Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #20 on: 11 Oct 2009, 12:40 pm »
Something like Pace, Rhythm, And(?), Timing.  It was a Linn thing...

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #21 on: 11 Oct 2009, 12:46 pm »
Something like Pace, Rhythm, And(?), Timing.  It was a Linn thing...

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james


Can also refer to Pace, Rhythm, Attack, Timing (though usually translated as Pace, Rhythm And Timing)...


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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #22 on: 11 Oct 2009, 05:56 pm »
Some months back I unpacked my old Thorens TD-160 (circa 198x), ordered a new drive belt, a Shure M97xE and phono amp.  I was pleasantly surprised at how good the sound was, I had completely forgotten the very comfortable sound of vinyl. 

If you looking for top notch LP's try:  www.acousticsounds.com

Hi IZIP,

I also have a TD160 I bought new in 1975 and have never put it away.  It's been up and running for 34 years now.  I was debating whether to try something new or give this one an overhaul with a new Clearaudio or Grado MM cartridge.  I would have a difficult time saying goodbye to this component and am now encouraged by your post to keep on with it.  I bought my new BP26 this year with the MM phono stage so the Bryston is ready for it.

Bill

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« Reply #23 on: 12 Oct 2009, 12:52 am »
There are some things that turntables do that no CD player, no matter how much it costs can do.  The reverse is also true.

Vinyl has a sweet seductive sound IMO.  It just gets music right. 

People will debate the whys and hows of analog vs digital all day long.  The way I look at it, why pick between the two when we can enjoy both?  There are some recordings that are great on vinyl and horrible on CD, and vice versa.

Not that I'm trying to get you to spend more, but if you're planning on keeping the Debut or moving up the Pro-Ject ladder, the Speed Box is a huge sonic upgrade.  For about $120, its a no-brainer.  It doesn't just change speeds.  It cleans everything up and adds a huge dose of PRaT.  It'll take the Debut up a step or three.

The

You know, I have been reading about this speedbox and have been trying to figure out how a speed controller can help the sound?

PRAT is actually something that NAIM is known for. I have often heard their brand and this term together. Seems kind of hard to understand however!

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« Reply #24 on: 12 Oct 2009, 04:29 am »
You know, I have been reading about this speedbox and have been trying to figure out how a speed controller can help the sound?

PRAT is actually something that NAIM is known for. I have often heard their brand and this term together. Seems kind of hard to understand however!

A speed controller will regulate the speed better.  I guess I sound like a master of the obvious there.

Everything improves - the sound gets cleaned up, bass gets tighter, faster and deeper (at first sounds rolled off, but it's just getting rid of the bloat), imaging and soundstaging improve, etc.

Just about every tweak improves one or two things at the expense of something else.  Not the Speed Box.  I was a bit sceptical too, but a trusted friend talked me into it.  I bought it from Music Direct - 30 day return policy - and still have it 5 years later.  My Xpression sounds slow and boring without it, relatively speaking.  After owning it, I think its a necessity, not a nice-ity.

As for PRaT, its very hard to describe and very easy to hear if the room is right and the system has it.  Naim, Linn, and Rega are the first ones most people think of in this discussion.  Bryston's got at least just as much of it IMO.

Most systems without it do a good job of putting me to sleep - Marantz is the worst offender to my ears.  None of their gear has it, from the cheapest to the very expensive reference series.  Think very slow, overly smoothed over sound.

Just my opinion.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #25 on: 12 Oct 2009, 07:24 pm »
Thanks Stu.................you are not the only one to mention the speedbox so I guess I will have to get one.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #26 on: 15 Oct 2009, 08:26 pm »
I have a relatively inexpensive but effective combo...

Technics SL1210M5G + Audio-Technica 150MLX cartridge.

Couple this with the phono stage in my BP6, and you have very good to excellent sound. I can't say enough about the Bryston phono stage...no hum, no buzz, no anomalies. Just pure neutral sound.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #27 on: 15 Oct 2009, 11:27 pm »


1ZIP

This Machine is on my Wish List


Robert

Sweet!
aa I would love one of These 1ZIP

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« Reply #28 on: 16 Oct 2009, 01:57 am »
James: 

....slightly off topic, but if I recall Bryston service can retrofit a BP26 with a MM/MC but I can't remember the cost...something like $1K or maybe that was just for the MM??

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« Reply #29 on: 16 Oct 2009, 02:18 am »
James: 

....slightly off topic, but if I recall Bryston service can retrofit a BP26 with a MM/MC but I can't remember the cost...something like $1K or maybe that was just for the MM??

$500 for MM and an additional $1200 for MC.

james

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #30 on: 16 Oct 2009, 06:24 am »
hi, all!

if anyone can clarify this one:

let's say the internal impedance (dc resistance) of a mc cartridge is 6 ohm. is it correct that the phono pre's adjustment should be 10 times the mc's impedance (in this case 60 ohm) ??? :scratch:

someone told me that this is the "golden thumb rule".

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #31 on: 17 Oct 2009, 09:43 am »
hi, all!

if anyone can clarify this one:

let's say the internal impedance (dc resistance) of a mc cartridge is 6 ohm. is it correct that the phono pre's adjustment should be 10 times the mc's impedance (in this case 60 ohm) ??? :scratch:

someone told me that this is the "golden thumb rule".

al.

James,

what do you think? would you mind to ask Bryston engineers, please? would be interesting for me to know what they have to say.


thank you,


al.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #32 on: 17 Oct 2009, 11:50 am »
Hi Alex,

I know the ratio is true on preamp to power amp and I will check on the phono question for you.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #33 on: 17 Oct 2009, 01:11 pm »
I am very much looking forward to next year to pick up a turntable. What now makes it interesting is that I was listening to a financial analyst this morning on the radio and they were discussing the possibility of the American dollar losing approximately 20% of its value compared to the Canadian dollar late next year and we are very close to par at this time. This could definitely influence my furure turntable purchase. I guess I will have to wait and see :scratch:

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« Reply #34 on: 17 Oct 2009, 02:02 pm »
Hi Alex,

I know the ratio is true on preamp to power amp and I will check on the phono question for you.

james


thank you, James.
if a mc cartridge should have these specs (6 0hm internal impedance) then for best results the internal jumper of the BP 1.5 should be set at 16.5 db, right?!
i think the 22.5 db can be used as well. but is has to do something with accurate linearity of frequences...?!


al.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #35 on: 17 Oct 2009, 03:25 pm »
Hi Alex,

I know the ratio is true on preamp to power amp and I will check on the phono question for you.

james


thank you, James.
if a mc cartridge should have these specs (6 0hm internal impedance) then for best results the internal jumper of the BP 1.5 should be set at 16.5 db, right?!
i think the 22.5 db can be used as well. but is has to do something with accurate linearity of frequences...?!


al.

No I do not believe that to be the case - the 22.5 dB setting is recommended for Cartridges from 3 ohms to 40 ohms.

james

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« Reply #36 on: 21 Oct 2009, 08:19 pm »
Anyone know the list price of the BP 1.5 in $CDN? I do not remember if I seen one during my auditioning runs...

Thanks :wink:

BP 1.5 Outboard Moving Magnet/Moving Coil Stage-  2,550.00
Must be used with MPS-2 Power Supply - Not Included   
http://www.bryston.com/bp15_m.html

Hi James;
Is there a noise difference between the enclosed BP26 MM/MC  vs the BP1.5?
Thank you
Shafie

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #37 on: 21 Oct 2009, 08:29 pm »
There are some things that turntables do that no CD player, no matter how much it costs can do.  The reverse is also true.

Vinyl has a sweet seductive sound IMO.  It just gets music right. 

People will debate the whys and hows of analog vs digital all day long.  The way I look at it, why pick between the two when we can enjoy both?  There are some recordings that are great on vinyl and horrible on CD, and vice versa.

Not that I'm trying to get you to spend more, but if you're planning on keeping the Debut or moving up the Pro-Ject ladder, the Speed Box is a huge sonic upgrade.  For about $120, its a no-brainer.  It doesn't just change speeds.  It cleans everything up and adds a huge dose of PRaT.  It'll take the Debut up a step or three.

The

You know, I have been reading about this speedbox and have been trying to figure out how a speed controller can help the sound?

PRAT is actually something that NAIM is known for. I have often heard their brand and this term together. Seems kind of hard to understand however!

DanMan

From what I gather, if you plug directly into dirty power, your plinth speed will vary with changing voltage (happens on all domestic lines).You avoid this by cleaning the power (e.g. Torus), or by trying to reduce it using the speedbox.

Hope this helps and is correct.

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #38 on: 21 Oct 2009, 08:33 pm »
James: 

....slightly off topic, but if I recall Bryston service can retrofit a BP26 with a MM/MC but I can't remember the cost...something like $1K or maybe that was just for the MM??

$500 for MM and an additional $1200 for MC.

james

Hi James,


What's the price to upgrade a BP26P to MC?

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Re: Finally stepped into the rhelm of analog!
« Reply #39 on: 21 Oct 2009, 08:34 pm »
James: 

....slightly off topic, but if I recall Bryston service can retrofit a BP26 with a MM/MC but I can't remember the cost...something like $1K or maybe that was just for the MM??

$500 for MM and an additional $1200 for MC.

james

Hi James,


What's the price to upgrade a BP26P to MC?

Hi,

$1700.

james