Review of Mad DOg's "Setting the record straight"

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #40 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 06:28 pm »

Quote from: Lak

My dearest Psychicanimal,

What does your quote have to do with the post other than being an ego builder for you?

My leadership instructor in the Coast Guard, Lt. Lee Reneau, told me that it was OK to feed my ego. Had you been home when I went to see Sammy De León's band you'd have understood better. This is nothing compared to having that Nubian princess sweat *profusely* after dancing w/ yours truly one and a half songs! It wasn't the temperature what was making her sweat...

Anyway, the point is that Robert was right about being selective on who auditioned his stuff--and then he got careless. My example points out why. A manufacturer needs to find suitable environments and evaluators for new products.

zybar · « **Reply #41 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 06:43 pm »

I personally don't like this idea of "selecting suiteable candidates" for audition. It is one thing if you are talkng about Beta...but if the product is already out there, you either have an open audition period for everybody or none at all.

My two cents...

George

Robert C. Schult · « **Reply #42 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 08:42 pm »

Hi All.

Seems appropriate that I jump in here for a moment (me and a moment? What's that?

).

As I've read the many posts here, it seems too many have missed my original point. My point was, regardless whether one recognizes it or agrees with it, the deception. Not that someone didn't like our offerings. I might suggest, if it's of interest to you, to go back and read the original post and read what's written, not what you might want it to say. As challenging as it can be sometimes for anyone, I think I did a good job saying what I meant and that it was clear enough. Viggen's clarification was as close as I've seen anybody get it. It wasn’t even a matter of “in his system” but more so what the cables revealed and then the promotion, which still persists, that the cables were poor performers.

George, as might be typically understood, I don’t subscribe to "selecting suitable candidates" either. What I do subscribe to is consulting on what one can expect from our cables especially when there’s a financial investment involved. That has worked extremely well for Ridge Street and it’s clients let alone an audition tour. Actually, with the original five volunteers, my “selection” was not stringent or too selective at all, ask them. But, when certain folk came out of the woodwork, it was. Anyway, I think that too was covered in the original post and I think I was more than fair in how woodwork requests were handled.

Francisco, please don’t be a part of why this thread ends up in the fight club if it goes that way. You know I’m not saying anything I haven’t already talked with you about but, I’ll assert that even when you endeavor to help someone or something, it’s still about you first and how it makes you look. That’s off-putting to many folks (myself included if I didn’t choose to look past it) and, as for me anyway, I’m not surprised that much of your participation on the boards becomes at least somewhat of a mild brawl or just ignored. I’m not attacking you. I’m simply being honest to a friend who I’ve come to value and appreciate for the good things. Take this to heart my friend if my, or anyone else’s perception matters to you. If not, then I guess you’re going to “hit me back”!

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #43 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 10:14 pm »

Quote from: Robert C. Schult

Francisco, please don’t be a part of why this thread ends up in the fight club if it goes that way.

Nah, I'm not in a fight mode at all.

No need to worry...just having fun.

However, if this happened at all, it was *you* who started this and you already knew what could happen when manufacturers get involved in messes like this, much less starting them. The people I suggested to watch closely (Bob Crump, Dan Wright, Kevin Barrett, Dusty Vawter) would have never gotten themselves into this.

Quote from: Robert C. Schult

If not, then I guess you’re going to “hit me back”!

It wasn’t even a matter of “in his system” but more so what the cables revealed and then the promotion, which still persists, that the cables poor performers.

Guess I'm not the only one in 'looking good' mode!

Sa-dono · « **Reply #44 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 10:36 pm »

Quote from: Robert C. Schult

Hi All.

Seems appropriate that I jump in here for a moment (me and a moment? What's that? ).

As I've read the many posts here, it seems too many have missed my original point. My point was, regardless whether one recognizes it or agrees with it, the deception. Not that someone didn't like our offerings. I might suggest, if it's of interest to you, to go back and read the original post and read what's written, not what you might want it to say. As challenging as it can be sometimes for anyone, I think I did a good job saying what I meant and that it was clear enough. Viggen's clarification was as close as I've seen anybody get it. It wasn’t even a matter of “in his system” but more so what the cables revealed and then the promotion, which still persists, that the cables poor performers.

Quote from: Mad DOg

to truly put things into perspective...ALL of the cables above are EXCELLENT cables that most folks would highly enjoy in their systems....

What is so hard to understand Robert?

I think it is you that is missing the point of many of the replies to your "original post."

Sa-dono · « **Reply #45 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 10:40 pm »

PA:

Is there a reason you went with the VenHaus cable? Is the Ridge Street cable too expensive for you right now, or does the VenHaus cable provide you with as good or better performance for less money?

Lak · « **Reply #46 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 11:12 pm »

Psychicanimal Said:
“My leadership instructor in the Coast Guard, Lt. Lee Reneau, told me that it was OK to feed my ego.”

How many of your friends have to tell you to stop that S**T because it pisses off people! I realize that’s your intention, however many people don’t like it and choose to ignore your good advice, wisdom etc.

Who are you going to believe Lt Reneau or some people that are trying to be your friends, or perhaps you’ve worn them down and they don’t care to associate with you any more. Do I need to phone your mother and have a talk with her regarding your behavior?

JoshK · « **Reply #47 on:** 21 Apr 2004, 11:48 pm »

I personally wouldn't take the advice of senior military men on social graces. People they interact with do not have the luxury of choosing whether they listen to them or not. They could be the biggest d**khead in the world but they still get respect, because the people have zero choice in the matter. But this is the civilian world and people do have a choice. Act like a prick and you'll be dancing merengue alone in front of your stereo till the end of your days.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #48 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 12:38 am »

Quote from: Sa-dono

PA:

Is there a reason you went with the VenHaus cable? Is the Ridge Street cable too expensive for you right now, or does the VenHaus cable provide you with as good or better performance for less money?

I don't know. It is just an audition that turned out very pleasant. You'll have to ask Lak to come pick up the cable if he wants to compare it to the Ridge Street while I'm on vacation. He can write a review, if he so chooses. I don't want to get involved. However, I would not be surprised at all if the Pulsar turns out to be quieter than the Ridge Street....

Quote from: JoshK

People they interact with do not have the luxury of choosing whether they listen to them or not. They could be the biggest d**khead in the world but they still get respect, because the people have zero choice in the matter.

Nothing further from the truth. Do you have a choice at any job? Effective leadership relies heavily on personal power. This guy was heavy on explaining institutional vs personal power and avoiding erosion of personal power at all costs.

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Dear Larry,

I was talking earlier to José and you came up in the conversation. I know this woman, Carmen. After describing her to José we both agree you ought to meet her. She's in her early forties, looks good with jet black hair and wears pretty dresses with half her breasts exposed and *lifted*. Although you are in better shape than 95% of the men your age, it would be interesting to see who wears out who...

*********

Robert,

Hope you learn your lesson. IMO, this whole thread should be sent to the waste. Remember, it was already on page 4 when I joined.

I'm out of here.

John Casler · « **Reply #49 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 02:09 am »

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However, I would not be surprised at all if the Pulsar turns out to be quieter than the Ridge Street....

Hi PA,

That is a very interesting comment. Forgetting who's or which cable we are talking about, "CAN" a cable be quieter than another? and if so, WHY?

Since cable cannot create sound, how could this be?

And if a truly neutral cable only "passes" signal, would a cable that doesn't pass, or filters "noise" sound "quieter"?

OR....

Does a cable create sound by providing "skin and or strand distortion/interaction"? Or creating and receiving EMI and or RFI???

Your comment gives rise to some interesting questions.

If a cable is quieter, is it passing signal? or filtering? or creating?

A little off topic, but and interesting question none the less.

zybar · « **Reply #50 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 02:18 am »

I have a cable that is SUPER, DUPER quiet...

Of course it isn't connected to anything!!

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

George

eico1 · « **Reply #51 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 02:45 am »

Quote from: John Casler

..That is a very interesting comment. Forgetting who's or which cable we are talking about, "CAN" a cable be quieter than another? and if so, WHY?...

I'd guess most noise is dominated by the power amp with a cd source or the phono pre with lp.

It's interesting that cable manufacturers might not make such a claim but do not comment either way since this would be easy to measure.

If it is just better sheilding that is needed, it doesn't take an expensive cable to get.

Maybe "blacker background" just means a darker teflex covering.

steve

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #52 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 02:46 am »

Quote from: John Casler

A little off topic, but and interesting question none the less.

Hey John,

Start a new thread...

The answer, according to VenHaus, has to do with microphonics. Robert Schult has mentioned the same answer about his cables. I just think that an extruded, synthetic cable can be made to much stricter tolerances and less prone to environmental changes than a naturally insulated cable. An extruder capable of making the Pulsar costs *at least* one million dollars. In this particular case we're talking about RF signal transmission, which I think it's a whole different ball game.

***

Hey Josh,

I dance by myself, but only to practice!

¡Adiós!

maxwalrath · « **Reply #53 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 01:25 pm »

Quote from: Psychicanimal

An extruder capable of making the Pulsar costs *at least* one million dollars.

I'm curious...what's the deal?

John B · « **Reply #54 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 01:28 pm »

The most dramatic differences I've noticed in cables, be they speaker or interconnect, has been when I've gone from copper to silver, or shielded to unshielded....the latter producing better sonics to my ears.

Jon L · « **Reply #55 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 05:38 pm »

Quote from: John B

The most dramatic differences I've noticed in cables, be they speaker or interconnect, has been when I've gone from copper to silver, or shielded to unshielded....the latter producing better sonics to my ears.

I've gone through the cycles myself in cables:
copper->silver->copper/silver->better copper->better silver->gold alloy->gold->next?
Right now, I can only achieve that system "lock" only by combining gold, copper, silver at various places and tuning.

As far as shielding:
Shielding->heavier shielding->no shielding->shielding again->now active shielding

They don't call it audio merry-go-around for nothing, I guess.

John B · « **Reply #56 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 07:11 pm »

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copper->silver->copper/silver->better copper->better silver->gold alloy->gold->next?

Carbon!

http://www.ncsu.edu/chemistry/cbg/Research/Graphitic/graphitic1.html

cryotweaks · « **Reply #57 on:** 22 Apr 2004, 07:36 pm »

Carbon nanotubes... The next revolution.

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"...Scientists have predicted that carbon nanotubes would conduct
heat nearly as well as diamond or sapphire, and preliminary
experiments seem to confirm their prediction. So nanotubes
could efficiently cool very dense arrays of devices. And because
the bonds among carbon atoms are so much stronger
than those in any metal, nanotubes can transport terrific
amounts of electric current—the latest measurements show
that a bundle of nanotubes one square centimeter in cross
section could conduct about one billion amps. Such high currents
would vaporize copper or gold..."

"...For example, researchers are currently debating exactly
how electrons move along a nanotube. It appears that in defect-
free nanotubes, electrons travel “ballistically”—that is,
without any of the scattering that gives metal wires their resistance.
When electrons can travel long distances without
scattering, they maintain their quantum states, which is the
key to observing effects such as the interference between electron
waves. A lack of scattering may also help explain why
nanotubes appear to preserve the “spin” state of electrons as
they surf along. (Electron spin is a quantum property, not a
rotation.) Some researchers are now trying to make use of this unusual behavior to construct “spintronic” devices that switch on or off in
response to electrons’ spin, rather than merely to their charge, as electronic devices do. Similarly, at the small size of a nanotube,
the flow of electrons can be controlled with almost perfect precision...."

- Scientific American, December 2000

High current speaker wires as fine as a human hair. How cool would that be?

Oxia · « **Reply #58 on:** 24 Apr 2004, 05:16 am »

Why wait? Carbon cables have been available for some time. The van den Hul "First Ultimate" and "The Second" are excellent cables. The latter is my long-term reference, and I have yet to find a more neutral and overall satisfying cable. It's also noteworthy to mention that cabon is RF transparent and doesn't suffer from "skin effect" or phase shift.