Honest question - LS6 vs Deftech ST's

ebag4 · « **Reply #20 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 10:04 pm »

Quote from: PDR on 11 Sep 2011, 09:37 pm

Guess it would take
someone thats lived with the Ls and Vs to chime in......anyone?

Hey Perry, we certainly know what Danny listens to!

Best,
Ed

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #21 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 11:17 pm »

Yes the LS6 at the GTG in San Jose sounded great and replaced a top line Deftech speaker rig. I just don't remember which ones.

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #22 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 11:53 pm »

Quote from: PDR on 11 Sep 2011, 09:37 pm

No, not interested in selling my arrays.....
They do somethings better than any speakers I've heard, but the Vs just knock the socks off of about anything. The "L" I have never heard, but have read enough to know theyre outstanding. Guess it would take
someone thats lived with the Ls and Vs to chime in......anyone?

On a side note Bob Carver has just developed a new line array....its a whole different animal.

Danny gave the LS series the nod in one of his posts. They are both great however they are both radically different designs. This would be more of the comparison that you should be making. The Super V versus the LS Series. If you can find that post it would give you a great insight into the LS series. Go read the reveiws on the LS6.

NoOne · « **Reply #23 on:** 11 Sep 2011, 11:54 pm »

Quote from: Cheeseboy on 11 Sep 2011, 11:17 pm

Yes the LS6 at the GTG in San Jose sounded great and replaced a top line Deftech speaker rig. I just don't remember which ones.

If they were top lines they were BP7000's or the new ST's.

I have 7002's, a step below the 7000's. 4.5" drivers vs 5.25 and a 100 watt shy on the sub.

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #24 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 06:48 pm »

NoOne,

I'm not sure whether I heard the 7002 or the 7000. They are good speakers.

The LS6's are a more dynamic speaker. They will simply put sound better. The soundstage is huge. You will most likely not need a sub with them. I have heard them in several different rooms. You must have at least 12 ft from your ear to the speaker for them to be up to thier best.

I recently added a pair of Ls6 to my living room. They are the best speakers I have ever owned by a longshot.

I have owned many speakers. None of them have ever given my wife goosebumps like the LS6's do. She was with me when we auditioned the Def Techs listed above. The first music that we heard in our living room on the LS6's was by Andre Bochelli - The Prayer.

Goosebumps!

kingdeezie · « **Reply #25 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 07:11 pm »

Quote from: Cheeseboy on 12 Sep 2011, 06:48 pm

NoOne,

I'm not sure whether I heard the 7002 or the 7000. They are good speakers.

The LS6's are a more dynamic speaker. They will simply put sound better. The soundstage is huge. You will most likely not need a sub with them. I have heard them in several different rooms. You must have at least 12 ft from your ear to the speaker for them to be up to thier best.

I recently added a pair of Ls6 to my living room. They are the best speakers I have ever owned by a longshot.

I have owned many speakers. None of them have ever given my wife goosebumps like the LS6's do. She was with me when we auditioned the Def Techs listed above. The first music that we heard in our living room on the LS6's was by Andre Bochelli - The Prayer.

Goosebumps!

Agree with everything you said here except for the distance to the speaker.

I am sitting pretty close, maybe 5 or 6 feet, and they sound pretty damn good. 12 feet might be better, but that is unrealistic for most people. I wouldn't let a distance less discourage purchase.

They need 3 or 4 feet from the back wall, plus their 2 foot depth, would mean at your recommendation you would need at least 17 feet, plus distance away from the wall behind you, etc, etc, etc. That would mean a room that is at least 20 feet deep, not rare, but probably not very common for a listening room, at least in my case.

You can get away with less, and still get great sound.

nickd · « **Reply #26 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 08:43 pm »

LS series can sound good at 5-6 feet from the speaker but there is a lot of time distortion if you sit that close. I think the formula is seating distance + 1.5 to 2+ times baffle height of LS designs if I remember correctly.

Worth all the trouble though. I had a nice pair of Epiphany 20/21's and they were quite the imaging champs too. The LS9 is cleaner in the mids and kills them in the bass. "Pips" get the nod way up top. The Neo3 rocks on the highs.

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #27 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 09:20 pm »

King,

I was going to go into all the other rooms I've heard the LS6's and the distances in those rooms. Away from the wall the shortest I heard to the listener was about 7 ft. They still kicked major butt. I appreciate you speaking up on this. I'll say it again with enthusiasm. They kicked major butt over anything I have every owned even at 7 ft. I am very lucky to have a good sized room.

Everything from Herbie Hancock to Stevie Ray Vaughn to Deep Purple to Andre Bochelli present themselves in a manner that is just incredible. They have a sweetspot the size of a 747. One guy indicated a "Bowling Alley size soundstage". I get that now.

Google the reveiws. Find the thread where Danny compares them to his V1's. It is a good read.

Nick, I have a good buddy with LS9 in the perfect home theater set up and I understand what you are saying about he 9's.
If my musical enjoyment slows down I'll upgrade. For now I'm a very happy camper.

Goosebumps to you!

nickd · « **Reply #28 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 10:55 pm »

I haven't compared the LS6 vs the LS9, it may just be a "more is better" thing with the 9's. If the LS6 is a better fit in the room (or budget) they are both cut from the same cloth so to speak

I have lived with the LS9 and now have the Super V installed. My system is quite high end and my 21d x 14'6"w x 9'h room is treated sounding good. That said, the LS9 was still a little big for my room. The sound however was mind blowing, best I've ever had.

I decided to move to the Super V for tuneability, reasonable size and the ability to play with other types of amps (SET's and the like). The Super V is most likely the last speaker I will own for the next few years. I am smitten

. The bass is deeper than the LS9 and hits just as hard. Voices are so realistic (size and tonality) that you need to look no further there. Adjustability of the sub bass on the V is a huge plus too. The big 2" tweeter will make you think the "high hat" is in the room with you I'm not kidding.

The only place the big LS and the Ephipany speakers can beat the Super V is massed strings, chorale voices and room ambience. The Neos (with sonicaps & JPS wire) are the best I have heard at that. The Neo3's in the Ephipany 20/21's are the best I have ever heard way up top. You can pick out every single voice in a 100 voice chorale in its own space. Shocked many of friend with that trick.

All in all, both are an amazing value, and the differences are smaller than you might imagine. The 9's are a tough DIY build (and crushed a few small companies that have tried) but they reward your effort. The Super V is just top on my "fun factor" list. However, you still need 3' behind them.

I have sold 3 great loudspeaker systems because they were too big for my room. Wiser now

S Clark · « **Reply #29 on:** 12 Sep 2011, 11:52 pm »

The "more is better" comment on the 6's versus the 9's is right on. The 6's do every thing the 9's do, but the 9's do it just a bit better. Danny and I did a not so quick A/B, switching the 6 and 9's out at his place a few years back. Nickd is also dead on about the 9's being best on massed string, and room ambience- creating the symphony hall unlike any speaker I've heard. With symphonic music, the 9's stand out. On piano, I think they do everything but the bottom octave better than the V's, but the servo's win out at the very bottom. Voices, well we don't agree. Oh, well 4 out of 5 is about as much agreement as you'll ever see around here

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Oh, yeah, the LS's are definitely a tough build. Make that 5 out of 6 agreements.
Scott

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #30 on:** 13 Sep 2011, 03:11 pm »

I really need to get out an hear a pair of Super V's.

LarryB · « **Reply #31 on:** 13 Sep 2011, 05:22 pm »

Quote from: Cheeseboy on 13 Sep 2011, 03:11 pm

I really need to get out an hear a pair of Super V's.

You can do so at RMAF which is, IMO, the best audio show in the U.S.

Larry

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #32 on:** 29 Sep 2011, 03:33 pm »

RMAF is truly a showcase to attend.

I've got some things on my shopping list that will be introduced there.

Beatcoaster · « **Reply #33 on:** 5 Oct 2011, 02:58 pm »

One comment on room size - My 6's are crammed in a 13x15' room right now and they still sound amazing. It isn't optimal but with bg8's on the inside and a seating position about 7' away, with them being 2' from the back wall they still destroy any other speaker I have heard. Recently I had them hooked up to a Melody mk88 tube amp, played a little DMB at Radio City and was blown away.

They are currently running off a Emotiva dtc-9.8 and Emotiva xpa-2 and in a room this small there is zero need for a subwoofer. When cranking up War of the Worlds, as the pod comes out of the ground, my sheetrock makes popping noises as the screws and trying to keep it fastened to the studs - most don't realize the lf output these are capable of. I do have an empty moho mfw-15 cabinet sitting on standby should we get a new home though.

freerider · « **Reply #34 on:** 5 Oct 2011, 07:16 pm »

Beatcoaster, I'm finally putting mine together. Can't wait to experience what you are describing!

Outofthewoods · « **Reply #35 on:** 5 Oct 2011, 08:34 pm »

Quote from: freerider on 5 Oct 2011, 07:16 pm

Beatcoaster, I'm finally putting mine together. Can't wait to experience what you are describing!

Right on, man!

I'm glad to see it finally coming together for you.

I'M excited about YOUR speakers!

Best,

Ruben

Beatcoaster · « **Reply #36 on:** 6 Oct 2011, 05:42 am »

Nice Freerider! about time!

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 Oct 2011, 02:54 pm »

It has been great to follow the freerider buildout on his LS6's.

I just pulled the trigger on the new battery preamp from Dodd Audio (The one going to RMAF in Dannys room) and a Digital Amp Company Cherry Jr (The open box unit that was featured in the Affordable Audio review). I'm pretty sure that this is the upgrade I've been looking for to take these speakers to the next level. Both of these power products represent the same incredible value that the LS6 have been for me so far.

When I first started cranking up the LS6's with my old 100 watt integrated I had to go around the room and dampen all of the artwork on the walls and remove some glass wear. I haven't lost any sheet rock yet. I might when I get the new gear home.

While I'm a stereo only person I really haven't heard the need for a sub. The sub I used with my magnapans is still in the garage.

S Clark · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 Oct 2011, 04:01 pm »

I don't think you can go wrong with the Dodd Battery Pre. It just takes you so far into the music and cleans up detail. Mine was part of the first group of 20 built 4-5 years ago. I haven't looked for anything else since.
... and a sub with your LS6? I don't think so.

Cheeseboy · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 Oct 2011, 05:00 pm »

I was all ready to buy a used Dodd battery pre from an AC person before I talked to Gary. Heard it love it and was ready to buy it. You know it you love it and so do I. The Dodd battery pre amp I bought is a new design from Gary. He stated that his listening group thinks it is better than the original. AHHH and the price is right. I was talking to him to see if he had some B stock amps around that could be purchased when he brought up the new battery pre design. He offered to sell me the RMAF sample he was taking to the show to introduce there. He made me an offer I couldn't refuse. The balls on that guy.

I did alot of consulting with the industry wags here on AC and one of them, Bill at Response Audio had extensive experience building upgraded crossovers for the LS series. When I point blank asked him to recommend a good value musical amp for the LS6's he gave me the Digital Amp Company DAC-4800. He had used them alot and said they were a perfect match with that speaker and a tubed pre amp. Bill has more audio knowledge in his baby toe than I will ever have in my lifetime. His new line of preamps is smokin hot and fully balanced. I just don't have that kind of dough right now. I was locked on the New Hybrid Amp from Van Alstine. or a used hybrid like yours. I saw the posting for the used Cherry Jr that was given to the reveiwer at Affordable Audio.

Another Deal of the Decade.

I am one happy camper right now.