Recommendations for tubes for Mapletree Audio Ultra 4A SE preamp

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Alexdad54

Thought I would share some tweaks I've put on my Ultra 4SE over the past year.

My plan was to improve the MM phono stage and to this end I had Dr Lloyd replace the 12sc7 sockets with 12ax7. This was to my ears a night and day improvement in clarity, putting in the Sovtek 12AX7LPS works wonders, something more pricey like a pair of NOS RCA 12AX7 are fantastic.

Ive also had the JJ electrolytic in the PSU chassis replaced with Mundorf polyprops and have adapted a CRCRC arrangement over the original CRC design. The 100u cap off the 6x5 was rather abusive so running a 30u off that with 2 x 100u. This along with some small bypass caps on the electrolytics in the main chassis has dropped the noise floor nicely.

Are any other members here still rolling tubes in their 4SE's? Currently have PSVANE 12AX7 and Shugaung CV181's in mine. I had the 7812 regulator in the PSU uprated to 1.5A so I may brave some ECC32 one day, the plate voltage should still be in spec! ~200V

~On the rectifier front the Brimar 6X5 sounds magical in the PSU section, the Sylvania 6X5W (gold) didnt sound as great. anyone try the EZ80 at all with an adapter?
Hi Sanraal,
Could you expand on the reasons for your tweaks, the PSU in particular?
I ask because I'm having Jim Nicholl (of JWN Amps), who recently built a beautiful KT-88-based amp for me, look it over to tweak the Mapletree a bit and hopefully isolate and fix the source of a hum that it has had since day one. I ran some tests and determined that it is definitely the Mapletree that is the source of the hum but until now, didn't have anyone to help me with it.
Apart from the phono tweak, what are the benefits of the others?
I'm going to try the Brimar rectifier tube (I've been using a Mullard) and check out the other tubes mentioned as well.....
« Last Edit: 3 Jun 2012, 03:42 pm by Alexdad54 »

sanraal

Disclaimer here - I'm not a tube amp expert so please don't quote me on this stuff!

My amp had several "bugs" when I first acquired it, the first is that it wont accept a MC step up transformer to be used without a lot of noise on the signal path, my dealer thought this could be either down to RF pick-up through the transformer or down to the earth bar type grounding arrangement rather than star earthing. It also had a high noise floor with a slight mains component on it.

The power supply mods I did were for clearing up the hiss hash and hum. As my amp is hard-wired as a phono stage with no volume or balance pots its always set at max gain. This is about 60dB if memory serves. Testing done on this so far, and please take into account audio memory (wish I had used a Lindos now) indicates an improved noise floor with some improvement in micro-detail and dynamics.

I haven't tested a MC step up transformer yet with the new PSU, however I use an Audio Note MM IQ3 cart which is on par with most MC's costing less than £2000 (that I've heard) so no real problem here.

The mods also served to make life a little easier on the 6x5 by reducing the value of the first cap straight off the rectifier (This should be less than 40uF) whilst maintaining a CRC design. I didn't want to use an inductor in case it introduced unwanted noise and possibly change the sonic signature of the amp.

The PSU is now CRCRC with a similar series resistance but 3 Mundorf polyprop "tube caps" instead of the 100 + 100 JJ electrolytic. Also gone is the ceramic resistor, replaced with Mills wire-wounds. There are also .47uF bypass caps on the PSU caps both in the PSU and Amp chassis, these again are targeted at higher frequency noise and hash on the B+

Btw I used PSUD2 to come up with the PSU design and crunch the numbers. The PSU has a nominal B+ of about 180-200V

The phono tweaks are based on the tube change from 12sc7 > 12ax7, see my last post. Ive also stuffed the amp section with Mundorf silver foil in oil caps and Audio Note tantalum resistors. Slight overkill yes, but boy does the amp sound great.

If I had more time and money to invest I would probably need to get a new case and go star earthing in the amp, the amp chassis is now completely full.

Some other things I can add about the PSU, if you want to roll the rectifier try these tubes, Brimar 6x5, Tungsol VT-126b (the military one with the discrete heaters and plates), Sylvania 6x5w - one of those will suit most tastes. The mods that I've done seem to make the PSU even more sensitive to tube rolling, and this is the essence of the joy of owning a Mapletree product!

Dr Lloyd would be the best person to contact about any hum issues you have, you could go armed with what sort of level is the hum relative to the audio, is it present on line and phono? Is it amplified with the signal or independant? Is there a mains component to your hum?

Hope this helps and GL

sanraal


sanraal

Looks like the thread has dropped off somewhat - but for those looking for a one stop tube rolling thread for this preamp ill add here rather than creating a new post!

Tried the EZ80 with adapter in the PSU - fantastic sounding combination. I used a Telefunken EZ80 and this not only improved the sonic's over the 6x5 but it cleared up my power supply's mechanical hum too!

Well worth a roll.

Ericus Rex

The NOS Tung Sol 6SN7 is my favorite of the brands I've tried.  A quick look on ebay shows the 12V version to sell for under $10 each.  I think I have the tall-bottle version but will have to look to be sure.