pop/click eliminator

rcag_ils · « **on:** 18 Sep 2011, 07:54 pm »

I remember back in the vinyl days, there were companies that made all sort of pop and click eliminater, how well did they work, anybody tried it or still have and using it?

charles28722 · « **Reply #1 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 08:08 pm »

Oops... Wrong number. I thought this thread was going to provide some means of getting rid of Lady Gaga, Britney Spears and Katy Perry. Sorry.

rcag_ils · « **Reply #2 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 08:18 pm »

pop has changed it's quality over the years. Back in the vinyl days, songs like "afternoon delight" "chevy van" "convoy" etc... were pop, and very enjoyable to listen to. Now pop is all bullshit.

Phil A · « **Reply #3 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 08:47 pm »

Many moons ago when I had vinyl I had a Burwen TNE (Transient Noise Eliminator) 7000A. Worked very well as long as one did not go overboard on the settings (which would cut out music too).

Phil A · « **Reply #4 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 08:48 pm »

Here's a demo of what it does - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCUzkVk1Z0

neobop · « **Reply #5 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 08:54 pm »

There were two machines that were common. One was made by SAE and the other was the Burwen 7000. The Burwen was the preferred machine, and apparently worked pretty good. They said it had to be re-set for every LP. I only saw one or two, never used it. Apparently they worked by sensing the transients, so I guess it would be possible to eliminate a rim shot along with a click or pop. I think they hooked up in a tape loop, but it was a long time ago. I can't imagine putting one between the table and preamp. IMO a good record cleaning system is more effective and won't degrade the signal. If you have an old noisy record that is irreplaceable, maybe it would be worthwhile.
neo

rcag_ils · « **Reply #6 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 09:30 pm »

I have some beat up records that are clean but noisy, just try to find a way to restore the sound.....my preamp doesn't have a tape loop, I don't think, it'll accept tape player, for recording and playback, but is not like the tape loop in the receivers.

BobM · « **Reply #7 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 09:58 pm »

the best pop-click eliminator is a good cleaning machine.

HalSF · « **Reply #8 on:** 18 Sep 2011, 10:59 pm »

Yes indeed, for listening in real time there’s nothing practical besides new vinyl that’s kept clean, or old vinyl cleaned up. A good turntable and cartridge set up properly is going to keep the musical information front and center, and the noise floor low. With very quiet classical music or acoustic jazz, especially solo piano stuff, noisy vinyl can be hard to listen to.

I like cleaning up old used vinyl with the Nitty Gritty rig and getting pretty sweet sound. Sometimes it’s wonderful how a beat-up looking record can deliver minimal pops and clicks.

Sometimes the only way to redeem vinyl is to record it to a digital file and process it. My app of choice for doing this is the brilliant ClickRepair. Most recently I ripped a copy of a beloved but fairly trashed-sounding copy of Van Morrison’s great St. Dominic’s Preview that I didn’t listen to much due to the egregious noise. Post ClickRepair, I’ve got a clean, pristine, lossless digital version that I’m listening to with great pleasure.

timind · « **Reply #9 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 01:23 am »

Quote from: rcag_ils on 18 Sep 2011, 08:18 pm

pop has changed it's quality over the years. Back in the vinyl days, songs like "afternoon delight" "chevy van" "convoy" etc... were pop, and very enjoyable to listen to. Now pop is all bullshit.

Maybe it's my age, but those were sh*t back then also.

JohnR · « **Reply #10 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 03:43 pm »

Quote from: timind on 19 Sep 2011, 01:23 am

Maybe it's my age, but those were sh*t back then also.

Phil A · « **Reply #11 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 03:58 pm »

Quote from: rcag_ils on 18 Sep 2011, 09:30 pm

I have some beat up records that are clean but noisy, just try to find a way to restore the sound.....my preamp doesn't have a tape loop, I don't think, it'll accept tape player, for recording and playback, but is not like the tape loop in the receivers.

Back in the old days when I used such a device it was common to see preamps with external processor loops. In those days it was OK for an audiophile to take a pure analog input and take it to the massage parlor

Minn Mark · « **Reply #12 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 05:59 pm »

Awhile back I bought a SAE 5000 Impulse Niose Reducer from the 'Bay. I use it for older LPs that I abused as a teen, and for the 78s that I have. I does work, and has an "Invert" function that lets you hear the clicks, pops, etc that it is detecting. Is it 'da bomb', no, but I do use it and find it helpfule to make these less than pristine recoridsings more listenable. It cost me $60, so for my $$ it was worth a try. All the units like on eBay that are priced rationally seem to sell like hotcakes. DBX, Burwen and a couple others made units like this back in the day. Might also try a graphic or parametric EQ to minimize these spurious noises.

Mark

rcag_ils · « **Reply #13 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 07:15 pm »

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Awhile back I bought a SAE 5000 Impulse Niose Reducer from the 'Bay. I use it for older LPs that I abused as a teen, and for the 78s that I have. I does work, and has an "Invert" function that lets you hear the clicks, pops, etc that it is detecting. Is it 'da bomb', no, but I do use it and find it helpfule to make these less than pristine recoridsings more listenable. It cost me $60, so for my $$ it was worth a try. All the units like on eBay that are priced rationally seem to sell like hotcakes. DBX, Burwen and a couple others made units like this back in the day. Might also try a graphic or parametric EQ to minimize these spurious noises.

How do you hook it up to your preamp? I believe we have the same type of preamp.

Minn Mark · « **Reply #14 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 08:10 pm »

Ive got an Insight EC, so I use it through the EPL. This type of defeatable device, one could use it between the pre-amp and amp, and it would work just fine. It has IN/OUT which can be used via the tape loop IN/OUTs.
The SAE 5000 has no power switch, so I plug it into a switched outlet on the pre-amp.

M

rcag_ils · « **Reply #15 on:** 19 Sep 2011, 09:55 pm »

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one could use it between the pre-amp and amp

Does the unit has a bypass switch to take itself out of circuit when you are not listening to scratched LPs?

Minn Mark · « **Reply #16 on:** 20 Sep 2011, 12:18 pm »

The SAE 5000 does have a bypass.

Minn Mark · « **Reply #17 on:** 21 Sep 2011, 05:06 pm »

rcag,

there's one (SAE 5000) for sale on www.audiogon.com right now. $ 100 or best offer.

mark

simoon · « **Reply #18 on:** 21 Sep 2011, 06:33 pm »

I was a lukewarm fan of these devices.

They were effective at removing clicks and pops, the Burwen being the better of the two, but you could hear them working, or maybe it was just an artifact of having one more electronic device in the chain. There is no free lunch.

There's a Burwen on eBay for $300 'buy it now' price in Orange County Ca, my neck of the woods.

Tone Depth · « **Reply #19 on:** 21 Sep 2011, 06:44 pm »

I have a Burwen DNF 1201 Dynamic Noise Filter that I bought used in 1977. I still engage it occasionally to clean up noisy FM broadcasts, but not phono as my TT isn't hooked up right now.

Quote from: rcag_ils on 18 Sep 2011, 07:54 pm

I remember back in the vinyl days, there were companies that made all sort of pop and click eliminater, how well did they work, anybody tried it or still have and using it?