Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk

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Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« on: 30 Aug 2011, 10:36 am »
From: MJ AUDIO LAB
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Hi James

Please find attached pictures from PMC IB2i and BRYSTON (BDP-1, BDA-1, BCD-1, BP26, 2 x 7B SST2) system presentation in our dealer shop in Gdansk.




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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #1 on: 30 Aug 2011, 06:03 pm »
They really need to invest in a rack and a BIT.  :oops:

SoundGame

Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #2 on: 30 Aug 2011, 06:08 pm »
I like the diffraction elements but the absorbtion panels look odd, since they aren't symetrical - I wonder what in the room required that to be the case.  I would typically think the absorbtion would be centred between the speakers.

Good to see them showcasing the product.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #3 on: 30 Aug 2011, 06:14 pm »
They really need to invest in a rack and a BIT.  :oops:

Wow, that's what I was thinking -  at least on the rack.  The amps should be symetrically placed (whether in the center or next to the speaker stands) and the hands-on components need to be out in front and elevated.
 
That's not good enough for an audio show, let alone a dealer setup.  On the other hand, maybe this is a preliminary shot and you can post the finished photo when you receive it (although they did refer to it as "system presentation"!).
 
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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #4 on: 31 Aug 2011, 09:55 am »
PMC speakers while sounding good(of course debatable)......must be one of the most basic/boring looking speakers on the market LOL

Indeed.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #5 on: 31 Aug 2011, 10:57 am »
Indeed.

Personally, I find them quite handsome and purposeful in design.  If designs can slant to the feminine or the masculine then I see the PMC on the masculine side, which in my book is fine.  I personally tend to like their darker finishes but hey, we've all got our preferences.

The sonic performance of PMC (accuracy, neutrality, technical design) I can't say is up for debate, given it's history, client base etc.; however, in term of whether their "house-sound" or lack there of of colouration meets everyone's preferences is another question.  Some may prefer speakers with a little hotter midrange or treble balance or perhaps a fuller more bodied lower midrange / upper bass etc. - yes, some might even prefer a more wooley sonic signature. 

Hence, my thoughts are that providing opinions / preferences with more detail is better than less, if the objective is to lead to a beneficial discussion.

 

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #6 on: 31 Aug 2011, 02:29 pm »
PMC speakers while sounding good(of course debatable)......must be one of the most basic/boring looking speakers on the market LOL

I could just make a sweeping, generalized statement of questionable value but's that's already been covered so I'll do this instead:

I have owned both KEF Reference Series as well as PMC. The KEF's were fine speakers. I actually replaced them with a set of PMC's which were less $$$ but sounded better over a wider variety of music. That's a prerequisite here. The KEF's always seemed to do some things very well- especially vocals - but were kinda slow-sounding on stuff that needed a speaker which could keep up. I guess we're talking about the mystic PRaT here. I'd give the "box series" PMC's I had the edge over the KEF's in terms of overall imaging whereas I'd give the KEF's a slight edge in presenting a vocal - they could do the "holograph" thing impressively. As to the whole Uni-Q thing, meh...The PMC's were a bit laid-back in the mids but much better in the bottom end. Very deep, clean bass - and not that "one-note" bass thing that takes up space but is really just a drone. Overall, I thought the PMC's were more impressive sonically and easier to live with in terms of positioning,etc. but the two shared a certain similarity in terms of their overall voicing - the "British" sound? When I recently replaced my PMC's I can honestly say that the idea of owning another set of KEF's really didn't enter my mind. Would've been tough anyway because they can't seem to maintain distribution here and there's usually a good reason for that.

As to styling, "purposeful" is a word I've seen used to describe PMC and it's like using "handsome" to describe a woman. The box-series PMC's are certainly a conservatively-styled product but I think that just goes along with the whole approach to speaker-building at that house - no nonsense, focus on what matters. By the same token, PMC is not oblivious to style as can be seen in the new FACT series which offers a deliberately "up-market" look without veering into the garish or vulgar. Those whose tastes run more towards the cartoonish or ostentatious are already well-catered to by the speaker industry and it could be convincingly argued that the KEF 207's would certainly fit comfortably into that category.

Personally, I would say that one should consider any opinions on style highly suspect when they originate from someone with a Pinocchio tattoo on his arm. Just sayin'...

LOL...

D.D.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #7 on: 31 Aug 2011, 02:40 pm »
D.D. that's an informative post.  I'll have to seek out more info and perhaps a demo on the FACT series.  D.D. where does the FACT line sit in terms of pricing in the PMC inventory of product?

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #8 on: 31 Aug 2011, 03:46 pm »
As for the look of any speaker or anything else for that matter,this song comes to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQMfN0UFqms

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #9 on: 1 Sep 2011, 12:52 am »
D.D. that's an informative post.  I'll have to seek out more info and perhaps a demo on the FACT series.  D.D. where does the FACT line sit in terms of pricing in the PMC inventory of product?

Hi Soundgame :  Not sure about the FACT.3 standmounts but the FACT.8 floorstanders list @ $10 G which I would think gets you into PB1i country as far as the "box-series" PMC's. The FACT.8 is not your daddy's PMC's and have a distinctly different sonic flavor from the "boxes" as well as a very different look. I loved my FB1i's and I believe they are still PMC's most award-winning speaker but the clarity on offer from the FACTs is absolutely stunning. Superb speakers and I am utterly enchanted. They seem to do pretty much everything right. And they're two-ways...

D.D.   

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #10 on: 1 Sep 2011, 01:07 am »
As for the look of any speaker or anything else for that matter,this song comes to mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQMfN0UFqms

Perhaps you should hum that little ditty to yourself before the next time you decide to expound on your apparently strongly-held but demonstrably ill-informed views regarding musical genres which you do not share an enjoyment and / or appreciation of with others. Pot / kettle / black and all that...It's a big world, we're all on the same bus and there's enough room for all of us as long as we aren't dropping our baggage on each other's toes.

Again, just sayin'...

D.D.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #11 on: 1 Sep 2011, 01:54 am »
Perhaps you should hum that little ditty to yourself before the next time you decide to expound on your apparently strongly-held but demonstrably ill-informed views regarding musical genres which you do not share an enjoyment and / or appreciation of with others. Pot / kettle / black and all that...It's a big world, we're all on the same bus and there's enough room for all of us as long as we aren't dropping our baggage on each other's toes.

Again, just sayin'...

D.D.

I agree.... :thumb:
That's the beautiful thing about life......
Mature people can disagree on a different level.
No offense taken.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #12 on: 1 Sep 2011, 02:09 am »

 :thumb: Groovy. How are those Aerials working for you? They must be awesome!

D.D.

1oldguy

Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #13 on: 1 Sep 2011, 02:16 am »
:thumb: Groovy. How are those Aerials working for you? They must be awesome!

D.D.

Hi

They are great....But since I'm dying here with the flu not much is happening here with the music side of things.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #14 on: 1 Sep 2011, 02:32 am »
Hi

They are great....But since I'm dying here with the flu not much is happening here with the music side of things.

Take care. This too shall pass...

D.D.

1oldguy

Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #15 on: 1 Sep 2011, 02:42 am »
Amen to that  :thumb:...Now it's time to go pass out.

SoundGame

Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #16 on: 1 Sep 2011, 02:44 am »

Hi Soundgame :  Not sure about the FACT.3 standmounts but the FACT.8 floorstanders list @ $10 G which I would think gets you into PB1i country as far as the "box-series" PMC's. The FACT.8 is not your daddy's PMC's and have a distinctly different sonic flavor from the "boxes" as well as a very different look. I loved my FB1i's and I believe they are still PMC's most award-winning speaker but the clarity on offer from the FACTs is absolutely stunning. Superb speakers and I am utterly enchanted. They seem to do pretty much everything right. And they're two-ways...

D.D.

Thanks for sharing that D.D.  Perhaps you could expand a little on what you mean by "the clairty on offer"?  Would that be tonal clarity, high-frequency detail, low frequency detail, mid-range detail or all of the above?  Just quite interested in your new found love.. :)

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #17 on: 1 Sep 2011, 03:43 am »

Thanks for sharing that D.D.  Perhaps you could expand a little on what you mean by "the clairty on offer"?  Would that be tonal clarity, high-frequency detail, low frequency detail, mid-range detail or all of the above?  Just quite interested in your new found love.. :)

Soundgame :  It's like getting an HD hook-up for your stereo - the sound is crystalline like winter morning air. The highs are crisp and airy, the mids are goosed a bit compared to say, my old FB1i's so the detail is exquisite where most of the music goes on and the bottom-end is unbelievable from a cabinet which is like 6" wide. And the low end detail is wicked good; one-note bass is not to be found here. The soundstage is really deep and wide and they image like crazy,absolutely rock-solid in that respect with no smear and no roving. They do all this without losing the capability to make your foot tap -a highly involving listen where the FB's could be just a hair laid-back in that respect. They are very quick-sounding and you just get swept up by the music. The quietest detail in a recording is revealed but not in an exaggerated way - a background sound  remains in the background but it is utterly clear and audible. My system consists of a BCD-1, 7BSST2, Manley Jumbo Shrimp tube preamp and BIT 20 all cabled with XLO Signature 3's so it's plenty revealing and these FACT 8's serve all of that up to you at whatever volume you run them at ( and we have discovered that we seem to be listening at higher volumes without realizing it because the sound is so clean ). You will absolutely hear all the nuances of various recordings for better or for worse but I really like that. I'd really suggest a demo if possible because their revealing nature might be off-putting if one is looking for a relaxed presentation or if the existing equipment one would be using them with was less than an optimal match. For example, in a fully-carpeted listening area with lots of upholstered furniture, I'm using them with a 1 dB HF cut ( LF is flat ) with a tube pre-amp and SST2 amps...
Oh, and they aren't as "purposeful-looking" :wink: as their predecessors although my wife claims to have preferred the classic PMC cherry finish of the old speakers to the Tiger Ebony of the FACTs. Go figure. As Homer Simpson said :"Can't win so why try?" She does now sit down and listen to music which is something she never did before. Last night she was commenting that she could hear Jennifer Warnes breathing as we listened to a live rendition of "Joan Of Arc" from the 20th anniversary edition of Famous Blue Raincoat. And you could, too....and it was AWESOME ! :D

D.D.

James : Sorry about the total threadjack.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #18 on: 1 Sep 2011, 03:57 am »
Nice write-up, D, even if you did jack the bejeezus out of this thread.

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Re: Bryston/PMC Dealer in Gdansk
« Reply #19 on: 1 Sep 2011, 09:10 am »
Volks-you are ballsy but not sure you constint intensions with the Bryston box here....maybe Audiokarma is a better place for your green gear!

PMC...well simply is wayyy toooo much $$$$ """NEW"""
                        BUT
 IS a great speaker if it can be had for a good used price(sorry if this offends you ""IAN"")
I did see the KEF Reference during a MB1 demo(the owner was repacing them with the Kef) and they sounded very bad(the MB1's)....although the fit and finish of the big Kefs was great,it is the SQ that matters most.....PMC has good SQ but their prices are rather rediculous(the new 20yr warranty maketing should help defend this).My friend auditioned OB1 andPB1 and the IB1 is a better speaker for sure.