[bprice2]

Since I need to have the cable looking acceptable to my wife, would placing all 3 solid core wire into a Techflex tube 'alter' the sound?

I doubt that placing already shielded wires into a tube would have any negative effects...especially speaker wire.  Of course, ymmv, but probably not.

[Alwayswantmore]

Since I need to have the cable looking acceptable to my wife, would placing all 3 solid core wire into a Techflex tube 'alter' the sound?

I doubt that placing already shielded wires into a tube would have any negative effects...especially speaker wire.  Of course, ymmv, but probably not.

I'm not a EE, but know that signals in cables running together do interact with each other. Louis may have some thoughts on this.

[bprice2]

I'm not a EE, but know that signals in cables running together do interact with each other. Louis may have some thoughts on this.

I have a suggestion that might clear this up a bit.  Take a look at the speaker cables you are currently using and answer this question.  What is inside of the speaker cable you are looking at?

[Alwayswantmore]

Mine are thick solid copper from Anticable. I had them in a loose twist together. Louis told me to untwist them and try to get them separated, which I did. Obviously he asked me to untwist them for a reason, and it had to do with the electrical properties of cables running parallel to each other. I just don't remember the specifics of my discussion with Louis.

BTW: I have DNM on my radar too, but haven?t placed an order. And now that they offer two thicknesses, I'd be interested to hear from others who have tried both with Omega speakers.

Kent

[Capt. Z]

I think it has to do with electro magnetic fields smearing the image or something like that.

[DaveC113]

twisting the wires increases capacitance, reduces inductance, and rejects noise. I use a star quad, which lowers inductance even more. (A star quad is 4 wires twisted together, 2+, 2-). Try out different configurations and see what you think, results may not be the same for everyone depending on system and personal preference.

DNM cables reduce capacitance, but wires configured like that can pick up noise and sound harsh depending on the environment they are in. I prefer to reduce inductance in speaker cables and reduce capacitance in ICs. My result with ICs is pretty conclusive that I prefer ICs with less capacitance, but I have found speaker wires aren't as predictable as far as what will sound best.

[konut]

Speaker cables carry a lot more current than ICs. This high current can generate eddy currents IF the conductors are too close together. This is what the DNM and Anti Cable designs are devised to combat. Because ICs carry much less current, and are connected to devices that usually amplify the signal, eddy currents are less likely to be generated, and RFI and EMI are more important considerations to be dealt with. This is why star quad is good for ICs but not SCs.

[DaveC113]

Speaker cables carry a lot more current than ICs. This high current can generate eddy currents IF the conductors are too close together. This is what the DNM and Anti Cable designs are devised to combat. Because ICs carry much less current, and are connected to devices that usually amplify the signal, eddy currents are less likely to be generated, and RFI and EMI are more important considerations to be dealt with. This is why star quad is good for ICs but not SCs.

I completely, 100% disagree with this theory and I have put quite a bit of effort into doing my own testing. I have constructed ICs and SCs using the exact same connectors and wires in different geometries. 

Because of the current carried in SCs, you want to lower inductance, or less ability to store current in the cable. MANY cable companies with good reputations use star quad or Litz braids (accomplishes similar goal.. increased capacitance in return for lowered inductance) for SCs. But, I guess Kimber, Canare, etc, etc, etc... have all got it wrong 

Because ICs carry a lot less current, inductance doesn't matter as much, and the cable's capacitance degrades the signal more than any other factor. Some equipment won't even drive a high capacitance IC. You're going to have a hard time finding anyone who will agree that increased capacitance in an IC is an acceptable tradeoff... even Frank Van Alstine said so much if I remember one of his posts on the subject correctly... and no, I'm not going to search to find it. Also, I've also found shielded ICs to sound worse, EMI and RFI interference in an audio system is, in MOST cases, not a consideration at all.

Your theory about Anti Cable design is pretty far off base too. There isn't anything keeping the wires in a couple runs of magnet wire apart, in fact, they can be twisted together if you'd like an improvement. 

[konut]

At 8ft or less, which is the length of most speaker cables, capacitance and inductance are pretty small considerations UNLESS one uses a twisting/braiding scheme which increases the gross length of cable used OR the wire itself possesses inherently high capacitance and/or inductance, AND is of sufficient gauge for low resistance. The same can be said of ICs of 3 ft or less, minus the part about gauge and resistance.  Any interaction caused by those 3 variables will be dependant on the specific input and output loads which will be dependant on those specific components involved about which no generalisations can be made, other than  subjective opinions will differ.

Why would I want my Anti Cables twisted together? That would induce eddy currents. What improvement would take place? They just naturally set apart, and if they didn't, they're stiff enough so that I could manually make them spread apart.

[Capt. Z]

Why would I want my Anti Cables twisted together?

My main reason would be estetics and WAF. I no longer live in a bachelor's appartment with boy's toys all over the place. My system can only exist if it 'fits into' the regular living space and decoration.

[bprice2]

Why would I want my Anti Cables twisted together?

My main reason would be estetics and WAF. I no longer live in a bachelor's appartment with boy's toys all over the place. My system can only exist if it 'fits into' the regular living space and decoration.

Because everybody knows a twisted pair of wires really ties the room together. 

[Alwayswantmore]

Why would I want my Anti Cables twisted together?

My main reason would be estetics and WAF. I no longer live in a bachelor's appartment with boy's toys all over the place. My system can only exist if it 'fits into' the regular living space and decoration.

Speltz (Anti cable) suggest you try both twisted and not. So from his perspective their is no universal "better" way to do it. I've had them both ways, but didn't pay much attention when I made the change 

[DaveC113]

Speltz (Anti cable) suggest you try both twisted and not. So from his perspective their is no universal "better" way to do it. I've had them both ways, but didn't pay much attention when I made the change 

I'd agree there, with speaker wire it's harder to tell what results will be, and you can use geometries that lower inductance at the expense of increasing the capacitance excessively.

However, with ICs, I seem to regularly prefer lower capacitance designs, so the DNM style construction works well there, so does the Anti-Cable IC design, and also the litz-helix (like the VH Audio Chela SCs or Jupiter ICs) all work very well IMO.

[lcrim]

I've had the Speltz AntiCables as well as the WLM DIY speaker cables and currently the DNM all w/ my Compact Hemps.  The AntiCables were loosely twisted as per the manufacturer's instructions.  There was a thread about this and directionality was also heard by some users.
   
The WLM DIY cables made from Walmart/Woods power chords were at first astounding and were given away when they I began to get terrible high frequency issues causing me to first change out my cartridge. 

Replaced with DNM at Louis' suggestion and at about $200 for 8 footers with their mini-bananas from Creston Funk in TX I'm a believer.  Great combination w/ the Compact Hemps.

I'm using the AntiCables in my bedroom system with my Decware Select and Parker 95 MKII's.  I have no desire to mess w/ speaker cables in either system now. 

[Alwayswantmore]

DP

[Alwayswantmore]

Couple nights ago I tried twisting my Anti cables again (opposed to running straight). I listened for about 1/2 hour before making the switch (which obviously takes a few minutes). Then focused on one familiar cut prior to and after the switch.

Feel like I picked up a little more top-end extension (maybe air or detail, but if nothing else, a tinge brighter), and find the change to be positive. I run a DeepHemp sub, so can't speak for how the change impacted lower bass. For now I plan to run twisted, at least for a while.

Kent

[Eadron]

If you're using RWA electronics and Omegas, DNM solid core Precision and DNM interconnects are an absolute steal. And - if you aren't using interconnects with Eichmann Silver Bullets, do yourself a favor and get a set  aa..

Only thing that bothers me with those interconnects is that they produces a moderate amount of hiss  ..anyone experienced that?

jouni

[Louis O]

Cool thread and for me the untwisted solid core has better bass. I like the balance this way and sounds more natural to me. The internals are 3 wire with a duce on the positive. They have a jacket and tidying them with TechFlex would be fine.

Thanks,
Louis

[Eadron]

Cool thread and for me the untwisted solid core has better bass. I like the balance this way and sounds more natural to me. The internals are 3 wire with a duce on the positive. They have a jacket and tidying them with TechFlex would be fine.

Thanks,
Louis

Hi Lou, and that's really cool. Why don't you put a picture from the wire..

jouni

[Alwayswantmore]

Cool thread and for me the untwisted solid core has better bass. I like the balance this way and sounds more natural to me. The internals are 3 wire with a duce on the positive. They have a jacket and tidying them with TechFlex would be fine.

Thanks,
Louis

Hi Lou, and that's really cool. Why don't you put a picture from the wire..

jouni

Check out second and third photo on this page... http://www.omegaloudspeakers.com/about/secret-recipe