Bryston, Cabling and System Balance

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #20 on: 10 Sep 2011, 02:35 pm »
Hi,

I'm fairly sure the thin cables such as Red Dawn (Nordost) are on my do not use list.

I can't remember why  :duh: :scratch:

SORRY! to those that have them. Its to do with the design of ALL thin side by side layer cables, technical reason why not to use them, and it escapes me at the mo. That said of course, If you like them then they are good and that's what counts.

No worries, no offense taken :)

Of all cables tested I found the Red Dawns the best value for money. If you ever remember why I should start looking for new cables (and are willing to support my wallet :D ) please let me know!


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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #21 on: 10 Sep 2011, 03:37 pm »
Hi,

I'm fairly sure the thin cables such as Red Dawn (Nordost) are on my do not use list.

I can't remember why  :duh: :scratch:

SORRY! to those that have them. Its to do with the design of ALL thin side by side layer cables, technical reason why not to use them, and it escapes me at the mo. That said of course, If you like them then they are good and that's what counts.

Transparent are all Ok.

I use Kimber KS3038 mid's and hi's and KS3033 for the bass - The X,XL etc range are also very good.

Bi Wire if you can.

Balanced for sure even short runs.

Silver over copper if you can (Bass I kept copper)

AES/EBU for digital is best quality option

Wow, bi-wiring with the Selects, very nice. Why are you using th 3033 and not the 3038 for the lows? Is it that because of the low frequencies you figure there would be no audible benefit of having silver vs copper? How long are your cables? You mention that the Monacle X and XL are also very good, have you had an opportunity to A/B the Monacle XL to the 3033? If so I am curious if you could discern any audible difference between the two.
Have you had an opportunity ot listen to the new 6000 series Selects?

Thanks,

Rod

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #22 on: 10 Sep 2011, 07:17 pm »
Currently playing with some Harmonic Technology Truth Link IC's. 

Sometimes I find my current system leaning towards the bright side of life.  The HT Truth Link's definitely help with this, though I find the top end just a smidge too rolled off for my taste.  The mid range with the Truth Links is an absolute treat- smooth, full-bodied- adding a nice amount of warmth.  Especially nice on vocals and acoustic instruments. 

I made an interesting discovery.  I don't love Truth Links throughout my separate 2-channel rig.  But, they combine rather nicely with AQ King Cobra.

Stu Pitt

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #23 on: 10 Sep 2011, 10:32 pm »
I went from AQ King Cobra to Kimber Hero with WBT caps.  I really liked the King Cobra, but the Hero sounds a good bit better in my system.  My DAC (Rega) is a tad on the fuller, and warmer side, and the soundstage is pushed back a little.  I found the King Cobra added to this.  The Hero sounds more stripped down, cleaner, and more forward.  It sounds more open and airy, and the soundstage is wider and deeper.  Images actually seem a touch smaller, or maybe their sizes are truer?

System synergy is what it's all about.  I'm not sure I'd like the Hero as much if I had the BDA-1.  I have a B60, Rega DAC fed by Apple TV 1, and Audio Physic Yara Evolution bookshelves.  My system was on the leaner side of things when I had the Theta Cobalt DAC, which is why I think I liked the King Cobra then.  I liked it after I bought the Rega DAC, but the Hero sounds a good bit better now.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #24 on: 10 Sep 2011, 11:30 pm »
I use Tara Labs RSC Prime M1800 speaker cables.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Tara-Labs-RSC-Prime-M1800-Bi-wired-Speaker-Cable

I got these because Tara Labs is an Oregon based company, and they sound/look great.

I use AudioQuest Sidewinder interconnects for all my components. Cheapo wires, but they do the trick.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #25 on: 11 Sep 2011, 12:42 am »
Stu.  Your point is very well taken.  It's all about how everything works together in a given system.

I went from AQ King Cobra to Kimber Hero with WBT caps.  I really liked the King Cobra, but the Hero sounds a good bit better in my system.  My DAC (Rega) is a tad on the fuller, and warmer side, and the soundstage is pushed back a little.  I found the King Cobra added to this.  The Hero sounds more stripped down, cleaner, and more forward.  It sounds more open and airy, and the soundstage is wider and deeper.  Images actually seem a touch smaller, or maybe their sizes are truer?

System synergy is what it's all about.  I'm not sure I'd like the Hero as much if I had the BDA-1.  I have a B60, Rega DAC fed by Apple TV 1, and Audio Physic Yara Evolution bookshelves.  My system was on the leaner side of things when I had the Theta Cobalt DAC, which is why I think I liked the King Cobra then.  I liked it after I bought the Rega DAC, but the Hero sounds a good bit better now.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #26 on: 11 Sep 2011, 12:43 am »
nomeans,
So many folks using such a wide range of cabling.  Not a terrific amount of convergence. 

What kind of system are you using? 

I use Tara Labs RSC Prime M1800 speaker cables.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Tara-Labs-RSC-Prime-M1800-Bi-wired-Speaker-Cable

I got these because Tara Labs is an Oregon based company, and they sound/look great.

I use AudioQuest Sidewinder interconnects for all my components. Cheapo wires, but they do the trick.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #27 on: 11 Sep 2011, 01:14 am »
Oops, I left that out. My apologies. Rotel RSX-1550, NAD C565BEE, Bryston 4BSST2, Paradigm Studio 100's, w/Paradigm Surrounds/Center, PSB Centerbacks, Paradigm 10" Sub. 

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #28 on: 22 Sep 2011, 01:00 pm »
Belden 1800F Balanced Audio Cable (purchased through Blue Jeans Cable) works very, very well between BCD-1, BP25 Pre, and 4BSST.  Nicely balanced.  Terrific extension both high and low.  Excellent value for the money. 

At least to my ears (and on my system), this would be a great starting place before looking at more expensive offerings. 




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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #29 on: 22 Sep 2011, 07:05 pm »
I am using Supra Sword balanced cables and speakers cables with my system. For AC cord, I am using LessLoss Signature cables every components.

The only Bryston product I have in my system are a pair of 7B-SST².

BrysTony

Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #30 on: 22 Sep 2011, 08:16 pm »
Belden 1800F Balanced Audio Cable (purchased through Blue Jeans Cable) works very, very well between BCD-1, BP25 Pre, and 4BSST.  Nicely balanced.  Terrific extension both high and low.  Excellent value for the money. 

At least to my ears (and on my system), this would be a great starting place before looking at more expensive offerings.

These Blue Jeans cables are the same cables (AES/EBU) that Bryston sells for 4 times the price.  :scratch:  :peek:

Tony

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #31 on: 24 Sep 2011, 10:01 pm »
I went from AQ King Cobra to Kimber Hero with WBT caps.  I really liked the King Cobra, but the Hero sounds a good bit better in my system.  My DAC (Rega) is a tad on the fuller, and warmer side, and the soundstage is pushed back a little.  I found the King Cobra added to this.  The Hero sounds more stripped down, cleaner, and more forward.  It sounds more open and airy, and the soundstage is wider and deeper.  Images actually seem a touch smaller, or maybe their sizes are truer?

System synergy is what it's all about.  I'm not sure I'd like the Hero as much if I had the BDA-1.  I have a B60, Rega DAC fed by Apple TV 1, and Audio Physic Yara Evolution bookshelves.  My system was on the leaner side of things when I had the Theta Cobalt DAC, which is why I think I liked the King Cobra then.  I liked it after I bought the Rega DAC, but the Hero sounds a good bit better now.
   Stu, I use the Hero cables with the BDA1. They sound great.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #32 on: 25 Sep 2011, 06:17 pm »
A follow-up...

The inexpensive Belden 1694A coaxial (also from Blue Jeans Cable) is also working very well between my BDP-1 and BDA-1.  It took a little while to break in, but I am really loving how my system sounds right now.  Unless it is a break-in issue, I prefer the coaxial connection over Belden 1800F between the BDP and BDA. 


Belden 1800F Balanced Audio Cable (purchased through Blue Jeans Cable) works very, very well between BCD-1, BP25 Pre, and 4BSST.  Nicely balanced.  Terrific extension both high and low.  Excellent value for the money. 

At least to my ears (and on my system), this would be a great starting place before looking at more expensive offerings.

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #33 on: 26 Sep 2011, 02:06 am »

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #34 on: 1 Oct 2011, 12:58 am »
   Stu, I use the Hero cables with the BDA1. They sound great.

The Hero is a great cable.  I was just theorizing I may not like it as much with a BDA-1, as I haven't heard it with one.   Then again, I never checked the cables on the occasions I've heard it.   

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #35 on: 1 Oct 2011, 06:40 am »

To me it is a no brainer using Bryston Cabling throughout. Balanced that is. When Bryston presented and demonstrated a complete Bryston system for our Audio Club all cabling was Bryston.
  We had zero desire to try any of  so called better cabling on hand. A first for us. Cabling is a subjective matter. Bryston cables are engineered for Bryston gear. House synergy to me is the no brainer. Try some before you make any purchases.


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Can`t agree more!  +1

Cables are perfect products to squeeze (lots) more money from audiophiles with very doubtful results.
Buy Bryston cabels and you`re done.
Go home and enjoy your music!
Simple as that!  :thumb:

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Re: Bryston, Cabling and System Balance
« Reply #36 on: 1 Oct 2011, 08:37 pm »

To me it is a no brainer using Bryston Cabling throughout. Balanced that is. When Bryston presented and demonstrated a complete Bryston system for our Audio Club all cabling was Bryston.
  We had zero desire to try any of  so called better cabling on hand. A first for us. Cabling is a subjective matter. Bryston cables are engineered for Bryston gear. House synergy to me is the no brainer. Try some before you make any purchases.


charles
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Charles is spot on in saying the whole cable thing is very subjective. In my experience, in some cases, cable has made a difference in the sound and in others, even with good cable, no difference at all. I use Bryston, in speaker cable, but not in my whole system, since I have some good interconnects - Transparent, WireWorld, and Tara. If I were to start from scratch, I would buy Bryston throughout.

Dave