GR Research Criterion and Onix Reference 1 comparisons

Kishore · « **Reply #40 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 03:52 am »

Quote from: Sa-dono

His review has already been dissected. I can't say it really matters.

I'm feelin lazy now

...Can anyone point me to that review ? I guessed I missed it earlier and just curious to see the set-up and the comparisons done.

Cheers,
Kishore

BikeWNC · « **Reply #41 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 04:33 am »

Here is a graph of the in room response curve of the Criterions taken by my Tact RCS. The speakers were fairly close to the wall behind them in this measurement thus the large bass boost. Of course the Tact RCS corrected for the excess. I've added a flat response curve from 20 to 20K as a reference.

Andy

Mad DOg · « **Reply #42 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 07:00 am »

Danny,

I hope I get another opportunity to audition your speakers then. I love having Sa-dono and John Casler over as they are regulars at sessions hosted at my place. Cryotweaks is a newcomer and I certainly do enjoy his company! Great guys all around so that'll give us an excuse to hang out some more! Maybe Shokunin will be able to attend the next time as well.

doug s. · « **Reply #43 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 12:08 pm »

danny,

iirc, i was the 1st one to point out a lack of treble detail in my review. i was definitely the odd-man-out, at that time!

i dint make *too* much of it, tho, cuz i still really liked them. i did mention the dip i got at the x-over w/my spectrum analyzer, tho, and wondered if there mite be some elec'l anomaly... also, tho the upper bass was a bit recessed, i actually noticed an *increase* in the detail in this & the lower midrange area, which i attributed to the smaller iteration of the same eton in my merets. (my merets, btw, do also show a dip in the x-over region on my spectrum analyzer, yust not as steep as w/the criterions i demo'd).

anyway, i'd really like to find out about the x-over issue - if i could get the same treble detail as i'm getting now, the diluceo's seem like they would be a great choice - i'm sure two of the smaller midwoofers would give me as much mid-bass as the one larger midwoofer my present speakers have. and, they'd likely still have more lower treble/midbass detail.

doug s.

ps - post pics of dodd's reference pre on that other thread, will ya?

Danny Richie · « **Reply #44 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 04:30 pm »

I owe some of you a new demo.

I might even try to get a pair of Diluceo's out to you West coast guys.

Doug, I am sure you will love the Diluceo's.

What finish would you like? I'll send you a pair that looks the way you would want them to if you were ordering them for yourself.

They way if you did decide you wanted to keep them you could. I'll give you a good deal on keeping them plus I'll cover the shipping, just to help make it up to you for getting a pair of Criterion's with a problem.

If you don't want to keep them I know of a bunch more people in your area that would love to demo them.

Tsunami, for an in room response that looks pretty good. The room gain in the lows are expected and the highs are smooth as anyone could ask for.

You had the Cherry pair did you not?

Kishore, Some of the information you asked for can be found here:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=3173

Posted by outlawrocketman.

BikeWNC · « **Reply #45 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 06:12 pm »

Danny,

I did have the cherry pair. I posted the curves to show that I did not experience any issues at the 3.4k crossover point. Only having the Criterions for a short demo period, I did not spend much time trying to optimize their location in the room. I let the Tact take care of the correction there. I mainly wanted to make sure that there were no major nulls in the response at the listening position. I too was very satisfied with the frequency response above 1k Hz prior to any correction being applied.

Andy

jackman · « **Reply #46 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 06:30 pm »

I would like to compliment everyone on how professionally they handled this review and the issues that ensued. It's really great to see people working together to provide other people with accurate representations of a product's performance. In this case, a potential QC or packaging issue may have been uncovered. IMO, seeing everyone work together to make sure the evaluation is credible or representative is much more encouraging than another speaker review. We have had some bad blood on this site recently and when I saw this thread, I was expecting it to turn into a pissing match of some sort. That was not the case in any way! Everyone handled things so well, it made me proud to call this one of my favorite non-porno (just kidding

) sites. I have even more respect for everyone involved in the review (Sando, Maddog, John, etc.) and for Danny for handling the negative feedback with class.

Unlike threads on AVSforum.com, which tend to get confrontational and argumentative, everyone kept their cool and, I feel, presented a very accurate and credible account of their actual experience with the products. Hopefully, some of the trolls on avsforum and other places will check this thread out and see that this type of thing is much more fun than bickering...spoken from experience.

Ex-bickerer! Jman

Mad DOg · « **Reply #47 on:** 15 Jul 2003, 07:44 pm »

Quote from: jackman

Hopefully, some of the trolls on avsforum and other places will check this thread out...

NO! I like this place just the way it is now! let's not attract the trolls to this site, please.

Thanks for the compliments, Jman...John, Sa-dono and I really do try our best to share our opinions in the most objective way we know how to. This is the first time that Cryotweaks has attended a listening session at my place, and I'll say that he is an honest, objective kinda guy as well.

doug s. · « **Reply #48 on:** 16 Jul 2003, 04:12 am »

hi danny,

thanks for being such a sport, i'd certainly love to audition a pair of diluceo's!

i know of at least three friends who would be interested in hearing them as well, and perhaps others in the frederick, md area may wanna have a listen. i will contact ya off-list, to make arrangements.

regards,

doug s.

Mad DOg · « **Reply #49 on:** 26 Jul 2003, 11:45 pm »

I just wanted to update this thread...

Danny PM'd me confirming that the Crits were indeed damaged and his impression after hearing them was very similar to mine - dark and lifeless.

Both speakers were down about 5dBs at 3kHz and one was down nearly 5dBs in the highs. Apparently one ribbon was stretched out which was likely caused by the vacuum suction generated when the speaker was removed from the plastic bag. Anyhow, I do look forward to auditioning an undamaged pair of Danny's speakers in the future.

HChi · « **Reply #50 on:** 27 Jul 2003, 03:30 am »

Doug s,
If there is a pair of Diluceo coming to MD, could I come?! I would love to hear it. I can bring my Quad 12L and IRD Purist LLC if anyone is interested in auditioning them too.

Thanks,
-Howard

doug s. · « **Reply #51 on:** 27 Jul 2003, 02:57 pm »

hi howard (and all),

i will post when the diluceo's show up... perhaps, if danny is kind enuff to allow a longer audition time, i can accommodate more folks wanting to hear them.

of course, if they're as good as danny sez, & i end up buying 'em, i will have them for a while...

yure more than welcome to bring gear, but hooking up a pre may be time-consuming - tight access. re: speakers, it's always enjoyable for me to audition different speakers in my rig - w/a pair of larger vmps subs, & an extremely flexible marchand x-over, i've never had a speaker that i couldn't effectively integrate. i will also likely have a pair of swan m1.2's on hand. these li'l buggers are the model up from the m1.0's that the psychic animal has raved so much about here on these forums. the 1.2's will be stock - psychic's 1.0's have been gone thru by dan wright. but, at 90db/1w, vs the 1.0's 85db/1w, they should still be worth a listen. and, of course, my present speakers, the meret re's, will be on hand...

regards,

doug s.

nature boy · « **Reply #52 on:** 27 Jul 2003, 03:15 pm »

Doug,

My DNA modified ART SLA-1 should be delivered next week along with Wayne's MENSA ART DI/O (DAC) audition pack and a Chris Own dAck (DAC) closely on its heels. I wonder how the ART x 2 combination would sound with the Diluceo's?

Let me know by PM if you are interested in figuring out a way to hook up for some listening. A few other MD-DE-PA(Philly) circle members have expressed interest in hearing the ART x 2 combination.

I have some vacation time schedule in August with plans for extensive listening. Not sure how the DNA ART SLA-1 amp will drive my full range Vandersteen 2ce signatures -may be great, but also may work better with a monitor like the Diluceo's, Dave Ellis 1801's, VMPS 626's or Onix Ref. 1's. Anyone within driving distance of Wilmington, DE who might be interested in hearing the the DNA ART SLA-1's please drop me a PM. So far jeffjazz and Jack Straw have expressed some interest.

NB

HChi · « **Reply #53 on:** 28 Jul 2003, 04:03 pm »

Doug,
If it is too much to setup the preamp, we can just shoot out speakers. I also have a pair of HGA Silver Lace Speaker Cable that I can bring over. I wonder whethere any of your freinds has a pair Ellis 1801, B&W S805, and/or Harbeth Super HL5. These are other candidates I have in mind. Thanks and I will keep an eye out on your post of Diluceo's arrival.

-Howrd

doug s. · « **Reply #54 on:** 28 Jul 2003, 04:46 pm »

howard,

yure more than welcome to bring the pre - i yust don't know if it will get inserted or not. if it's yust yerself present, we may be able to do it. and, i'm not aware of anyone in my area w/the other speakers yure considering... i'd certainly be interested in the hga wire...

doug s.