[TKonrad.NOLA]

Does Selah have a 2-way stand mount that punches above it's weight class?  Something that digs deep and makes you look for the hidden subwoofer?

[kip_]

The Verita, Grandeur, SSR, and Tempesta all go down to below 40hz in room in ported cabinets. You're not going to find a small monitor that can go to true subwoofer depth (<30hz). It's simply impossible in a small cabinet. Hoffman's law says that you can't have high sensitivity, deep bass, and a small cabinet in the same speaker. Pick two.

[neekomax]

The Verita, Grandeur, SSR, and Tempesta all go down to below 40hz in room in ported cabinets. You're not going to find a small monitor that can go to true subwoofer depth (<30hz). It's simply impossible in a small cabinet. Hoffman's law says that you can't have high sensitivity, deep bass, and a small cabinet in the same speaker. Pick two.

I've got a pair of monitors right here that say otherwise. 


http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=98017.0

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97955.0

[ltr317]

The Verita, Grandeur, SSR, and Tempesta all go down to below 40hz in room in ported cabinets. You're not going to find a small monitor that can go to true subwoofer depth (<30hz). It's simply impossible in a small cabinet. Hoffman's law says that you can't have high sensitivity, deep bass, and a small cabinet in the same speaker. Pick two.

My AAD 2001 goes below 30 Hz, courtesy of Mr Phil Jones. 

[TKonrad.NOLA]

The Verita, Grandeur, SSR, and Tempesta all go down to below 40hz in room in ported cabinets. You're not going to find a small monitor that can go to true subwoofer depth (<30hz). It's simply impossible in a small cabinet. Hoffman's law says that you can't have high sensitivity, deep bass, and a small cabinet in the same speaker. Pick two.

I don't need true subwoofer bottom end, just incredibly good bass for a monitor.  38Hz-40Hz would be great.

[wilsynet]

If you have $25,000 burning a hole in your pocket, the Magico Q1 was impressive at the California Audio Show.  Bass was phenomenal for a monitor, reaching down to 32 HZ.  Everything else about the speakers sounded great too, although I think that there are likely better values out there.

[mcgsxr]

I agree that with a limited sized box, it is tough to hit low notes loud.

How much power do you have to drive the speakers, what sized room, and what type of music?

Some used Totem Mani-2's might work, but they LOVE power.

[JLM]

The answer is to go active.  Incredible dynamics, flat frequency response, and unbelievably deep/full bass.  Look for companies that do active studio monitors and home speakers.  Unfortunatey these get quite pricey.

The new $1000/pair Soundfield Audio Monitor 1 is an interesting (and much cheaper) version of active standmounts (active bass/passive coaxial mid/tweeter that you'd use your own amp for):

http://soundfieldaudio.net/Home.html

[Rick Craig]

Does Selah have a 2-way stand mount that punches above it's weight class?  Something that digs deep and makes you look for the hidden subwoofer?

The ported versions of the Tempesta or Verita have excellent extension. By far the best bass (both quality and extension) of any 7" available.

[kip_]

I've got a pair of monitors right here that say otherwise. 


http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=98017.0

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=97955.0

Where's the 8" subwoofer hiding in that design? That cabinet looks huge. Some Aether Audio (formerly SP Tech) designs do deep bass too, but with a ginormous cabinet.

[kip_]

Also, the nearfield response is only 38hz, which isn't really any better than Selah designs. Room gain is highly dependant, on, duh, the room, as well as placement.

[Rick Craig]

Also, the nearfield response is only 38hz, which isn't really any better than Selah designs. Room gain is highly dependant, on, duh, the room, as well as placement.

Actually I couldn't find any nearfield curves - maybe you can point me to one? The amp driving the woofer can supply equalization so the amount of boost can affect headroom.

[neekomax]

Where's the 8" subwoofer hiding in that design? That cabinet looks huge. Some Aether Audio (formerly SP Tech) designs do deep bass too, but with a ginormous cabinet.

The cabinet is 17" high, 10" wide, and 12" deep. They are pretty heavy, owing to the large magnets in both the sealed sub and the coaxial mid/tweeter driver, about 35 lbs.

The bass is phenomenal, down to around 30 hz iirc. The sound in general is dynamic and smooth at the same time. You gotta hear them. A guy over at Audioholics is going to be comparing them to Revel Salon 2, Linkwitz Orion v3.2.1, KEF 201/2, all very expensive (and two way larger, floorstanding) speakers compared to the SAM1. Should be interesting.

The subwoofer is the lower driver, seen here:

[neekomax]

Not sure if this covers what you're looking for...

[Rick Craig]

In-room curves are notoriously unreliable. A nearfield curve (or outdoor groundplane far away from buildings) will show the true extension. Since this is a sealed design it would be easy to test indoors with the microphone 1/4" away from the center of the cone.

Not sure if this covers what you're looking for...

[kip_]

Actually I couldn't find any nearfield curves - maybe you can point me to one? The amp driving the woofer can supply equalization so the amount of boost can affect headroom.

I was talking about the quoted figure on the website, not going by graphs. I am not knocking the speakers, I have no doubt they're a good speaker, but if you're talking bass extension, you either have to take room gain out of the equation or just guess based on someone's semi-mythical room if you want to compare apples to apples.

[neekomax]

I believe that there were outdoor measurements taken and posted, but...

since the manufacturer is on this forum, I'll let him address the measurements if he wants to, as I'm not the one who did them. Just a satisfied customer  .

[Rick Craig]

The answer is to go active.  Incredible dynamics, flat frequency response, and unbelievably deep/full bass.  Look for companies that do active studio monitors and home speakers.  Unfortunatey these get quite pricey.

The new $1000/pair Soundfield Audio Monitor 1 is an interesting (and much cheaper) version of active standmounts (active bass/passive coaxial mid/tweeter that you'd use your own amp for):

http://soundfieldaudio.net/Home.html

I love active speakers (my reference is always partially or fully active); however, active monitors have always been a tough sell in the audiophile market. In pro audio it's much different and they have almost universal acceptance. One potential problem is that some plate amps are bandwidth-limited and not good for powered monitors (depends where the crossover point is and the slope).

[TKonrad.NOLA]

I owned a pair of speakers previously that had built in subs and it was a pain in the ass to deal with.  I will never go that route again.

Are those 2 Selah models built using the same cabinet?

[Rick Craig]

I owned a pair of speakers previously that had built in subs and it was a pain in the ass to deal with.  I will never go that route again.

Are those 2 Selah models built using the same cabinet?

Yes - same cabinet.