BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMPLIFIER

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Shane D

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Re: BRYSTON BHA-1 HEADPHONE AMPLIFIER
« Reply #1380 on: 18 Dec 2023, 07:17 pm »

Thanks for the reply.

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« Reply #1381 on: 6 Jan 2024, 04:05 pm »
Has Mike Pickette answered the "blue cap in series" question??

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« Reply #1382 on: 12 Jan 2024, 04:41 pm »
Has Mike Pickette answered the "blue cap in series" question??

No he didn't and I completely forgot about it, such is life.  :?

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« Reply #1384 on: 27 Aug 2024, 07:33 pm »
I'm about to pick up a new BHA-1. I've read this thread over the years but can't recall seeing this question answered.

If I want to control volume from Roon and bypass the BHA-1 volume control, how do I do this?  Is it simply a matter of adjusting BHA-1 volume control to max? Do the gain switches still work normally if volume is bypassed? Any other potential issues?

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1385 on: 27 Aug 2024, 07:51 pm »
Hi Bill - not sure on that other than do not go to full volume - you go to Unity Gain which would be about 1 oclock.

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« Reply #1386 on: 28 Aug 2024, 07:55 pm »
Thanks James. When you say "about 1 oclock" is there any way to know when I'm at exactly unity gain?  Or is it just how you say, "about 1 oclock"?

I assume your not sure comment refers to the gain switches question. I'm guessing they will still work and the unity gain output level will correspond to the selected setting. Hopefully someone knows the answer but I guess I'll find out quick enough once I can try for myself.

I'm surprised there aren't more comments about bypassing BHA-1 volume and using something like Roon for volume control. Ignoring any possible differences between analog or digital (64 bit) volume control, it at least gives option for remote control.

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« Reply #1387 on: 28 Aug 2024, 09:26 pm »
You would need a scope to see exactly where the unity gain is but its very close to 1 o'clock.
I think if you need a bypass function the BHA-1 is probably the wrong choice for you.

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« Reply #1388 on: 28 Aug 2024, 09:47 pm »
Thanks again James.

That's disappointing to hear since I just placed my order. It never occurred to me that there would be no volume bypass. This would be enough for me to cancel my order  :cry:

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« Reply #1389 on: 28 Aug 2024, 11:15 pm »
Is there such a thing as a headphone amp with volume bypass to begin with? I'm not aware of any...

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« Reply #1390 on: 29 Aug 2024, 12:44 am »
I'm about to pick up a new BHA-1. I've read this thread over the years but can't recall seeing this question answered.

If I want to control volume from Roon and bypass the BHA-1 volume control, how do I do this?  Is it simply a matter of adjusting BHA-1 volume control to max? Do the gain switches still work normally if volume is bypassed? Any other potential issues?

Thanks in advance.

Bill

Bypassing the volume pot is as simple as maxing out on the knob. Potentiometers are essentially a fancy resistor divider that chops off how much signal gets fed into the amplifier circuitry. When the knob is maxed out, the signal does not go through the pot and is basically a short circuit into the amp circuit. There's an argument made that it is still passing through a contact point inside the pot, but that's an argument for another day.

All amp circuits multiply what is fed into them. This is the "gain". In the case of the BHA-1, it has two different gain settings (some BHA-1 are also modded to have lower gain settings compared to stock). Gain is either expressed in decibels or as a multiplier. I'll use multipliers here for the sake of simplicity.

"Unity gain" can be interpreted two ways. The first is when the amp multiplier is x1 (ie: the size of the voltage signal going in equals the size of the voltage signal going out), which makes it essentially a current buffer. Very very few amps ever have unity gain (or fractional gain for that matter, which reduces the output relative to the input). The second way you get "unity gain" is when you chop the input with the pot, by an amount that exactly cancels out the multiplier from the gain stage. So let's say your gain stage is x4, that means you need to use your pot to chop down your signal down to a quarter, so your resultant voltage swing coming out of the amp equals what was put in.

So now that all said, can you "bypass" the pot in the BHA-1? Yes, I've done it. In my case I was feeding my dac into an SPL Phonitor2 then into the BHA-1 with the knob turned all the way up. Because my preamp also has gain to it, it left me with very little room to move on the preamp before things became too loud too fast. Good digital attenuation can work, or if you have a dac who's output isn't too hot then you may be ok. Or get a modded BHA-1 with lower gain.

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« Reply #1391 on: 29 Aug 2024, 01:33 am »
Thanks @Armaegis. I appreciate the detailed reply. I do understand how the volume bypass/unity gain is SUPPOSED to work and you'll see in my original post that I assumed maxing out the volume control, just as you said, was the most likely way to do it. I don't know what to think after James' reply. No offense but for now I have to go with his reply re: max volume is not the way to bypass. I do prefer your answer though :D

@vlach my current Little Labs Monitor Headphone amp has two headphone outs with individual volume control for each. It has a little hole in the front panel beside each pot where you can insert a paper clip to push a button that actually will bypass the pot(s) completely. The idea is if you have a device with better quality volume control upstream then you can use that volume and bypass the potentially inferior pots in the Monotor. This is a $700 amp. That's the only amp I've personally had experience with. I have no doubt there are other amps as well.

My Bryston BDA 3.14 has option to bypass volume control in settings.  That's how I use it since I use the volume control in my Lumin U2 streamer. What if instead I used the 3.14 for volume control? I then connect my new BHA-1 to the 3.14. At this point I would have 2 volume pots in the path. Since BHA-1 has no bypass, I  have no choice but to bypass the possibly superior volume control on the 3.14, also now losing ability to use 3.14 remote volume control. This has eliminated any choice other than using BHA-1 vc. I can't imagine that would be Bryston's intention when using components from same manufacturer.

My dealer is trying to get more info. I'll unfortunately have to cancel my order if this is indeed the case. For those that may be wondering why I don't just use BHA-1 volume pot, I listen about 2 m from the equipment so that's a no go.


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« Reply #1392 on: 1 Sep 2024, 01:42 pm »
Thanks @Armaegis. I appreciate the detailed reply. I do understand how the volume bypass/unity gain is SUPPOSED to work and you'll see in my original post that I assumed maxing out the volume control, just as you said, was the most likely way to do it. I don't know what to think after James' reply. No offense but for now I have to go with his reply re: max volume is not the way to bypass. I do prefer your answer though :D

@vlach my current Little Labs Monitor Headphone amp has two headphone outs with individual volume control for each. It has a little hole in the front panel beside each pot where you can insert a paper clip to push a button that actually will bypass the pot(s) completely. The idea is if you have a device with better quality volume control upstream then you can use that volume and bypass the potentially inferior pots in the Monotor. This is a $700 amp. That's the only amp I've personally had experience with. I have no doubt there are other amps as well.

My Bryston BDA 3.14 has option to bypass volume control in settings.  That's how I use it since I use the volume control in my Lumin U2 streamer. What if instead I used the 3.14 for volume control? I then connect my new BHA-1 to the 3.14. At this point I would have 2 volume pots in the path. Since BHA-1 has no bypass, I  have no choice but to bypass the possibly superior volume control on the 3.14, also now losing ability to use 3.14 remote volume control. This has eliminated any choice other than using BHA-1 vc. I can't imagine that would be Bryston's intention when using components from same manufacturer.

My dealer is trying to get more info. I'll unfortunately have to cancel my order if this is indeed the case. For those that may be wondering why I don't just use BHA-1 volume pot, I listen about 2 m from the equipment so that's a no go.

I'm curious where you got the idea that the BHA-1 had a volume bypass. The BHA-1 is a pretty simple purpose built device (that sounds great with most any headphone).

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« Reply #1393 on: 1 Sep 2024, 06:58 pm »
I guess I got the idea from my current amp. I also think Burson Soloist 3X has volume bypass. They call it power-amp mode I think. There's others but can't think of any off the top of my head.

After replying to @Armaegis saying I understood how volume bypass and unity gain is supposed to work, I now realize I was using volume bypass and unity gain as same thing. Based on James' reply, it seems BHA-1 doesn't have true volume bypass but it does have unity gain using volume pot set to around 1 o'clock. That should work for me.

@Armaegis stated he simply turns volume to max when controlling volume outside the BHA-1. I assume that worked fine for him even though James said not to set volume to max. I wonder if the reason is since unity gain is at around 1 o'clock, anything above that is into amplification instead of attenuation. I'd be very interested in hearing how others are controlling volume external from BHA-1 (Roon, streamer, preamp, etc.).

I was looking at the BP-19 preamp as well. If I bought that and had it between BDA-3.14 and BHA-1 it looks like I would have same issue with wanting to avoid the BHA-1 volume control since I would want to use the superior volume control in the BP-19. I was thinking if Bryston somehow had a way of indicating where volume control unity gain setting is. James said a scope would probably be required to determine the exact position. I was wondering if it would be realistic for Bryston to measure during manufacture and provide the result with each unit. I've asked my dealer to see if this would be possible with my new order. I wouldn't think this should be a problem but we'll see. James, does that sound feasible, at least for my specific order?



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« Reply #1394 on: 2 Sep 2024, 12:49 pm »
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I was looking at the BP-19 preamp as well. If I bought that and had it between BDA-3.14 and BHA-1 it looks like I would have same issue with wanting to avoid the BHA-1 volume control since I would want to use the superior volume control in the BP-19. I was thinking if Bryston somehow had a way of indicating where volume control unity gain setting is. James said a scope would probably be required to determine the exact position. I was wondering if it would be realistic for Bryston to measure during manufacture and provide the result with each unit. I've asked my dealer to see if this would be possible with my new order. I wouldn't think this should be a problem but we'll see. James, does that sound feasible, at least for my specific order?

Hello Lasker - I have the BP-17^3 preamp and the BHA-1. I use a fixed output from the BP-17 cubed, bypassing that volume control, to drive the BHA-1 and use only the BHA-1 volume control, which is excellent. This also allows me to mute the main output/speakers from the preamp w/o manually turning off the main (triggered) amplifier. 

The BP-19 has an integrated very high quality high-drive-current headphone driver. If you want to control the headphone volume remotely, use the BP-19. 

(also, in the scenario you describe above, since the BHA-1 volume is not bypassed, finding exactly 1.000 gain is superfluous - anywhere close will work indistinguishably from anywhere else nearby on the volume control. 1 o'clock is fine.).

How do you plan to mute the main speakers?

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« Reply #1395 on: 2 Sep 2024, 05:52 pm »
Thanks for the reply clpetersen.

Interesting that you use BHA-1 volume control instead of BP-17 cubed. I'm probably being too anal about this but I've always believed best audio practice is for signal to go through only one amplifier stage.

As far as muting main speakers, I use 4B3 connected via balanced cables to BDA-3.14. With my current setup, I have to disconnect balanced at 4B3 and connect to balanced input of my Monotor headphone amp. Definitely a pita. It's the main reason I was thinking of BP-19.

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« Reply #1396 on: 2 Sep 2024, 06:16 pm »
It would be interesting to know the reason why James is advising against the use of full volume with the BHA-1. I occasionally use this method in combination with the digital volume control of my DAC to get a more pure/cleaner (but slightly leaner) presentation, this essentially removes the BHA-1's volume pot from the signal path. I've never experienced any problem with the BHA-1 at full volume, i suggest you at least try this method before eliminating the BHA-1 as an headphone amplifier option.

Edit: I no longer have the BDA-1 shown in my avatar.

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« Reply #1397 on: 2 Sep 2024, 06:41 pm »
Thanks vlach. I'm also interested in hearing James' reasoning for his advice.

I did decide to go ahead with the BHA-1. I confirmed the order with my dealer last Friday (Aug 30). I figured if the BHA-1 has been so well regarded for over 10 years, my concern must not be that big a deal.

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« Reply #1398 on: 2 Sep 2024, 06:45 pm »
Let us know how things work out using the BDA-3.14's volume control.
« Last Edit: 2 Sep 2024, 08:09 pm by vlach »

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« Reply #1399 on: 2 Sep 2024, 10:15 pm »

Interesting that you use BHA-1 volume control instead of BP-17 cubed. I'm probably being too anal about this but I've always believed best audio practice is for signal to go through only one amplifier stage.

As far as muting main speakers, I use 4B3 connected via balanced cables to BDA-3.14. With my current setup, I have to disconnect balanced at 4B3 and connect to balanced input of my Monotor headphone amp. Definitely a pita. It's the main reason I was thinking of BP-19.

Good thing this is AudioCircle, because I think we might be in a bit of a circle here :)

So: The BP-17 fixed output completely bypasses the BP-17 internal circuity, except for the input selection switches (phono, DAC, etc.). I use the (fixed) balanced outs into the
balanced inputs of the BHA-1. Mute the mainspeakers from the BP-17 front panel button, and use the volume control from the BHA-1.  So, only one amplifier and volume control in the headphone circuit.  This all works quite well excepting there is no remote volume control on the BHA-1.