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I never heard of wet playing a record until reading this thread.
See this link to the Van Den Hul website. Wet replay and the corrosion problems associated with it are discussed. A.J. Van Den Hul's take on this practice is not to start in the first place.Scotty
HI.I think you still don't get the messsage from my previous posts to you.Say, supposing you walked into a TV store one day & asked advice from the sales guy about repairing yr old TV. I think he would tell you to dump the old TV & to buy a new one from the TV store. Why? He wanted to sell you a TV to make a profit. There is a clear money interest in that sales guy. It is up to the consumer to size up the situation to buy one or to fix the old one.A manufacturer gets the liability ot warrant its products, which are phono cartridges in this case. If I were it, you think I would tell the consumers to wet play their cartridges, risking free repair or even replacement under warranty? Even if the cartridges are supposedly built to withstand moisture/wetness which is always there even for dry plays, the manufacturer will always play safe to get out of undue troubles.Now my cheapie no-name MM cartridge can play wet for years even on heavily pre-used recyled vinyls which I picked from thrift stores. So far not there is no sign of physical damage & it sounds not worse if not better. So why a high-end expensive brandname phono cartrdige can't do the same like my cheapie cartridge if not better ??????Beware of sales pitches, my dear consumers.c-J
A superior (and expensive) cartridge should be able to withstand 100% humidity,and that would also include wet playback,at least in my thinking.
Marc, I think a key thing to remember is that cheap-jack is not pursuing vinyl replay from a "High End" perspective. If his cantilever ever breaks he can replace the entire phono cartridge for little more than $30. This obviously not the same consequence that some who has a $5,495 Shelter Harmony Carbon Fiber phono cartridge risks if they play wet. Thats a $3,710 for an exchange/retip.cheap-jacks criteria for what constitutes an acceptable risk to his phono cartridge and records are quite different from someone who has sunk thousands of dollars into High Fidelity vinyl replay. Scotty
The information I posted came from the Handbook for Sound Engineershttp://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Sound-Engineers-Fourth-Ballou/dp/0240809696/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321492338&sr=1-1-spellThe chapter on Disk Recording and Playback was written by George Alexandrovich I apologize for not providing more background on the information I posted earlier. As far as the cheap-jacks treatment is concerned, HE was not attacked. An attempt was made to present evidence that wet playback had been thoroughly evaluated in the past and it was discovered that accelerated record wear occurred as a result. A.J. van den Hul disagrees with you. Scotty
Sorry Scotty, "attacked" was a bit strong.
Forget about the potential record wear when playing wet. What about the damage to your stylus when the liquid finds its way up the cantilever? Isn't that the chief complaint from cartridge makers about wet "washing" your stylus using Last stylus cleaner or somethign similar? If that little bit of moisture causes them concern then I can't imagine what a wet splashy record does to them.
If your cantilever is aluminum, and tubular in shape, it carries residual stress. All tubes do. The outer part is stretched, the innner part is compressed.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_corrosion_crackingI ain't sellin nothin...........just the facts.
HI. Wayner.No, I can see it not Scotty's intention to attack me.He poured out all those so called "evidence" to me simply because, IMO, he believes in what he read bad about wet play WITHOUT screening, digesting & vertifying such negative allegation like I have done.I read enough bad things about wet play like every vinyl fan here, but the difference is I wanted to try it to prove or disprove such claim given, Scotty is correct, the MM cartridge I am using is cheapie enough to be replaced without pain & the burning issue of killing those click & pop tracking noises which I had to resolve.Unexpectedly, the WET play I experimented & have been using since day one for years is a total success - killing the tracking prick & pop & making the music sound much more fluid, silky & warm vs dry play with a cheapie no-name cartridge only.It has also disproved ALL those negative claims on wet play, IMO.Let's take a close look at the paper posed by Scotty. This HISTORIC paper was written about half century back when phono cartridges were made so much inferior in quality to those made today.I would consider whatever stated therein is no longer valid considering today's phono cartridges are built of much higher performance, e.g. moisture & wetness resistance. Otherwise, how can my cheapie cartridge have survived tracking in water day in day out for years ???? Not to mention ahout those very high-end brandname cartridges built of 24 Carat gold coils etc etc.
What about the damage to your stylus when the liquid finds its way up the cantilever? Isn't that the chief complaint from cartridge makers about wet "washing" your stylus using Last stylus cleaner or somethign similar?
the WET play I experimented & have been using since day one for years is a total success - killing the tracking prick & pop & making the music sound much more fluid, silky & warm vs dry play with a cheapie no-name cartridge only.
Since the stylus/cantilever are vibrating like a mad-man (or like a dog shaking off water), I don't think water has any time to wick up.
(1) Since the stylus/cantilever are vibrating like a mad-man (or like a dog shaking off water), I don't think water has any time to wick up.(2) I also assume that there is a towel near-by to clean and dry the record after each play.Wayner
On the other hand, how long will a cartridge last anyway?
