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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #40 on: 10 Jan 2011, 11:22 pm »
What about a JLTi phono???

LOL, Sorry, forgot you're the OP.  :oops:
I think the JLTI is around $2600.

From what I've read, the Jasmine & Nighthawk are the ones to check out. Some people say the Jasmine is significantly better. I'm sure there are those who prefer the Nighthawk. But that's reading, not listening. The problem is that both are sold direct, AFAIK. They prob have a trial period - returnable if not satisfied. There are threads on Asylum and I think Karma, that discuss the Jasmine & Nighthawk if you want more opinions from actual users. I read a couple of posts where people switched from one to the other. I never owned or heard either.
Maybe you should consider the Pioneer as well. From what John says though, the MC stage isn't that great. The Pioneer could also drive a second system somewhere in the house. Depends on what you're looking for.
 
John,
I saw a pic of the Nighthawk with the top off. I saw the ICs and assumed that was what you were talking about. Although the headphone amp may have op amps, it doesn't mean the phono pre also has. Drive requirements are very different. There's no spkr load on a phono pre. I'd keep an open mind. The Nighthawk is said to have great bass and not be overly bright.

Jasmine is Chinese and it seems like they got this one right. BTW I think this is the 2nd or 3rd version. Very tough to compete when they get it right, which is rarer then you might think. Many dissatisfied owners of Chinese gear. It might be no big deal if a toaster stops working, but if you paid good money for a component.....
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« Reply #41 on: 10 Jan 2011, 11:54 pm »
Many dissatisfied owners of Chinese gear. It might be no big deal if a toaster stops working, but if you paid good money for a component.....
neo

..If they want to hear the sound of the audiophile wrath... :lol:

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« Reply #42 on: 11 Jan 2011, 02:43 am »
LOL, Sorry, forgot you're the OP.  :oops:
I think the JLTI is around $2600.

Someone PM'd me selling one at a more realistic price...

Any experience with it???

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« Reply #43 on: 11 Jan 2011, 02:48 am »
LOL, Sorry, forgot you're the OP.  :oops:
I think the JLTI is around $2600.

From what I've read, the Jasmine & Nighthawk are the ones to check out. Some people say the Jasmine is significantly better. I'm sure there are those who prefer the Nighthawk. But that's reading, not listening. The problem is that both are sold direct, AFAIK. They prob have a trial period - returnable if not satisfied. There are threads on Asylum and I think Karma, that discuss the Jasmine & Nighthawk if you want more opinions from actual users. I read a couple of posts where people switched from one to the other. I never owned or heard either.
Maybe you should consider the Pioneer as well. From what John says though, the MC stage isn't that great. The Pioneer could also drive a second system somewhere in the house. Depends on what you're looking for.
 
John,
I saw a pic of the Nighthawk with the top off. I saw the ICs and assumed that was what you were talking about. Although the headphone amp may have op amps, it doesn't mean the phono pre also has. Drive requirements are very different. There's no spkr load on a phono pre. I'd keep an open mind. The Nighthawk is said to have great bass and not be overly bright.

Jasmine is Chinese and it seems like they got this one right. BTW I think this is the 2nd or 3rd version. Very tough to compete when they get it right, which is rarer then you might think. Many dissatisfied owners of Chinese gear. It might be no big deal if a toaster stops working, but if you paid good money for a component.....
neo

Ray gives you 30 days on the Nighthawk.  I decided to keep mine after 1 day. Using it with my VPI Clasic and Benz Wood SL.

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« Reply #44 on: 11 Jan 2011, 04:01 pm »
Someone PM'd me selling one at a more realistic price...

Any experience with it???

Actually, no. These threads lately on phono stages got me curious and I was wondering what people thought. Eventually, the consensus can give you a rough idea where to look, but results vary so much it's a crap shoot if you jump on board, unheard. If you have a good price on a used JLTi, I can understand where that would be tempting. You prob wouldn't have a return option, and I'm unsure how easy to resell if you wanted to. I already saw the threads on Asylum and Karma about the Jasmine. I found this one interesting on the JLTi:
http://forums.naimaudio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/48019385/m/3182912717

People are so definitive with their results. Why do they assume those results apply to everyone? I guess the same goes for reviewers. All they can do is tell you associated equipment and what they thought. My expertise is very dated. I haven't been in the market for a phono stage for a very long time. If needed, I could describe the difference between my AHT and a Vendetta, but I don't think that'll help.
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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #45 on: 12 Jan 2011, 02:03 am »
Does anyone know what the output impedance of the Jasmine LP 2.0SE is?  My preamp is a passive, would like to know if it would be a match.


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« Reply #46 on: 12 Jan 2011, 04:31 am »
Someone PM'd me selling one at a more realistic price...

Any experience with it???

Audio Revelation is selling a MK3i version (w/o external ps) for $1695 on AudiogoN.

Even if Chinese gear sounds good, I still have a "problem" buying anything from a country that refuses to value its currency relative to the dollar, which amounts to "currency manipulation"! So while the Chinese gear may be cheap, us audiophools are supporting this practice and helping China build up its trade surplus to boot! I ended up keeping the Nighthawk, not only for its sound, but also because it is made in the USA. I have never heard the Jasmine and I would not buy one even if sounded like angels singing, but that's just me. And now, I shall get of my soap box.  :roll:

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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #47 on: 12 Jan 2011, 05:32 am »
Does anyone know what the output impedance of the Jasmine LP 2.0SE is?  My preamp is a passive, would like to know if it would be a match.

No specs for output impedance on their web site. Unless your volume control is extremely low impedance, I think it should be OK. Normally the critical match up is between passive and power amp. The resistive value of the volume control has to be equal or less than the input impedance of the amp.
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« Reply #48 on: 12 Jan 2011, 06:05 am »
Audio Revelation is selling a MK3i version (w/o external ps) for $1695 on AudiogoN.

Even if Chinese gear sounds good, I still have a "problem" buying anything from a country that refuses to value its currency relative to the dollar, which amounts to "currency manipulation"! So while the Chinese gear may be cheap, us audiophools are supporting this practice and helping China build up its trade surplus to boot! I ended up keeping the Nighthawk, not only for its sound, but also because it is made in the USA. I have never heard the Jasmine and I would not buy one even if sounded like angels singing, but that's just me. And now, I shall get of my soap box.  :roll:

Scary isn't it? National debt 14 trillion and climbing. I wonder when the interest will be too much to pay. Well, not really, most of the time I try not to think about it.
A friend was over the other night and told me he saw a show about it. Apparently they built the largest container ship in the world. I guess this thing is like a supertanker. But it can do 25 knots. All it does is load up and go to CA, exclusively to supply Walmart. It takes a couple of days to unload then heads back to China - empty. Guess another preamp won't make much difference.
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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #49 on: 31 Jan 2011, 01:42 pm »
The Nighthawk looks interesting...

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« Reply #50 on: 31 Jan 2011, 03:19 pm »
A slightly different perspective from over the pond.

I spent quite a bit of time comparing some highly repsected units around this sort of budget covering MM/MI/HOMC and LOMC bases

Trichord Dino
Pro-ject Phonobox SEII
Dynavector P75

I ended up with the Project, it really shone through in this mix and for me remains a true bargain in the world of vinyl.

Cheers
Dave

I have a Project SEII and I didn't like very much with my set up. I have tried several phono-only sections and none of them have held a candle to my $200 second-hand Nakamichi CA-5 full preamp. I even liked my modded Rotel RQ-970BX phonostage better, it has much better imaging and a larger sound-stage. But then again I'm using a Ortofon X5-MC cartridge, seems to be a dark horse here on AC.

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« Reply #51 on: 31 Jan 2011, 04:03 pm »
Scary isn't it? National debt 14 trillion and climbing. I wonder when the interest will be too much to pay. Well, not really, most of the time I try not to think about it.
A friend was over the other night and told me he saw a show about it. Apparently they built the largest container ship in the world. I guess this thing is like a supertanker. But it can do 25 knots. All it does is load up and go to CA, exclusively to supply Walmart. It takes a couple of days to unload then heads back to China - empty. Guess another preamp won't make much difference.
neo

Sounds like an urban legend to me (not the deficit, which is all too real, unfortunately :()

The berths to unload containers at US ports are sized to accommodate only the largest current ones available - 45 footers they are referred to. No special berths at US Ports could be economically built for only Walmart.

Walmart/Sam's normally order via 40HQ containers (which are 40' long containers with an extra several inches height inside the container)

Delta Wave
In some respects the Ortofon X5-MC is the best moving whatever cartridge I have ever heard.  The earlier ones had much lower mass cantilevers and are reported to be the best of the bunch.  I have one of the later examples - with a heavy, honkin' pipe that hurts the cause.

It tracks fair-to-poor the way I have it and the bass is too tepid to be taken seriously much of the time.  But lord, is it ever smooth and wonderfully extended in (treble) sonics.

I keep thinking about sending away to Mr. van den Hul for a re-tip to see how far the breed can be taken  :!:

John

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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #52 on: 31 Jan 2011, 05:30 pm »
Delta Wave
In some respects the Ortofon X5-MC is the best moving whatever cartridge I have ever heard.  The earlier ones had much lower mass cantilevers and are reported to be the best of the bunch.  I have one of the later examples - with a heavy, honkin' pipe that hurts the cause.

It tracks fair-to-poor the way I have it and the bass is too tepid to be taken seriously much of the time.  But lord, is it ever smooth and wonderfully extended in (treble) sonics.

I keep thinking about sending away to Mr. van den Hul for a re-tip to see how far the breed can be taken  :!:

John

John,

I think you should go for it and let me know how it works out, mine is getting up there in hours. I must have an older one, I've never had any tracking issues, even on a few warped records. The bass is fast and deep. I also built my arm from parts and know exactly how dialed-in it is. I can't really see spending $$$$ on an upgrade although I am curious about the Grado Master and the Benz Glider, just to compare. I've been extremely happy with it thus far. Just playing the MoFi Beck "Sea Change" always puts a ginormous grin on my face.

-David

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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #53 on: 31 Jan 2011, 06:02 pm »
Sounds like an urban legend to me (not the deficit, which is all too real, unfortunately :()

The berths to unload containers at US ports are sized to accommodate only the largest current ones available - 45 footers they are referred to. No special berths at US Ports could be economically built for only Walmart.

Walmart/Sam's normally order via 40HQ containers (which are 40' long containers with an extra several inches height inside the container)

John

Hi John,
It's not the size of the containers, it's the number of containers - size of the ship. 2006:
http://www.gizmag.com/go/5853/

2008?
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2008/emma-maersk-p1.php

neo


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« Reply #54 on: 31 Jan 2011, 06:56 pm »
I have an older X5MC here (at least 10 years old). I inspected it and the stylus looks fine. I always liked it. No tracking problems ever. Maybe I'll throw it back on.

I'm using a Nova Phenomena Pre and it is excellent!! No loss of slam at all, as John has mentioned with this pre.

I also have a Jasmine LP2.0 MKII coming. Gophers fault!

We'll see how these compare but the Nova is a really nice Phono Pre.
I also think wires have much to do about the sound.
The WyWires just make everything happen.
Yea, that's a plug for Alex.


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Re: Recommendations on a new phono pre-amp...
« Reply #55 on: 31 Jan 2011, 07:24 pm »
John,

I think you should go for it and let me know how it works out, mine is getting up there in hours. I must have an older one, I've never had any tracking issues, even on a few warped records. The bass is fast and deep. I also built my arm from parts and know exactly how dialed-in it is. I can't really see spending $$$$ on an upgrade although I am curious about the Grado Master and the Benz Glider, just to compare. I've been extremely happy with it thus far. Just playing the MoFi Beck "Sea Change" always puts a ginormous grin on my face.

-David

What kind of mass are you running on that arm you built?

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« Reply #56 on: 31 Jan 2011, 07:34 pm »
What kind of mass are you running on that arm you built?

It's definitely on the medium side... The arm tube is a heavier SS from an earlier 3009. The headshell is a Micro Seiki. The weight is a standard 110g. I'm using a light, 4g Project anti-skate weight. It's hard-wired w/ Cardas from headshell connector to RCA.

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« Reply #57 on: 1 Feb 2011, 03:31 pm »
It's definitely on the medium side... The arm tube is a heavier SS from an earlier 3009. The headshell is a Micro Seiki. The weight is a standard 110g. I'm using a light, 4g Project anti-skate weight. It's hard-wired w/ Cardas from headshell connector to RCA.

The reason I asked is...........if you were looking at running a Grado cart, 13g or less on the arm (eff) mass.  If you get much above that, it gets a bit bloated in the bottom, and 2D.  If you're interested in what an upscale Grado may sound like on your arm, you might want to get in on a Bicycle tour of one that is going to Neo first. Albeit, not a Grado Master but it will give you an idea of what to expect. Dave has download clips of the cart on his web site.
http://daveyw.edsstuff.org/index.htm

Marc