Shumann Resonator

rollo · « **on:** 7 Feb 2010, 05:10 pm »

Today we tried one. Then two. Let me start off with this. In our quest for the reproduction of the recording venue in our listening room we have been through it all in 30 plus years. Suffice to say its done.
Now comes along a salt crstal lamp for decoration. to our suprise it somehow improved imaging and sound field. WTF, is going on. a littleresearch said the lamp produced negative ions and a SHUMANN resonance of 7.83 hertz. So what is that. More research which I will not bore you with mentioned viscosity change in the air and management or elimination of existing magnetic fields. Beam me up Scoty. Kidding aside, it did something.
Ok I'm interested. Today we installed a R-77 Shumann resonator. The affect was immediate and to greater degree then the lamp. Te soundstage opened, images were clearly defined and an ease to the music was easy to discern.
Now the second installed. FUGETABOUTIT. We are still giggling over the results. Just so real sounding, truly a major improvement.
Without getting into all the audio verbal descriptions IMO this device has wrought the biggest and most important piece of the puzzle togrther. IT SOUNDS REAL.
One is VG two is better four will take you away. Before you spend another dime on your system try them, you will be greatly suprised as to the results.
Ther is an alternative to the Acoustic revive unit on AudioGon for $165, buy two. I know Sarafat [ R-77] and Topround [ copy] are aboard and will confirm our findings. We are buying two to start.

charles

ted_b · « **Reply #1 on:** 7 Feb 2010, 05:17 pm »

I wouldn't do without my RR-77!

That being said, I wonder how 2 can actually work, being that they each produce a 7.83hz pulse (the hum of the earth, for simplicity sake). If the pulse of the two are not clocked together how does the Schumann effect not get mucked up??

rollo · « **Reply #2 on:** 7 Feb 2010, 05:32 pm »

Quote from: ted_b on 7 Feb 2010, 05:17 pm

I wouldn't do without my RR-77!

That being said, I wonder how 2 can actually work, being that they each produce a 7.83hz pulse (the hum of the earth, for simplicity sake). If the pulse of the two are not clocked together how does the Schumann effect not get mucked up??

Ted I do not understand why but two certainly made a change for the better. Convinced me .That is a good question for the manf, maybe we can get a response.

charles

satfrat · « **Reply #3 on:** 7 Feb 2010, 05:53 pm »

I'm with both Charles and Ted, my RR-77 stays on 24/7 and resides 6' high on top of my 6 shelf audio rack. I am devoted to soundstage depth and anything that can improve upon this such as Bybee speaker filters do. The RR-77 noticably adds to this preception for me but it doesn't work for everyone unfortunately. I've found it's a hit/miss situation at best. There have been many accounts of multiple RR-77's generating a greater effect than just 1 but in my small listening room and with the way I use mine, I'm more than happy with just 1 Low Pulse Generator. I use a KingRex power supply instead of the included wallwart ps and I place a Shakti Stone on top of the KingRex, then the RR-77 on top of the Stone. Located 6' high on top of my audio rack which resides between my front loudspeakers and next to my Sony XBR, it's effects of added weight & depth to my sound stage is obvious enough for me so that I'll never turn mine off. Not a cheap tweak and because it's presence isn't apparent to everyone, I'm reluctant to recommend this. But it is 1 of them tweaks that I like bringing to a NY RAVE so others might get what I get out of it. Like any tweak, you never know til you try it for yourself and that's the best recommendation I can give to the Acoustic Revive RR-77.

Cheers,
Robin

Browntrout · « **Reply #4 on:** 8 Feb 2010, 11:10 pm »

It should be quite easy to make something similar. How much are they?

BPT · « **Reply #5 on:** 9 Feb 2010, 12:27 am »

Look here for a less expensive alternative. Also interesting, because you can vary the frequency--tweeker heaven. http://www.lessemf.com/schumann.html If you do some searching on the web, there are some interesting things about how different frequencies and their harmonics affect the brain. The Schumann resonance seems to make us feel relaxed and more receptive to things like music.
Chris H.

ted_b · « **Reply #6 on:** 9 Feb 2010, 12:52 am »

After I ordered, but before I received, my RR-77 I tried this less expensive one.
http://www.kellyresearchtech.com/elf.html
Didn't work. We theorized my room was too large for it...but after chatting with them I secretly put it under the bed of one of my sons. He complained of sleep issues, but magically after that did not.

satfrat · « **Reply #7 on:** 9 Feb 2010, 01:28 am »

What's interesting is unlike these cheaper wall wart adjustable resonators, Acoustic Revive recommend placement of the RR-77 to be at least 5 feet from the floor. This might have something to do about the effectiveness of those wallwart models. I wonder if sticking one on the end of a 8-10' power cord that extended towards the ceiling might make them work better? I'm using a 12' power cord myself. Another tibit is Acoustic Revive recommends the RR-77 be plugged into a different circuit than your system which accounts for my 12' power cord needs.

Cheers,
Robin

BPT · « **Reply #8 on:** 9 Feb 2010, 01:39 am »

Ted:
It's been a while since I read up on these resonators, but if I recall the 4-6 Hz. induced deeper more restfull sleep. You can also take them to work as the 10-12 Hz. region induced more of the higher brain activity and improves problem solving skills, mathmatics, etc... Wonder if our employers are already secretly using them--hmmm. It was found that extended periods of the 10-12 Hz. did cause an increase in agitation and headaches in some test subjects. Now I know their using them! Anyone up for some double-blind testing?
Chris H.

bmckenney · « **Reply #9 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 04:31 am »

Quote from: ted_b on 9 Feb 2010, 12:52 am

After I ordered, but before I received, my RR-77 I tried this less expensive one.
http://www.kellyresearchtech.com/elf.html
Didn't work. We theorized my room was too large for it...but after chatting with them I secretly put it under the bed of one of my sons. He complained of sleep issues, but magically after that did not.

Ted, did you get the pocket size or the full size version? The prices are much more affordable than the AR stuff. Love to save a few (or a lot of) bucks and try one of these things.

Bryan

ted_b · « **Reply #10 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 04:59 am »

I got the full sized one, but still no effect in my 15.25' x 22.9' x 10' room. They said it was more sized for 8 x 10.

bmckenney · « **Reply #11 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 02:55 pm »

Quote from: ted_b on 10 Feb 2010, 04:59 am

I got the full sized one, but still no effect in my 15.25' x 22.9' x 10' room. They said it was more sized for 8 x 10.

Thanks Ted. You saved me some hassle then. I think I'll try the lessemf.com "Whole House" model for $250. Might get the tachometer too so I can get a frequency reading.

Bryan

carusoracer · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 04:26 pm »

Rollo,

What is the model and company for the Alternative of the AR77?

How would you correlate the results from your Salt Lamp to the Shuman device in percentage of effectiveness?

Thanks, Very interested.

Philistine · « **Reply #13 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 05:28 pm »

I've documented my findings on the RR -77 Shumann on numerous occasions - it didn't work for me. I used the height recommendations and tried a blind AB with it on and off, apparently we all have different degrees of sensitivity to the generator. One of the questions raised was the psu being to weak for the RR-77, has this now been upgraded? If it has I would be interested in giving it another demo.....

nonoise · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 05:32 pm »

Interesting.
Does anyone know if the Quantum Research devices were Shumann resonators?
I got one 5-6 years ago and it improved my stereo and TV. Everything was clearer, cleaner, you name it. I was told me it generated a frequency that combated EMI and RFI. It still works: if I put my ear right up to it, I can hear it gently humming. I have it at the base of my TV rack which is right next to my stereo rack.

nonoise

satfrat · « **Reply #15 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 05:46 pm »

Quote from: nonoise on 10 Feb 2010, 05:32 pm

Interesting.
Does anyone know if the Quantum Research devices were Shumann resonators?
I got one 5-6 years ago and it improved my stereo and TV. Everything was clearer, cleaner, you name it. I was told me it generated a frequency that combated EMI and RFI. It still works: if I put my ear right up to it, I can hear it gently humming. I have it at the base of my TV rack which is right next to my stereo rack.

nonoise

2 totally different products & science.

satfrat · « **Reply #16 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 05:52 pm »

Quote from: Philistine on 10 Feb 2010, 05:28 pm

I've documented my findings on the RR -77 Shumann on numerous occasions - it didn't work for me. I used the height recommendations and tried a blind AB with it on and off, apparently we all have different degrees of sensitivity to the generator. One of the questions raised was the psu being to weak for the RR-77, has this now been upgraded? If it has I would be interested in giving it another demo.....

Hi Phil, an upgraded power supply does help a lot for me but I didn't need it to notice the difference when using the RR-77 as-is. I doubt an upgraded power supply or even multipe units would do anything for you myself. This product simply doesn't work for everyone.

Cheers,
Robin

ted_b · « **Reply #17 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 05:53 pm »

Quote from: satfrat on 10 Feb 2010, 05:52 pm

Hi Phil, an upgraded power supply does help a lot for me but I didn't need it to notice the difference when using the RR-77 as-is. I doubt an upgraded power supply or even multipe units would do anything for you myself. This product simply doesn't work for everyone.

Cheers,
Robin

+1

Philistine · « **Reply #18 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 06:00 pm »

Thanks Robin/Ted, guess my skull must be too thick for the waves to penetrate

HAL · « **Reply #19 on:** 10 Feb 2010, 06:19 pm »

Hmmm... a dirty sine wave generator and loop antenna gets close. Maybe a DIY project. Noticed one unit uses house AC ground wiring as the antenna for a larger area. Not sure what they use for the other half of the connection.