New car opinions

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doug s.

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Re: New car opinions
« Reply #280 on: 23 Oct 2008, 02:25 am »
...But, if you look at the vehicles now out in the US, they are top-notch in quality - the equal of any in the market for similar money....
uh...  i guess reasonable persons can disagree on this point.  i'd take a nissan, toyota, mitsubishi or honda over a gm product any day.  even today.   :wink:

doug s., behold!, you can now buy a GM car.  I'm sure there's rank and file at GM making $70K...or only about 20x less than the CEO of the $200 billion parent  :wink:

John
uh...  sorry john, check your math - you're off by a factor of 10 - 70k x 20 = 1.4 million.  70k x 200 = 14 million, a bit closer to what i was talking about...   rick wagoner's real salary for 2007, not yust his "base" pay, was almost 16 million dollars.   :o  but, average pay for the head of the companies in the standard & poor's 500 index is *only* about 8.5 million dollars, so maybe my "200 times" figure is a bit high in many cases...   :roll:

http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/06/ceos_pay_chugged_higher_in_07.html

doug s.

TheChairGuy

Re: New car opinions
« Reply #281 on: 23 Oct 2008, 03:00 am »
Not that I don't see that the public company CEO's of the past 20 years in the US are not making far more in excess of their worth...but according to Forbes, Rick Wagoner is making far less than adverted in the link you gave.

Let's not have a pity party for Rick...he still made $25 million the past 5 years.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/12/lead_bestbosses08_G-Richard-Wagoner-Jr_SOX2.html

Here's the whole sorry list: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/12/lead_bestbosses08_CEO-Compensation_Rank.html

You will be remarkably surprised if you sit in a newer GM-developed vehicle (and then compare the sticker price to other makes).  It is a most pleasant surprise you will find  :)

btw, unless you count the SAAB I know own for 10 years as a GM division (I think it was only partly owned at the time I bought the care by GM), then I've never owned a GM vehicle in my life.  Really, there are sizable changes afoot there at GM (Consumer Reports thru Automobile magazine have noticed)  :thumb:

As for rediculous CEO pay...if any of you own shares or mutual funds that invest in public companies, you are partly to blame for allowing it to go on for decades now.  I routinely vote 'no' for aggressive compensation plans at the securities I own.  You will find activist mutual fund companies like Oakmark to labor aggressively against overly aggressive pay packages.

They realize that a few tens of millions given to a (publicly owned) CEO is that much less value the shares are worth.  We all share in the responsibility of having this happen.

Private companies are penalized for overpayment of their CEO....they go out of business or the partners make less.  You are no less a partner if you own shares in any publicly traded company.  Vote with your mouth, pens and feet and take it no longer.

John, aka Che Guevera (ha)
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jimdgoulding

Re: New car opinions
« Reply #282 on: 23 Oct 2008, 03:22 am »
I think the Silverado truck is wonderful.  Bought a 1500 for my daughter for HS graduation.  Got about 150k miles and all we've ever done is oil and tire changes and brake pads.  That's what she's tradin in on a Vue.  Think you can call that pretty reliable.  Toyota went after the full size truck market with the Tundra.  Hired a turkey with a Texas accident to do the voice over in their TV ads.  I guess a Japanese voice wouldn't reach those good ole boys.  How stupid are we?  Don't think anybody knows yet.  Can't believe their execs approved those TV ads with all the bridges going up and down and giant hammers swinging back and forth.  Dumb.  They recently shut down production at a plant built for this vehicle near San Antonio.  I may get a 1500.  My favorite import car from my youth is the Morris Minor.  Had two of em.  What cool imports had you owned that you miss?  I see an Alfa in here.

ooheadsoo

Re: New car opinions
« Reply #283 on: 23 Oct 2008, 07:05 am »
Jim, those were american jobs lost all the same.   :?

jimdgoulding

Re: New car opinions
« Reply #284 on: 23 Oct 2008, 12:17 pm »
I know that, brother.  We're in a bad place.  I got a brokerage account and an Roth IRA to prove it.  But I am more secure that a lot of folks.  It's those folks I'm concerned about.