[toobluvr]

Goodness me,I have a simple Raysonic CD-128 in a fully insulated 13.5x22' room and if i have it on with its 4 little tubes,it helps heat up the room in the middle of winter with the furnace off,summer is even worse.I also had a AR reference 2mk2 preamp,and it will also heat up the room,so i am sure a 200w tube amp will heat up a room.

Damn!  That must be some good insulation!   

I have a tubed cdp, tubed line stage, and tubed amp and I can't say I feel its effect on room temps whatsoever.

[CABrystonOwner10]

For what it is worth, I currently own two VT200's. The older VT200 drives our HT front channels while a 9BSST drive the surrounds. The newer VT200 is a dedicated music amp.

The 9BSST is an impressive piece of gear but it cannot quite completely replace our VTs yet. 9B can reveal instruments hidden by the VT but it cannot render each instrument to the fullest micro details. The VT seems to hide instruments when it gets complex but when it can focus on a few, it manages to resolve the details beautifully. I have no clue why this is so but it is what it is. 

Do I enjoy the 9B? Absolutely! We are actually very impressed by the 9B. At this level, I prefer to enjoy it than to nitpick.

Am I happy with the VT200? Absolutely. At this level of performance, what is there not to like? I also enjoy visiting my sister and listen to her 7B .

So we are happy to have tube and SS in the same house.

In the future, when my kids are done with college, my dream set-up would be a Bryston-run music/HT set-up replacing the VT200-front with a 14BSST2 or 28B and add BCD-1 and preamp and phono. The music room will sport the ARC Ref 610T or whatever model ARC cooks up by then and all new ARC LS and CD and PH amp. This means I will always have a sanctuary when wife and her friends arrive to take over one of these rooms. It also means never having to go "silent", as in no music, when the ARC gear goes in for tube changes and bias work.

[CABrystonOwner10]

The VT200 does run hot and will heat a room right quick. This is even a room about 20x25 in size. We actually do take advantage of ours in Winter. What plays wonderful Christmas music and heats the house? 

Visiting kids are often mesmerized by the warm jewel-like glow of the tubes especially when lights are turned down. They would stand and stare for a long minute.

[rollo]

We have owned and used both the Bryston 4BST and Audi Research DR250 servo mk2 with the 3As. We liked them both however we fell for the AR instead.200W of tubes power is plenty. The ribbons never sounded better to our ears with the AR. Then the bass never sounded better with the Bryston. We felt the midrange and top was better served by the AR and decide to live with the bass. Please do not take that as the bass was not good it was wonderfull just not as punchy. Thats all.
  Lots of tubes, 32 to be exact. It was bliss. The only one to make this choice is you. A demo is mandatory. It is just that simple. Opinions are fine like this one but in the end its your ears and system. IMO one is NOT better just preference.  They are both great amps as applied.


charles

[Sasha]

Actually repairing tube gear is cheaper than solid state.
You blow a few output devices on a SS amp and it could get expensive fast to match them all.

Sasha thanks for the hit... did I attack you personally?

Some of you boys are just....boys

Not a hit, but a hint that you are not contributing anything positive to this discussion, and it is not the first time you barge in with statements along the lines that SS (and specifically Bryston) is junk while the tubes are it.
That was the customary theme of your previous posts and you know well what it resulted in.
You either have not heard good setup with SS amplification or you are trolling.

[CABrystonOwner10]

...
You guys use this Bryston circle to slap each other on the back, cmon guys get over it, some of your threads are downright silly, "what do you like most about Bryston? Bryston doesn't make music, music makes Bryston, Bryston in movies, cmon people are laughing! Like children.

I would love to know what each and everyone of you guys owned BEFORE you bought Bryston, I would love to know how much experience you have.
If you guys are just coming off Adcom or Onkyo recievers, you guys need gravitas to be taken seriously.

How about starting a thread that documents what you guys went thru before you reached Bryston.

I believe that would be a very interesting thread.
...

Hey Mike,

Time to give this up.

Your feedback started well at first, though a bit defensive and heated for unknown reasons. Now you have crossed a line. The quoted content above is very juvenile stuff and I had a good laugh myself. It serves no purpose and demands to be ignored. We will just keep discussing our interests and our experience as though your posts do not exist.

Don't Feed the Trolls.

Cheers!

Oh yes, Without Music, Courtesy and Mutual Respect, Life Would be a Waste.

[sts9fan]

Mike
Who cares?  Why do you care?  Why do you feel it's your duty to shit on their good time?  This is not serious stuff. It's a hobby. 

[mclsound]

Hey Mr. Topdown,You should head back to your tubes and enjoy them a little more.I see the relation between you and MF now.

[toobluvr]

Hey Mr. Topdown,You should head back to your tubes and enjoy them a little more.I see the relation between you and MF now.

A man has friends.  A man has his own opinions and preferences about audio.

What in the hell does one have to do with the other?!
 

[werd]

A man has friends.  A man has his own opinions and preferences about audio.

What in the hell does one have to do with the other?!
 

Hey toob, toob bad it wasn't a Bryston that blew up you. It would have got fixed by now.

[CABrystonOwner10]

A man has friends.  A man has his own opinions and preferences about audio.

What in the hell does one have to do with the other?!
 

Toobluvr,

You are right, so what's up with the poster "Mike"? Care to explain? Or is there some sort of tube-vs-SS war going on that blinds everyone to all forms of decorum? You will stand up for "Mike"? 

Mike has crossed the line into personal attacks. Some people are passionate about their hobbies or beliefs. Some people have an inferiority complex and tend to be pompous, pretentious and need some "thing" to buttress their self-esteem. I am surprised to find such people using consumer electronics for such purpose? This is hilarious! You can start a nasty argument over a stupid piece of outdated technology? Over some metallic box that people want to charge you thousands for? All that just to play music? 

My goodness, some people here need to get a life, may be travel a bit to third-world countries to see how people there live their lives and stop trying to live in a made-up cocoon thinking overly high and mighty of themselves.

If you must, go sip wine, eat Tuscan olives somewhere and rub elbows with the rich and famous acting like you are very cultured  but do leave the rest of us here to talk about our simple hobby.

[werd]

Hey toob, toob bad it wasn't a Bryston that blew up you. It would have got fixed by now.

Sorry i take this back. poor taste

[Waker]

Even though the discourse here has taken on the tone of a blogosphere "tube party", my original goal of gaining insight toward a decision has been met and exceeded.  Now I just have to listen, but I will do so with some ideas of what to listen for.
I think some of us like to jackass circles--I know I have baited a few threads in my time here--like when I posted a pic of my B-line amps on a certain circle after having had some IEC sockets installed--downright heretical--it garnered over 3K hits, and a couple hundred more after the wastebin. 
But I don't want that to happen here on Bryston, where folks are more secure after having made their own journeys and are not just mouthing terms handed down to them.     
       

[toobluvr]

Sorry i take this back. poor taste

That's OK.  I actually got a chuckle out of it.
I'm not quite so easily offended as some on here.

Besides....a man who lusts after hot librarians can't be all that bad!   

[sts9fan]

so what's up with the poster "Mike"?

He thinks he knows what is right and good.  He is pretty sure his shit don't stink.  The great part is that he pulls his/a(?) company down into the gutter with him. 

[1oldguy]

Maybe this might help the consternation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK2hKzZss5Y

[woodsyi]

Folks,

I apologize for Mike's behavior.  He's got windmill in his head. 

I am doing this in public because I have already talked to him privately and I thought I got through to him.  I stand partially responsible since I vouched for his "good" behavior in the Executive Committee before un-restricting him. 





Mike, stop tilting at the enemy you envision in your head.  Audio Circle is better for having Bryston Circle.  It is better for having the NY RAVE group.  It is better for having all the circles that add up to make up what we are.  Bryston owners like Bryston gear and they talk about it in their circle.  Why do you have an issue with that?  You are crossing the line of decency when you attack their credibility by saying they have no gravitas and you do.  Audio Circle is not for those who act "holier than thou."  Your hubris is not letting you see that you don't speak from an objective platform.  You are insisting that your subjective reality trumps theirs.  This is not right.  Please respect other people's opinions if you want yours respected. 

Audio Circle is here to offer venues where we share our shared interests and experiences.  It's a big canopy and we have many circles under it.  People go in and out of these circles to find shared topics to talk about.  If you don't find anything in common that you can share in any given circle, leave it and go to another one.  If you can't find any, propose one in which you can gather like minded people to share your experience.  Please try not to impose your "reality" onto others, especially in their place.

Good people at Bryston Circle,

Mike is really a nice guy in person who has a great passion for music.  We will get him straightened out one way or another.  In the mean time, do take up on his offer for a RAVE party at his place if you can.  He does a lot of blustering but I have no doubt that he would make a great host for a party.  And in my book, anybody who throws a great party is a person who cares to share his passions with others. 

P.S.  Mikey, here is a definition of hubris just in case you don't know it:   Hubris means extreme haughtiness or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of touch with reality and overestimating one's own competence or capabilities.

[mclsound]

I have a passion for sound and will never ""cut down a company that has been around most of my life(Bryston,Mcintosh,etc.)simply because I am a MF fanboy!"" THEN,require people to stand up for me(no offence Woodsyi)...
I will howerver jump on a company that are out to simply screw people over(Lexicon,The Upgrade Company,etc)especially during these times...I have had a great time discovering audio(my wife....not so much) and I have learned plenty about what i am after...But one thing I have absolutely learned is that although Bryston may not be the """"BEST"""",their principals are solid,honest,and hey....YOU GET 20yrs of transferrable joy!  THAT IS SOLID AS IT GETS.
Why Topdown has such a problem on this circle is really a joke,but hey,i see where he gets it from.
ALSO..I love tubes,especially up to 100db.
john

[mcullinan]

The Fountainhead is also great! By Ayn Rand. Mike I knew I had you pegged for an idealist!
Mike

[werd]

Woodsyi,
sorry to dissappoint

Hubris..no not really, it may seem so but not really
My windmills are a little different than you might think

I appreciate you reaching out, you are a true gentleman.
If you read the above book you would understand where I come from, I abhor mob mentality.

I think you've confused our mob mentality with your clinical paranoia. There is something really wrong here, and it isn't a manufacturer board, circle or internet.