Bryston, Cabling and System Balance

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headshrinker2

Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« on: 7 Sep 2011, 07:27 pm »
Greetings everyone.  Seeking a well-balanced set of interconnects and speaker wire for my Bryston system (BCD-1, BDA-1, BP25 & 4BSST).  I've been auditioning different options at home, but I feel like I am reinventing the wheel. 

What cabling (interconnects, speaker wire, power cords) are you currently and happily using?  Details would be greatly appreciated.  Strengths and weaknesses? 

Thanks very much in advance!


JfTM

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #1 on: 7 Sep 2011, 08:16 pm »
I use diy balanced interconnects: VanDamme star quad with Neutrik gold connectors.

And VanDamme speaker cable.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #2 on: 7 Sep 2011, 08:21 pm »
Hi Headshrinker.  I'm using WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 SC's and balanced IC's from the Esoteric X-05 > BP26 > 7B SST2's > Infinity 9 Kappas.  They are neutral and add further clarity and sharpness to already excellent soundstaging and imaging.  The SC's are flat and not very pliable which is only a problem if you have limited space behind your gear out to the speaks.  The only downside I would list.

I've always been a point of diminishing returns buyer or sweet spot if you will.  I found the WW Silver Elipse 6's to be consistent with this approach along with the aforementioned components.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #3 on: 8 Sep 2011, 01:42 am »
I have always loved Transparent and Nordost with any Bryston product. 

I currently have the Transparent Reference cables connecting my Bryston 4bsst2 and my Thiel 2.4 speakers, and balanced interconnect between a Jeff Rowland preamp and the Bryston.  They create a wide and deep sounstage, amazing dynamic swings, and realistic percussion.

Rob

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #4 on: 8 Sep 2011, 08:07 am »
I have always loved Transparent and Nordost with any Bryston product. 

Rob

Ditto!

I use Nordost Red Dawn in my set. Very open and natural sound, extremely detailed at every level of volume and all through the sound spectrum.
I recently tested 2 sets of Supra Sword (limited edition) (CD player to pre and pre to 4B SST2), but that REALLY did not work. Metallic sound, compared to my Red Dawns loss of detail, wooly sounding bass. And these cables are about 3 times the price of Red Dawns...

I am thinking about testing NBS cables. A friend of mine likes those a LOT, and got me interested as well. Now all I need is some money in case I actually really like them, because if I like them: I WANT THEM!

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #5 on: 8 Sep 2011, 09:36 pm »
Hi Headshrinker.  I'm using WireWorld Silver Eclipse 6 SC's and balanced IC's from the Esoteric X-05 > BP26 > 7B SST2's > Infinity 9 Kappas.  They are neutral and add further clarity and sharpness to already excellent soundstaging and imaging.  The SC's are flat and not very pliable which is only a problem if you have limited space behind your gear out to the speaks.  The only downside I would list.

I've always been a point of diminishing returns buyer or sweet spot if you will.  I found the WW Silver Elipse 6's to be consistent with this approach along with the aforementioned components.


Bryston has used wireworld at CES.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #6 on: 9 Sep 2011, 02:27 am »

Bryston has used wireworld at CES.

Thanks Dave.  I forgot to point that out in my post.

Ilkatze

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #7 on: 9 Sep 2011, 03:03 am »
Hello, Headshrinker.

From my 4BSST-2 to my BP-26, I use Belden 1800F cable (XLR, Neutrik connector).
The same cable connects my BDA-1 to my BCD-1, and the BDA-1 to the BP-26.
For unbalanced cable, I use a Belden/Canare-based wire (LC-1, Blue Jeans Cable).
My speakers connect with the amplifier through Belden 1313A cable.

For me, the cables I use strike me the same way as does my Bryston equipment: if it hasn't to do with maintaining the source signal with as little alteration/coloration/etc. as is practicable given current technology, you won't find it here (i.e., in a Bryston product, in the cable product).  That's the strength I cite for the cabling I use.

The weakness?  The same as with any other cable, I would suppose: nothing is perfect, but it does as well as it can.

headshrinker2

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #8 on: 9 Sep 2011, 11:07 am »
Ilkatze,
I'm curious.  Did you ever have the opportunity to compare your Blue Jeans Cabling with any of the audio cable "boutique" brands (Audioquest, Kimber, Harmonic Technology, Nordost, Transparent, XLO..ect)?

I was just looking at cable prices on Blue Jeans yesterday.  Wiring up separates with balanced Belden 1800F is quite reasonable.   Especially in my Bryston system, almost every cable change (IC, coaxial, power cord) makes some audible difference. 

Hello, Headshrinker.

From my 4BSST-2 to my BP-26, I use Belden 1800F cable (XLR, Neutrik connector).
The same cable connects my BDA-1 to my BCD-1, and the BDA-1 to the BP-26.
For unbalanced cable, I use a Belden/Canare-based wire (LC-1, Blue Jeans Cable).
My speakers connect with the amplifier through Belden 1313A cable.

For me, the cables I use strike me the same way as does my Bryston equipment: if it hasn't to do with maintaining the source signal with as little alteration/coloration/etc. as is practicable given current technology, you won't find it here (i.e., in a Bryston product, in the cable product).  That's the strength I cite for the cabling I use.

The weakness?  The same as with any other cable, I would suppose: nothing is perfect, but it does as well as it can.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #9 on: 9 Sep 2011, 12:22 pm »
Thanks Dave.  I forgot to point that out in my post.

I have been hearing great things about Wireworld cables. I had been thinking about stepping up my Kimber Kable ICs and power cord to their more expensive stuff but after learning about Wireworld and the great things users have been saying about them I'm reconsidering the upgrade path. The Silver Eclipse speaker cables in particular people seem to absolutely rave about.

headshrinker2

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #10 on: 9 Sep 2011, 01:13 pm »
Rod,
I've had very positive experiences with Wireworld.  Well-made products.  Very good communication and responsiveness.  Excellent website.  There are some really friendly and knowledgeable dealers on Audiogon. 

I'm currently using two digital Wireworld cables in my system.  Very pleased.  I tried a loom of Wireworld Equinox a few months ago, but I didn't keep them. 

Yes, the Silver Eclipse gets very positive reviews. 



I have been hearing great things about Wireworld cables. I had been thinking about stepping up my Kimber Kable ICs and power cord to their more expensive stuff but after learning about Wireworld and the great things users have been saying about them I'm reconsidering the upgrade path. The Silver Eclipse speaker cables in particular people seem to absolutely rave about.

Ilkatze

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #11 on: 9 Sep 2011, 01:17 pm »
Headshrinker,

This is the first time I've used the "quote" function, so I hope it works out.

Yes, I have compared what I use with Audioquest, MIT, Kimber, Cardas, Tara Labs, Transparent Audio, and Tributaries (relatively inexpensive line, this last product).

I had no ill experience with any of the products I've listed, but when making the change to "broadcast/professional/industry-standard type" cables, my personal and anecdotal experience is that what I heard coming out of the system was more "true" to the source.  A lousy CD would sound revealingly so, and a finely recorded one would sound especially so.

The Belden 1313A speaker cable seemed to be most "noticeable" to me during comparison with Audioquest/Transparent Audio/Kimber wire I'd used in the past.  Sounds like cymbals (whether in popular or Classical music--think Stravinsky's Firebird Suite) resembled more what I might hear in an actual concert (with obvious acknowledgement to the "This is the not a pipe" thread elsewhere in this forum).  The bass seemed more "precise"/"punchy", too.

The differences weren't extraordinary or magical, but I *did* notice them.  To some folks, that *would* extraordinary or magical.  I just say they were noticeable and leave it at that.

I've not tried different power cords.  I use what Bryston shipped with the units I have.  Elizabeth has mentioned Pangea power cords in other threads, and I'm curious to try them out sometime.  I don't know whether I'd notice a difference, but the cords are attractive as well as relatively inexpensive.



Ilkatze,
I'm curious.  Did you ever have the opportunity to compare your Blue Jeans Cabling with any of the audio cable "boutique" brands (Audioquest, Kimber, Harmonic Technology, Nordost, Transparent, XLO..ect)?

I was just looking at cable prices on Blue Jeans yesterday.  Wiring up separates with balanced Belden 1800F is quite reasonable.   Especially in my Bryston system, almost every cable change (IC, coaxial, power cord) makes some audible difference.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #12 on: 9 Sep 2011, 03:16 pm »
Greetings everyone.  Seeking a well-balanced set of interconnects and speaker wire for my Bryston system (BCD-1, BDA-1, BP25 & 4BSST).  I've been auditioning different options at home, but I feel like I am reinventing the wheel. 

What cabling (interconnects, speaker wire, power cords) are you currently and happily using?  Details would be greatly appreciated.  Strengths and weaknesses? 

Thanks very much in advance!


To me it is a no brainer using Bryston Cabling throughout. Balanced that is. When Bryston presented and demonstrated a complete Bryston system for our Audio Club all cabling was Bryston.
  We had zero desire to try any of  so called better cabling on hand. A first for us. Cabling is a subjective matter. Bryston cables are engineered for Bryston gear. House synergy to me is the no brainer. Try some before you make any purchases.


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headshrinker2

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #13 on: 9 Sep 2011, 03:42 pm »
Hi Charles,
If Bryston Cabling works well in a Bryston system, this certainly does sound like a "no brainer".  Synergy is a beautiful, beautiful thing.  Definitely worth a look, especially in light of audio cabling prices.  I was shopping for cabling at the same time as kitchen appliances a few months back.  You can guess the conflicts I was experiencing!

However, it is not clear from what I have read that Bryston cabling is "engineered for Bryston gear".  Some of what James has written in the past suggests that it was offered "as a convenience" for Bryston customers.  I am not implying that Bryston does NOT work well with Bryston gear.  I have not auditioned it yet. 




To me it is a no brainer using Bryston Cabling throughout. Balanced that is. When Bryston presented and demonstrated a complete Bryston system for our Audio Club all cabling was Bryston.
  We had zero desire to try any of  so called better cabling on hand. A first for us. Cabling is a subjective matter. Bryston cables are engineered for Bryston gear. House synergy to me is the no brainer. Try some before you make any purchases.


charles
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JfTM

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #14 on: 9 Sep 2011, 04:03 pm »
The Neutrik/Van Damme cables I DIY'd are the same bits as go into the Bryston cables.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #15 on: 9 Sep 2011, 04:30 pm »
Speaker cables : Bryston SC4

RCA : Bryston w/ Neutrik
XLR: Bryston w/ Neutrik ( cables made by van damme, 'tour grade ultra pure silver plated microphon cables' )
digital : Ortofon, Mmm, the blue one.  Got it free from a rich friend.  :green:

Power cables : i hate to admit it, but i did spend quite a painful lot of money on the big vicious snake cables. VDH Mainstream Hybrid and XLO LE-10.   Not based on actual audition, but mainly the looks....  :scratch: Who dosen't want the fancy big cables..A friend of mine once picked up the XLO and said 'Good lord! What's this? You got an arc welding machine?!' :icon_lol:




Ooh... it does look good on the fluffy hairy matt...
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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #16 on: 9 Sep 2011, 04:42 pm »
Bis Audio cable all around. Built in Montreal (Québec) and they are amazing for the price.
See http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/cables/18-1_bis_audio.shtml

headshrinker2

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #17 on: 9 Sep 2011, 09:10 pm »
Amblin,
Your power cable looks really comfy on that rug!

Speaker cables : Bryston SC4

RCA : Bryston w/ Neutrik
XLR: Bryston w/ Neutrik ( cables made by van damme, 'tour grade ultra pure silver plated microphon cables' )
digital : Ortofon, Mmm, the blue one.

Power cables : i hate to admit it, but i did spend several grands on the big vicious snake cables. VDH Mainstream Hybrid and XLO LE-10.   Not based on actual audition, but mainly the looks....  :scratch:




Ooh... it does look good on the fluffy hairy matt...

headshrinker2

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #18 on: 9 Sep 2011, 09:17 pm »
Audioquest King Cobra IC's + Audioquest Rocket 88 (non-DBS) are a nice combination on my BCD-1/BP25/4BSST system.  Harmonic Technology power cables.

Well-balanced throughout the frequency range and fairly neutral-no ranges obviously exagerated.  Well-made and nice looking.  Great low and high frequency extension.  Highs are nice and clean without being strident.  Nice wide soundstage that extends beyond the speakers.  Nice 3-dimensional sound.  Good value for the money.  Just my personal taste, but wish there was a touch more body and warmth in the midrange.  They show up frequently in the S/H market. 
« Last Edit: 9 Sep 2011, 11:33 pm by headshrinker2 »

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #19 on: 9 Sep 2011, 09:49 pm »
Hi,

I'm fairly sure the thin cables such as Red Dawn (Nordost) are on my do not use list.

I can't remember why  :duh: :scratch:

SORRY! to those that have them. Its to do with the design of ALL thin side by side layer cables, technical reason why not to use them, and it escapes me at the mo. That said of course, If you like them then they are good and that's what counts.

Transparent are all Ok.

I use Kimber KS3038 mid's and hi's and KS3033 for the bass - The X,XL etc range are also very good.

Bi Wire if you can.

Balanced for sure even short runs.

Silver over copper if you can (Bass I kept copper)

AES/EBU for digital is best quality option