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« on: 23 Apr 2011, 03:30 pm »
   What combos have you found that have a synergy. I've found using a V-cap TFTF as the input coupling cap and a Jensen PIO for the output coulping [ Alum. body] works very well. Using two V-caps was a bit to much Teflon sound. The Jensen brought the body back. Curious as to your experiences.



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« Reply #1 on: 23 Apr 2011, 03:44 pm »
   What combos have you found that have a synergy. I've found using a V-cap TFTF as the input coupling cap and a Jensen PIO for the output coulping [ Alum. body] works very well. Using two V-caps was a bit to much Teflon sound. The Jensen brought the body back. Curious as to your experiences.



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Charles, was this done in your Cyber 211 amps?

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« Reply #2 on: 23 Apr 2011, 04:08 pm »
  Yes. Between the GE 211s and all V-caps[tin in oil] it lost the body and soul. When I was using  RCA 211s the V-caps were heaven.
  The tone of the Jensen PIO is seductive but veiled compared to V-cap. Oye !. Next up is a Jensen PIO with copper tube.
   The preamp uses MIT multicaps and Audiocap Thetas. Thinking about V-cap cu first then Audiocap Cu then V-cap cu in last position. Oh the fun.


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« Reply #3 on: 24 Apr 2011, 07:27 pm »
charles, try the V-Cap cu.  They're excellent and ime different from, and complementary to, the TFTF sound you're wanting to moderate.

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« Reply #4 on: 25 Apr 2011, 04:32 pm »
charles, try the V-Cap cu.  They're excellent and ime different from, and complementary to, the TFTF sound you're wanting to moderate.
 

They are on te short list, with the new Deuland "Alexander" PIO.


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« Reply #5 on: 10 Sep 2011, 01:06 pm »
Has anyone tried smaller uf Mundorfs Silver Oil bypassing larger uf Auricaps?  Is there such a thing as as mismatching/incompatibility? 

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« Reply #6 on: 10 Sep 2011, 02:01 pm »
  I replaced Auri cap with Mundorf Silver/oil in my amp before yielding to the V-cap Tin/oil. The Mundorf had a bit more detail than the Auri and the top end was not as hot. Never by passed though with that combo.
  The bypass cap affects the top end mostly IMO, so be carefull as to the character of the cap you choose.
  You can rad the cap shootout her or check out Jimmys Junk Yard cap shootout. They describe a lot about most caps available. Have fun . Just remember there is no one size fits all.


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« Reply #7 on: 10 Sep 2011, 02:04 pm »

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« Reply #8 on: 10 Sep 2011, 03:19 pm »
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It produces very neutral sound, transparent, almost nothing (like direct coupling). But some people don’t like this kind of ‘sterile’ sound. Not analog, some people complaint.

Just saw this in the article and am puzzled by his combination of terms.

If it is "neutral", I am wondering how it can be "sterile" sounding? 

Here are some definitions of "neutral" from the dictionary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Neutral

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3. of no distinctive quality, characteristics, or type; indifferent

1. Not aligned with, supporting, or favoring either side in a war, dispute, or contest.

2. Belonging to neither side in a controversy: on neutral ground.

6. Physics
b. Of or relating to a particle, object, or system that has a net electric charge of zero.

It appears to me that "neutral" does not alter the sound. So how can it make something sterile unless the input is already sterile, has problems. I would think a "neutral" sound would result in an instrument sounding live, emotional etc like the instrument itself.

I have heard "transparent" and "direct coupling" sound sterile though. Has to do with improper harmonic structure in circuit/tube/component.

Anyway, mixing caps can be performed, but one had better be very careful, especially with very expensive caps. Have to also be very careful with the uf size, large enough, if accuracy is to be attained. One can lose their shirt in a real hurry.

Cheers.
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« Reply #9 on: 20 Sep 2011, 10:24 pm »
I have noticed that most of the 'studies' done on caps were with loudspeaker crossovers.  It seems that the caps upgrades are most significant with loudspeakers.  Would caps upgrades with sources like CD players be as significant? 

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« Reply #10 on: 20 Sep 2011, 11:48 pm »
Any synergy with cap combos is system specific. There are some safer chioces if you don't know what to try. Anything Panasonic makes is a good start. Really though, capacitors are like spices in cooking. I have been suprised with expensive caps not sounding good and cheapies sounding quite good depending on the application AND the listener. Then there is break-in :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: 20 Sep 2011, 11:59 pm »
50jess,

I think there are just as many positive opinions about upgrading signal caps as there are speaker caps.

  The tone of the Jensen PIO is seductive but veiled compared to V-cap.

Charles,
I know I sound like a broken record, but if you really liked the Jensen cap except for its lack of detail, then you should try the Audio Note copper cap. It may be the best of both worlds.

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« Reply #12 on: 21 Sep 2011, 06:08 pm »
Would caps upgrades with sources like CD players be as significant?
Oh yes. Low ESR types for the power supply and signal caps help open things up.

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« Reply #13 on: 22 Sep 2011, 12:21 am »
Does anyone has insight(s) regarding the synergy of a Auricap bypassed by MUndorf S/O?