BCD-1 Issue

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BCD-1 Issue
« on: 6 Mar 2011, 09:44 am »
Hi James: As I go through my collection I have noticed that my BCD-1 will not read several discs which will play without issue in my laptop, DVR's, car stereo, the two other CDP's ( both with Phillips drives )  I own and my PS3. The discs are immaculately clean and show no visible damage. BCD-1 s/n is 1001394 and unit has exhibited this issue since day one - I have a fairly large collection and there are many discs I still have never played in my BCD-1 so it appears that the number of problematic discs may grow as more of them see the inside of my BCD-1. The unit appears unable to read them - the display says " Reading" and that's as far as I get - it will remain at this point until I eject the disc. Your thoughts ?

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #1 on: 6 Mar 2011, 12:04 pm »
Hi James: As I go through my collection I have noticed that my BCD-1 will not read several discs which will play without issue in my laptop, DVR's, car stereo, the two other CDP's ( both with Phillips drives )  I own and my PS3. The discs are immaculately clean and show no visible damage. BCD-1 s/n is 1001394 and unit has exhibited this issue since day one - I have a fairly large collection and there are many discs I still have never played in my BCD-1 so it appears that the number of problematic discs may grow as more of them see the inside of my BCD-1. The unit appears unable to read them - the display says " Reading" and that's as far as I get - it will remain at this point until I eject the disc. Your thoughts ?

Thanks
D.D.

Sounds like the drive laser is having a problem.

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #2 on: 6 Mar 2011, 03:39 pm »
Send it in ?

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #3 on: 6 Mar 2011, 04:04 pm »
Send it in ?

D.D.

Yes I would and please include one of the CD's that will not play.

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #4 on: 6 Mar 2011, 07:53 pm »
Yes I would and please include one of the CD's that will not play.

james

Will do. Thanks, James.

And thank you, Phillips. 2nd CDP in a row with a Phillips drive that crapped out prematurely.  :thumbdown:
But you know what they say about CD drives: Spin fast, die young and leave a good-looking drawer...

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #5 on: 6 Mar 2011, 08:12 pm »
Gremlins!

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #6 on: 6 Mar 2011, 11:57 pm »
So perhaps there is a better drive that can fit our great player (BCD-1) ? :dunno:

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #7 on: 7 Mar 2011, 12:08 am »
So perhaps there is a better drive that can fit our great player (BCD-1) ? :dunno:

I have had some customers ask why we chose this specific Phillips L1210 CD Drive for our current BCD-1 CD Player.

The search for the drive was not an easy task. The problem is that there are not many ‘CD dedicated’ drives out there.  By CD dedicated I mean ones that have a ‘clocking’ frequency which is a multiple of the 44.1KHz, which is the standard for Redbook CD.  Most drives are DVD drives which play CD’s and have clocking frequencies in the mega-Hz region and have to be converted to a lower clock frequencies to play a CD. By the way, this is true of the SACD drives we looked at which also are typically DVD drives that play CD’s and SACD’s.

We wanted to optimize the Redbook CD Playback so we were restricted to certain available drives. We looked at 5 different drives and choose the Phillips L1210 drive for some specific reasons:

1. It was readily available
2. It had a history in the market of long-term reliability.
3. Easily serviced
4. It was a dedicated CD drive with proper clocking frequencies
5. The drive is not anywhere near as important as the DAC, the dedicated digital/analog Power Supply, and the Discrete Class A Output stage
6. When running it was ‘dead quite’

The last one is important because once the CD is lifted from the tray to rotate below the laser the construction and materials that make up the tray are irrelevant.

Given the choices we made the selection in favor of the best Redbook performance available.


James

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #8 on: 7 Mar 2011, 12:11 am »
James - has the drive or something else been changed in recent BCD-1s?  I stopped by the local deal (to hear Maggie 1.7s) and my friend who was helping the owner out point out how non-clunky the BCD-1 drive was.  I sold mine about a year back and got the BDA-1 and it definitely was less clunky than mine opening and closing.

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #9 on: 7 Mar 2011, 12:27 am »
James - I believe that the Philips drive is not available anymore, so are you considering an update (with a different drive) to the BCD-1 or will it reach end-of-life when you run out of stock?

Nap.

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #10 on: 7 Mar 2011, 01:28 am »
James - I believe that the Philips drive is not available anymore, so are you considering an update (with a different drive) to the BCD-1 or will it reach end-of-life when you run out of stock?

Nap.

We bought 1000 drives and have plenty of stock.

james

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #11 on: 7 Mar 2011, 01:29 am »
James - has the drive or something else been changed in recent BCD-1s?  I stopped by the local deal (to hear Maggie 1.7s) and my friend who was helping the owner out point out how non-clunky the BCD-1 drive was.  I sold mine about a year back and got the BDA-1 and it definitely was less clunky than mine opening and closing.

Same drive just we fine tune it before it goes out.

james

Phil A

Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #12 on: 7 Mar 2011, 01:53 am »
Same drive just we fine tune it before it goes out.

james

Good job - it was much quieter opening and closing

Napalm

Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #13 on: 7 Mar 2011, 02:09 am »
Dunno about you guys, but I'm refraining from cycling the tray while playing discs.

Nap.  :green:

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #14 on: 7 Mar 2011, 02:57 am »
Gremlins!

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No, Nap, it's bad audio juju! I must offer sacrifice to the displeased multi-national gods of mass-produced electronic components with sketchy quality control. Anybody see a terrified goat go tearin' by here in the last couple of minutes?

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Napalm

Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #15 on: 7 Mar 2011, 03:32 am »
Just wait until you meet the Blu-Gremlins!

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #16 on: 7 Mar 2011, 03:37 am »
Just wait until you meet the Blu-Gremlins!

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We are up to our ears in those things!

Be well...

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #17 on: 7 Mar 2011, 04:36 am »
Just wait until you meet the Blu-Gremlins!

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You're right... the blue ones are particularly hideous... :D


Eyeeewww...

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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #18 on: 7 Mar 2011, 04:39 am »
We are up to our ears in those things!

Be well...

That's what happens when you get 'em wet !
Hey, look what the BCD-1 just spit out...




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Re: BCD-1 Issue
« Reply #19 on: 7 Mar 2011, 02:57 pm »
From engineering:

The laser unit could be the problem if the BCD1 plays discs sometimes but other times it won't.

If certain discs consistently fail to play while others play without any problem,
more than likely, these discs contain a data track or other non-redbook files,
or a copy protection the BCD1 can't handle