Getting to be time for some Football?

S Clark · « **Reply #520 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 02:50 am »

I just read that RGIII's MRI shows tear of the ACL and LCL. Watching that knee collapse on replay, it's just what I expected. After 4 knee operations, that unhinging of the joint looked painfully familiar. He is hoping that surgery won't be needed- wishful thinking. He will need a full repair considering the stress that joint is going to see over his career.

medium jim · « **Reply #521 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 03:31 am »

Quote from: Rclark on 7 Jan 2013, 07:53 am

till next Sunday gents. Beating Arizona to a pulp was my super bowl, I'm good with whatever happens from here.

Don't you mean beating the 49ers...

Jim

Letitroll98 · « **Reply #522 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 06:40 am »

Quote from: Rclark on 7 Jan 2013, 05:03 am

Yeah... I don't know about that. It take more than a quarterback to lose a game. Did you actually watch it? The Seahawks owned that game, period.

The Redskins were simply outgunned in their own stadium.

The Seahawks came back from 0-14 and ended up winning by 10. Watch the full game, RGII's knee was not that much a factor, it's not like he was on crutches and last I checked he sits on the bench when the other team has the ball.

First of all, don't ask me if I saw the game. I've been watching football since Dick Butkus was in college and I know more about football in my little pinky than you ever will. Butkus is apropos because he filed suit against the NFL claiming the Bears made him stay on the field with a knee injury. Did you know that? I'll wager you have no idea what offensive run fits are being called, what the linebackers are keying on, how a cornerback controls a receiver, or anything else that happens on a football field except if your team scores. My GF does better. BTW, I picked the Seahawks to win the game and cover the spread, so I do know something.

You miss the fact that your team rides the pine when the other team is driving effectively with their offense. I never said the Seahawks are ineffective or weak, they took advantage of the other team not moving the ball and scored. RGIII could not run and he couldn't throw accurately short, or deliver a long ball at all, the Seattle D took advantage of that, as they should have, and shut them down. With all that they were a grand total of 7 points ahead halfway through the fourth quarter. Based on how the healthy RGIII performed, if he hadn't been hurt, he would have scored another 14 points, and in doing that deprived the Seahawks of at least one score. Now it's 28-14 in the Redskin's favor halfway through the fourth quarter. It didn't play out that way, the Seahawks won fair and square, but the only team that was owned was the Seahawks in the first quarter, they did okay the rest of the game against a wounded opponent.

Quote from: jackman on 8 Jan 2013, 01:16 am

I have no lroblem with the Skins starting RG but can't believe they kept him in after he injured or reinsured the knew during the first quarter. Prior to the injury the skins were moving the ball well and looking very good. Afterwards, it was obvious he could not throw or put much weight in the leg. It was sad to watch and I hope he recovers fully. If the doctor's account of the situation is accurate, the Skins should can Shannahan(assuming Daniel Schneider didn't give the orders to keep him in the game).

Funny, but I recall several of you guys criticizing Jay Cutler for pulling out of a playoff game a couple years ago when he sprained his knee. It looks like he made the right decision in light of the RG3 injury. People called him a wuss and accused him of giving up on the team. Knee injuries are brutal.

I agree j-man, starting was fine, but he should have been pulled by the coach. And I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking, I wanted him out right after he threw the interception and it was obvious he couldn't drive off of the leg. I was screaming at the TV (stupid, I know they can't hear me, the cat hid under the table). Funny I picked the Seahawks and should have been happy. That being said, I can't vilify Shanahan, the kid is his team captain, he has made the season successful for you, and he says he's hurt, not injured, he can play. I think it was a mistake, but a not unreasonable judgement call.

Cutler was a wuss then, I think he got scared of the moment and the pressure. He should have tried to stay on the field like RGIII. If Lovey pulled him out like Shanahan should have with RGIII, no one would have said a word about Cutler, the coach pulled him because of injury. That being said, I saw Cutler take a beating this year and hang in there every time. So he acted like a sissy at that time, but he's not a sissy, he's proven his toughness to me.

Rclark · « **Reply #523 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 06:45 am »

Quote from: medium jim on 8 Jan 2013, 03:31 am

Don't you mean beating the 49ers...

Jim

oh... them too

JLM · « **Reply #524 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 09:51 am »

The Tide crushed the Irish. Didn't I tell you that Norte Dame was a the prime 2012 example of polls gone awry?

See Replies #457 and 459.

jackman · « **Reply #525 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 10:47 am »

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Cutler was a wuss then, I think he got scared of the moment and the pressure. He should have tried to stay on the field like RGIII. If Lovey pulled him out like Shanahan should have with RGIII, no one would have said a word about Cutler, the coach pulled him because of injury. That being said, I saw Cutler take a beating this year and hang in there every time. So he acted like a sissy at that time, but he's not a sissy, he's proven his toughness to me.

Complete bullshit. Who are to to decide how injured a player is and who qualifies as a wuss? Cutler may irritate a lot of people but he is no wuss. He had a sprained knee and was unable to run of push off on the leg. Sound familiar? Plus the Bears have (or had at the time) no offensive line. Cutler is a Vandy grad and a pretty smart guy. He understands that his long term health is more important than proving his "toughness" to complete assholes who know nothing about toughness.

Lastly, keeping that kid in the game with one bad leg was criminal. It was obvious to everyone he couldn't throw or even put weight on the let. Everyone watching could see it. Starting him was understandable but leaving that talented young guy in the game with one leg is inexcusable. The fact that he didn't want to leave the game and claimed to be "okay" is of no consequence because it was obvious he could not run or throw.

I would like to know Shannahan's explanation as to why he disregarded the doctor's orders and put his player in a position to blow out his knee.

rodge827 · « **Reply #526 on:** 8 Jan 2013, 01:05 pm »

Congtats To Alabama For A Repeat BCS Title

Roll Tide Roll

jimdgoulding · « **Reply #527 on:** 10 Jan 2013, 03:47 am »

Who's picking who this weekend? Help a dude out. I'm clueless except I don't think Houston is in the mix next week. Jus don't have the confidence in Schaub and Foster can't win it by himself. I am interested to see how aggressive they will be on the other side of the ball, tho.

medium jim · « **Reply #528 on:** 10 Jan 2013, 03:53 am »

Quote from: medium jim on 7 Jan 2013, 01:14 am

Fearless Predictions:

Denver over the Ravens
Packers over the 49ers
Patriots over the Texans
Atlanta over the Seahawks

Jim

Here's mine....

Jim

Letitroll98 · « **Reply #529 on:** 10 Jan 2013, 05:17 am »

Quote from: jimdgoulding on 10 Jan 2013, 03:47 am

Who's picking who this weekend? Help a dude out. I'm clueless except I don't think Houston is in the mix next week. Jus don't have the confidence in Schaub and Foster can't win it by himself. I am interested to see how aggressive they will be on the other side of the ball, tho.

Okay, lets do the easy ones first, the AFC matchups.

Baltimore at Denver, the Raven's season is ending here. The line is about 9.5 points, the predictors agree, and Manning has a QBR of 105.8 against Flucko's 89.3. There's nothing in the Raven's defense that even looks like it might bother Payton. Denver will have trouble stopping Rice, but look for the Bronco's win to by at least 8, whether they will cover the 9.5 is the only question.

Houston at New England, who owned the Texans the last time they came to Foxborough 42-14 on Dec 10 and I don't see anything that's changed since then. Another 9.5 point spread with predictors agreeing for the most part. Another game where the only question is can NE cover the 9.5. I see NE by 8 as Houston will be more motivated for this game and Watt may give Brady more trouble this time, so I would lay off of this one as well.

Now for the fun ones, Green Bay at San Francisco with oddsmakers picking San Fran by 3 points. Predictors have it San Fran by 5 and 3. The last meeting was of course the 30-22 victory by the Niners on Sept 9 this year, with the Niner's holding GB to a measly 45 yds rushing, which was about the difference in the game. However GB hasn't run well all year and still managed 12-5 so far. Of course Rodgers outstrips Kaepernick with a stunning 107.8 to 98.3 QBR and 40 to 10 in touchdown passes. So it comes down to whether you pick teams or quarterbacks. Justin Smith is playing with one arm, which weakens the Frisco D-line significantly. Green Bay is a different team than we saw in week one, they go into Frisco and Rodgers shows Kaepernick what playoff quarterbacking is (not) all about. Green Bay ~~wins~~ loses by 6 in a(not) upset.

Seattle at Atlanta in the other best game of the weekend. Oddsmakers have it 2.5 points in the ATL's favor, but predictors have it 2 points Seattle's way. Atlanta squeaked by with a win last year in Seattle 30-28, before Russel Wilson came on the scene. The QB's have almost equal stats, but Wilson has the added benefit of the run option. Atlanta's comparative stats have been mediocre even in the Giant's blowout, their only signature game of late. They excel on keeping on schedule first and second down, sustaining drives and wearing down opponents. Seattle's vaunted D-line was handled in the run game in a victory last week, and of course the pass rusher Clemons is out. And you can't discount that Seattle makes two cross country round trips in a week. Atlanta could not be motivated more to show they can win a playoff game, and with the experienced QB I think they show up a young Seattle team that wasn't that good in a victory last week.

I just reread that and it's complete BS, of course SF and Seattle will win. GB's O-line will never hold up against the Niner's rush, and Wilson will easily run past ATL's defenders. Oh well, nevermind, I guess I'll go with my original picks, this why you shouldn't bet on pro football kids.

Edit 3:46pm EST 1/12/13: This is usually really stupid to do, but I'm changing the pick in the GB-SF game to San Fran giving the points. The reason is watching the replay on NFL Channel of the first game this year. And that I think Justin Smith will play effectively.

jackman · « **Reply #530 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 02:31 am »

Anyone see that Ravens/Broncos game? What a great win by the Ravens. Even though I am a fan of Manning and picked the Broncos to win, it was great to see that horse-toothed jackass Elway's team lose a game. That guy is so smug, I can't stand him. Exciting game to watch!

medium jim · « **Reply #531 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 02:35 am »

31 seconds to go and two timeouts and the Bronco's place patsy....they deserved to lose at that point....I Picked the Bronco's to win....the vaulted Bronco's secondary was MIA today....

The 49's are looking like they will take care of the Packers unless Rodgers can wake-up and fast!

Jim

jackman · « **Reply #532 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 03:12 am »

The Brincos' secondary had a bad game. If Flaco was a bit more accurate, he could have easily had two more touchdowns.

Regarding the Niners game, since when does a 3 point lead at halftime qualify as "taking care of"? This game looks pretty tight and the Niners benefitted from a Packer fumble that gave SF the ball in the redzone. Rodgers looks better after a rough start. The Pack needs to play some defense. The Niners are a good team but I wouldn't count the Packers out just yet. This could come down to a fieldgoal and both teams kickers have missed some big ones this year. That Kapernick kid is fun to watch. He's a very good athlete.

medium jim · « **Reply #533 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 04:15 am »

Simple rule of thumb, bet the exact opposite of what I do and you will be a rich person!

Jim

thunderbrick · « **Reply #534 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 04:39 am »

I thought the Broncos would beat my Ravens, but after a day-long workshop about 10 of us were hovered around a tiny laptop watching the overtime periods. Exciting!

Letitroll98 · « **Reply #535 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 08:10 am »

Yeah, a great game that fooled me and all of the experts. If you take out the two returns for TD's, the Broncos get beat easily, although I didn't want them taken out as it made for a great double overtime thriller. I understand Smith beating Bailey deep earlier in the game, a great play against single coverage, but how do the Bronco's let Jones beat them in double coverage at the end of regulation? The Broncos very poor play at times on offense and defense let the door open for the Ravens who played the game of their lives. All congrats to the Ravens, they deserved the win.

The Green Bay San Fran game was a very competitive game until the fourth quarter. But throughout the game it seemed the SF O and D lines were controlling the game. Rodger and his receiving core made some nice plays to keep it close, but they were always scrambling. It played out like the first game, only in reverse.

Rclark · « **Reply #536 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 09:04 pm »

Wooooooooooooooo!!! Wooooooooooooooooo!!

Fists are pumping here!

What a game!

Edit.. Oh you get time outs while tye ball is in the air. Robbed.

Oh well, magnificent season.

SlushPuppy · « **Reply #537 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 09:06 pm »

Quote from: Rclark on 13 Jan 2013, 09:04 pm

Wooooooooooooooo!!! Wooooooooooooooooo!!

Fists are pumping here!

What a game!

~~What a comeback!~~

Maybe next year.

JerryM · « **Reply #538 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 09:10 pm »

The Prevent Defense prevents a team from winning. When will NFL coaches ever learn???

medium jim · « **Reply #539 on:** 13 Jan 2013, 09:10 pm »

Gotta love football....love it! What a game....

Jim