[Philistine]

This thread was all about Kosta and the help he needed getting his 4BSST to synergies with his 803's.
It's drifted off into all directions that have no relationship to this, if you have questions surely the correct etiquette is not to hijack his thread and either revert to PM's or start another thread elsewhere.

Excuse me.... at least we are reading the threads before we post. u went and told him to get another cd player and he's using a bcd-1. Keep your comments about how to conduct a thread to yourself.

I'm sorry if you don't get it - but if you want to broaden the discussion about Acoustic Zen speakers and cables you'll get more response and feedback from a thread specific to this problem.  Kosta was a new AC member and it's selfish and unfair to hijack his post in this manner, as he's no longer posting it looks like he's been chased off.  This is not the welcome I would want to see. 

[werd]

This thread was all about Kosta and the help he needed getting his 4BSST to synergies with his 803's.
It's drifted off into all directions that have no relationship to this, if you have questions surely the correct etiquette is not to hijack his thread and either revert to PM's or start another thread elsewhere.

Excuse me.... at least we are reading the threads before we post. u went and told him to get another cd player and he's using a bcd-1. Keep your comments about how to conduct a thread to yourself.

I'm sorry if you don't get it - but if you want to broaden the discussion about Acoustic Zen speakers and cables you'll get more response and feedback from a thread specific to this problem.  Kosta was a new AC member and it's selfish and unfair to hijack his post in this manner, as he's no longer posting it looks like he's been chased off.  This is not the welcome I would want to see. 

What r u worried about here...not sure? Are u worried about me and my speakers. because u cant be worried about Kosta because u clearly r not reading his threads. If u were, u wouldve figured out by today that he's moved on to a 14bsst. and not a 4bsst like u posted above. Also u r confusing Sasha only because u r not reading the threads. So u need to at do that before u start complaining about thread etiquette to people.

[Sasha]

There is no such driver with cone that exhibits no break-up, and B&W Kevlar midrange drivers are ringing like bells.
There is a very valid reason why PMC, ATC and majority of professional monitoring companies use heavily treated and damped textile/paper materials in midrange drivers for example.
Attempts to achieve near ideal piston behavior with materials such are Kevlar or carbon fibers for example come at heavy price, such drivers unquestionably ring, what can be controlled to some point with complex cross-overs what again comes at heavy price.
The end result is compromised performance, it is not a question of “style” but design, engineering and marketing.

The kevlar material is the most rigid material in cone driver u can get. Speaker break-up is a form of distortion and doesnt exibit a "ringing" sound. Again if u dont like the sound of kevlar thats cool, but B&W are notoriusily low on distortion. Also a very acquired taste.

Sasha post your gear, I am curious

Gear is in transition now, last time the system was complete, it consisted of:
PMC IB2s – sold, will build speakers, parts on their way.
Bryston 7B SST
Bryston BP 26
Wadia 581i SE – sold, replaced with BDA-1 and PC transport
PC transport, Zalman fanless case with heat pipes and radiators, completely tuned up HW and SW-wise for single purpose of being digital source (e.g. I do not even do ripping on it but on a different system), Lynx sound card
For standard optical transport I am yet to determine what I will use
EquiTech balanced power conditioner
Interconnects VDH/Neutrik balanced whenever possible, otherwise AZ Matrix II and Silver Reference
AZ Satori Speaker cable – sold, replacement TBD
Bunch of DVD and universal players of various quality

P.S. I hear ringing in every B&W speaker, I get a headache within 15 minutes of listening to female singers on B&W.
Same is true for literally every speaker I heard that uses carbon fiber in midrange cones.
To higher or lesser extent I hear metallic kind of ringing on every speaker I heard that uses some sort of metal material in midrange cones, especially aluminum ones, cannot  miss it.
The only speakers of dynamic type I heard that are capable or reproducing uncolored midrange always use some sort of natural dampened materials, examples being PMC, ATC, Rockport to name a few.

Sasha, what did u think of the Satori speaker cable?                               

Satori is nice when used with appropriate amp and speakers and you are romantic type of guy , not so nice when used with neutral components and your objective is the truth.
It is kind of dark with deep soundstage, somewhat colored.
I think you can do better for that kind of $ when seeking neutrality.
Kind of a sound you hear from let’s say McCormack DNA-250 in comparison to Bryston if you had a chance to hear presentation of both.

the reason i ask is because my AZ adagios use the satori for their internal wiring. I am considering running the same wire from my amp.


thanx

I do not know what to tell you, on one hand it would make sense to go with Satori all the way, but on the other it may be too much of lushness for the lack of a better term.
If you read discussions on AZ interconnects for example, you will notice that many that like Matrix do not run Matrix exclusively but throw in Silver somewhere in the path, citing “too much of a good thing” with Matrix only. I tend to agree, before switching to VDH I would use Matrix from source to pre-amp and Silver from pre-amp to amp. Satori is not so “lush” as Matrix but does have similar character if you will. From this perspective I would be cautious.
But you really have to hear it, the best thing is to borrow it and decide, the worst you can do is decide based on what someone tells you.
BTW, I heard Adagios several times with different electronics, if we do not take dynamic capabilities into the consideration (what is understandable considering the design), in comparison to anything from B&W 700 series and 800S series I prefer AZ.
Just so that we stay within the context of this thread.   

[werd]

There is no such driver with cone that exhibits no break-up, and B&W Kevlar midrange drivers are ringing like bells.
There is a very valid reason why PMC, ATC and majority of professional monitoring companies use heavily treated and damped textile/paper materials in midrange drivers for example.
Attempts to achieve near ideal piston behavior with materials such are Kevlar or carbon fibers for example come at heavy price, such drivers unquestionably ring, what can be controlled to some point with complex cross-overs what again comes at heavy price.
The end result is compromised performance, it is not a question of “style” but design, engineering and marketing.

The kevlar material is the most rigid material in cone driver u can get. Speaker break-up is a form of distortion and doesnt exibit a "ringing" sound. Again if u dont like the sound of kevlar thats cool, but B&W are notoriusily low on distortion. Also a very acquired taste.

Sasha post your gear, I am curious

Gear is in transition now, last time the system was complete, it consisted of:
PMC IB2s – sold, will build speakers, parts on their way.
Bryston 7B SST
Bryston BP 26
Wadia 581i SE – sold, replaced with BDA-1 and PC transport
PC transport, Zalman fanless case with heat pipes and radiators, completely tuned up HW and SW-wise for single purpose of being digital source (e.g. I do not even do ripping on it but on a different system), Lynx sound card
For standard optical transport I am yet to determine what I will use
EquiTech balanced power conditioner
Interconnects VDH/Neutrik balanced whenever possible, otherwise AZ Matrix II and Silver Reference
AZ Satori Speaker cable – sold, replacement TBD
Bunch of DVD and universal players of various quality

P.S. I hear ringing in every B&W speaker, I get a headache within 15 minutes of listening to female singers on B&W.
Same is true for literally every speaker I heard that uses carbon fiber in midrange cones.
To higher or lesser extent I hear metallic kind of ringing on every speaker I heard that uses some sort of metal material in midrange cones, especially aluminum ones, cannot  miss it.
The only speakers of dynamic type I heard that are capable or reproducing uncolored midrange always use some sort of natural dampened materials, examples being PMC, ATC, Rockport to name a few.

Sasha, what did u think of the Satori speaker cable?                               

Satori is nice when used with appropriate amp and speakers and you are romantic type of guy , not so nice when used with neutral components and your objective is the truth.
It is kind of dark with deep soundstage, somewhat colored.
I think you can do better for that kind of $ when seeking neutrality.
Kind of a sound you hear from let’s say McCormack DNA-250 in comparison to Bryston if you had a chance to hear presentation of both.

the reason i ask is because my AZ adagios use the satori for their internal wiring. I am considering running the same wire from my amp.


thanx

I do not know what to tell you, on one hand it would make sense to go with Satori all the way, but on the other it may be too much of lushness for the lack of a better term.
If you read discussions on AZ interconnects for example, you will notice that many that like Matrix do not run Matrix exclusively but throw in Silver somewhere in the path, citing “too much of a good thing” with Matrix only. I tend to agree, before switching to VDH I would use Matrix from source to pre-amp and Silver from pre-amp to amp. Satori is not so “lush” as Matrix but does have similar character if you will. From this perspective I would be cautious.
But you really have to hear it, the best thing is to borrow it and decide, the worst you can do is decide based on what someone tells you.
BTW, I heard Adagios several times with different electronics, if we do not take dynamic capabilities into the consideration (what is understandable considering the design), in comparison to anything from B&W 700 series and 800S series I prefer AZ.
Just so that we stay within the context of this thread.   

thats interesting thanku for that post. I was trying to get a handle as to how the Satori's would sound i think i u did a good job describing it.

[jethro]

This thread was all about Kosta and the help he needed getting his 4BSST to synergies with his 803's.
It's drifted off into all directions that have no relationship to this, if you have questions surely the correct etiquette is not to hijack his thread and either revert to PM's or start another thread elsewhere.

Philistine is absolutely correct. I've been having a hard time keeping up with all of the posts
so things have been a bit lax in keeping threads organized. Please follow Philistine's advice
as it benefits all of us.  There is so much excellent information posted to this circle - we need
to keep it organized into threads so that people can search for answers.

I've just realized that I've broken etiquette as well lately and it is easy to do without thinking.

[Kosta]

UPDATE!

For clarification my gear consists of the following. 

BP 26 Pre amp
14B SST
BCD-1
B&W 803d
Nordust speaker cable

I have changed the BP25p and the 4B SST and the results have been "okay".  I still have the same listening fatigue as before.  HARSH mid  and little bottom end.


I am considering replacing the pre amp (bp26) to a Dodd Tube pre amp  " http://www.doddaudio.biz   ".  This should soften the mid range.  Great reviews and hand made by Gary Dodd himself.

While I wait...

Very frustrating.  I am considering selling everything and just keeping away from trying to achieve this audio bliss.  The more money I have spent the more dead the sound of music became.  I feel that I should have been better consulted during the purchase of the 803D's.  I fell in love with a speaker brand and then got involved with a reputable audio equipment company (Bryston) without knowing the synergy issues to follow.

I guess even James Tanner may know what is happening here and understands the answer could be to sacrifice one of the two brands.  I am sure in the near future Bryston will resolve synergy problems with HUGE speaker companies like B&W in order to get a bigger audience looking there way. 


Kosta

[Moon Doggy]

UPDATE!

For clarification my gear consists of the following. 

BP 26 Pre amp
14B SST
BCD-1
B&W 803d
Nordust speaker cable

I have changed the BP25p and the 4B SST and the results have been "okay".  I still have the same listening fatigue as before.  HARSH mid  and little bottom end.

Very frustrating.  I am considering selling everything and just keeping away from trying to achieve this audio bliss.  The more money I have spent the more dead the sound of music became. 
Kosta

 You have great gear there. Sure there have been some synergy issues with Bryston/B&W but they are usually resolved. Many find the combo thoroughly enjoyable. But in your situation, the better the gear the worse the harshness. It sounds like a problem with room acoustics. My acoustic treatments were the biggest improvement in sound and the cheapest upgrade. Any resonance was gone. Just Auralex bass traps, panels at reflection points and a home built diffuser on the rear wall behind the listening position. The sound was sharp, clear and relaxed. The music only came from the speakers. My son who never notices a difference with each expensive amp or CD player upgrade immediately noticed a huge difference in the sound.

I cannot over emphasize the improvement. A modest setup in an acoustically treated room can outperform a much more expensive setup in an acoustically poor room.

Best regards, James

[werd]

UPDATE!

For clarification my gear consists of the following. 

BP 26 Pre amp
14B SST
BCD-1
B&W 803d
Nordust speaker cable

I have changed the BP25p and the 4B SST and the results have been "okay".  I still have the same listening fatigue as before.  HARSH mid  and little bottom end.


I am considering replacing the pre amp (bp26) to a Dodd Tube pre amp  " http://www.doddaudio.biz   ".  This should soften the mid range.  Great reviews and hand made by Gary Dodd himself.

While I wait...

Very frustrating.  I am considering selling everything and just keeping away from trying to achieve this audio bliss.  The more money I have spent the more dead the sound of music became.  I feel that I should have been better consulted during the purchase of the 803D's.  I fell in love with a speaker brand and then got involved with a reputable audio equipment company (Bryston) without knowing the synergy issues to follow.

I guess even James Tanner may know what is happening here and understands the answer could be to sacrifice one of the two brands.  I am sure in the near future Bryston will resolve synergy problems with HUGE speaker companies like B&W in order to get a bigger audience looking there way. 


Kosta

What Nordost speaker cable do u have? I own the super flatline mk2 (i dont use em because they are to forward and bright sounding), check out sasha's post above regardin the Satoris, they might be more of what u are after.

Also i am not suggesting goin and spending more money but try and demo any line conditioner. try and find one that is parallel and not inline with your setup, but inline will work for testing it. The Torus are talked alot about here and would probably help alot. The one i own is too small for your 14bsst but it works great at  taming brightness. Moondoggy's suggestion about acoustics is also paramount too.

[Phil]

Kosta,

I can sympathize since I have 803s (previous version, not the d).  They are a bit fussy (they reveal very small changes in equipment and the like).  Don't give up yet! 

I have come to two conclusions:  1) elimination of electrical noise is necessary and 2) tubes in the chain help greatly (don't ask me why).  The preamp would be a great place to experiment with tubes. 

As for electrical noise, I suggest dedicated outlets (if possible) + conditioner (I use an equitech for the source equipment - that is, balanced power unit).   

Cabling is important after those items are settled.  In my system, silver cables do not work as well as copper.  I have not idea why this might be.  Just a matter of listensing/hearing preference.

[James Tanner]

Hi All,

There really has to be something seriously amiss here for Kosta.

I have heard plenty of B&W's with Bryston gear and they have always performed well. It simply is not true that quality amp A will not work with quality speaker B.  Accurate equipment lets you hear what is going on.

So something is seriously wrong with the speakers the electronics or as others have suggested the room acoustics.

james

[Sasha]

UPDATE!

For clarification my gear consists of the following. 

BP 26 Pre amp
14B SST
BCD-1
B&W 803d
Nordust speaker cable

I have changed the BP25p and the 4B SST and the results have been "okay".  I still have the same listening fatigue as before.  HARSH mid  and little bottom end.


I am considering replacing the pre amp (bp26) to a Dodd Tube pre amp  " http://www.doddaudio.biz   ".  This should soften the mid range.  Great reviews and hand made by Gary Dodd himself.

While I wait...

Very frustrating.  I am considering selling everything and just keeping away from trying to achieve this audio bliss.  The more money I have spent the more dead the sound of music became.  I feel that I should have been better consulted during the purchase of the 803D's.  I fell in love with a speaker brand and then got involved with a reputable audio equipment company (Bryston) without knowing the synergy issues to follow.

I guess even James Tanner may know what is happening here and understands the answer could be to sacrifice one of the two brands.  I am sure in the near future Bryston will resolve synergy problems with HUGE speaker companies like B&W in order to get a bigger audience looking there way. 


Kosta

I would not rush and sell BP26, you could contribute anything to it but not harshness and lack of bottom end.
Especially in combination with 14B SST and BCD-1, this combination produces lots of bottom end.
I am sorry if some feel offended, but I firmly believe the problem is B&W, been there, done that, lots of frustrations till I finally dropped them.

Kosta, do yourself a favor, take your electronics and your cable to a dealer, listen to other speakers, suggestion is PMC, OB1i and above, play with cables, determine on your own where the problem is.

[2bigears]

  i had a set of 802's S3 with an old 4B and the cd had better be mastered good or i must say, it was not nice to the ears.a good tube pre did  help with copper inter-speaker wires.  also,with this combo,the room better be treated also....

[James Tanner]

i had a set of 802's S3 with an old 4B and the cd had better be mastered good or i must say, it was not nice to the ears.a good tube pre did  help with copper inter-speaker wires.  also,with this combo,the room better be treated also....

I guess it comes down to whether you want to hear what's on the recording or not?  I think gear that is designed to provide a specific 'flavor' is the wrong approach and it only takes you in circles.

james

[werd]

i had a set of 802's S3 with an old 4B and the cd had better be mastered good or i must say, it was not nice to the ears.a good tube pre did  help with copper inter-speaker wires.  also,with this combo,the room better be treated also....

I guess it comes down to whether you want to hear what's on the recording or not?  I think gear that is designed to provide a specific 'flavor' is the wrong approach and it only takes you in circles.

james

I dont agree with that James, half the fun of building a system is getting it to sound the way you want it to. Thats all possible with system tweaking and cable matching and so forth. You are  even guilty of it yourself, dont you have different systems with drastically different types of speakers.

[alexone]

i had a set of 802's S3 with an old 4B and the cd had better be mastered good or i must say, it was not nice to the ears.a good tube pre did  help with copper inter-speaker wires.  also,with this combo,the room better be treated also....

I guess it comes down to whether you want to hear what's on the recording or not?  I think gear that is designed to provide a specific 'flavor' is the wrong approach and it only takes you in circles.

james

I dont agree with that James, half the fun of building a system is getting it to sound the way you want it to. Thats all possible with system tweaking and cable matching and so forth. You are  even guilty of it yourself, dont you have different systems with drastically different types of speakers.

...maybe it comes down to what we always talk about here: everybody has different 'ears' and everybody has different explainations about how a system should sound like. there are for sure arguments that we agree with (for example that the BCD-1 has a special kind of timing...). i think that the most important thing is that you can hear an improvement compared to the gear you used to have.
in my case i can say that the 4B SST was a step forward. but when i then added the 26 to it i knew that i would go with Bryston and that's why i do have a complete Bryston setup.

al.

[James Tanner]

i had a set of 802's S3 with an old 4B and the cd had better be mastered good or i must say, it was not nice to the ears.a good tube pre did  help with copper inter-speaker wires.  also,with this combo,the room better be treated also....

I guess it comes down to whether you want to hear what's on the recording or not?  I think gear that is designed to provide a specific 'flavor' is the wrong approach and it only takes you in circles.

james

I dont agree with that James, half the fun of building a system is getting it to sound the way you want it to. Thats all possible with system tweaking and cable matching and so forth. You are  even guilty of it yourself, dont you have different systems with drastically different types of speakers.

Hi werd,

Yes I do, and all those systems have a ‘’texture’ to them that differentiates them. But I keep all the front ends the same (BCD-1, BDA-1, BP26/MPS2, music servers) and the amplifiers change in power relative to the speaker used. That way the only characteristic that changes is the room and the speaker- showing I think that the speaker/room interface is HUGE in the overall performance level of your system. 

When people come over and listen to the 3 different systems they usually have a 'preference'  but that is different than which of the 3 systems is more accurate to the real thing. If you ask me which one sounds like real instruments and voices in the room there is no question in my mind which system it is.  A horn sounds like a horn or it doesn’t a voice sounds like it’s in the room or it doesn’t.  The different systems also have different abilities as well so you may prefer voice on the Quads but the dynamics on the JBL 1400 Arrays. Also remember that we all go through ‘phases of learning’ as we move down the audiophile path. My first system was a pair of Klipsch corner horns and at 17 there is no way you could have convinced me there was anything better.  I started working part time in an audio store and daily listened to a pair of Dalquist DQ-10’s. You know what? Joan Baez started sounding a little more ‘nasally’ at home and eventually I realized that as good as the horns were at micro and macro dynamics the voice quality was not all that great.

Don’t get me wrong, we all have a right to build a system that sounds good to us but that's totally different than producing products that are as accurate to their input as technology will allow or building audio systems in ones home that are as accurate as possible to the real world experience.

The difference as I see it is “Production” vs “Reproduction”. Bryston is designed to “Reproduce’ the input not “produce” a specific sound or texture. My mantra has been for many years ‘the demo is everything’. You and I can discuss every technical nuance there is and how one concept is better than another but it all comes down to sitting in front of a system and asking yourself it takes you to another "place and time".  I realize that something can be pleasurable to listen to and not necessarily be dead accurate but It has been my experience that the more accurate the recording and the more accurate the playback system the greater the chance one has of getting there.

james

[rob80b]

UPDATE!

For clarification my gear consists of the following. 

BP 26 Pre amp
14B SST
BCD-1
B&W 803d
Nordust speaker cable

I have changed the BP25p and the 4B SST and the results have been "okay".  I still have the same listening fatigue as before.  HARSH mid  and little bottom end.


I am considering replacing the pre amp (bp26) to a Dodd Tube pre amp  " http://www.doddaudio.biz   ".  This should soften the mid range.  Great reviews and hand made by Gary Dodd himself.

While I wait...

Very frustrating.  I am considering selling everything and just keeping away from trying to achieve this audio bliss.  The more money I have spent the more dead the sound of music became.  I feel that I should have been better consulted during the purchase of the 803D's.  I fell in love with a speaker brand and then got involved with a reputable audio equipment company (Bryston) without knowing the synergy issues to follow.

I guess even James Tanner may know what is happening here and understands the answer could be to sacrifice one of the two brands.  I am sure in the near future Bryston will resolve synergy problems with HUGE speaker companies like B&W in order to get a bigger audience looking there way. 


Kosta

Hi Kosta,

You really do have some great gear, and I'm on James side about keeping everything as uncolored as possible.
Have you thought you may be suffering from listening fatigue, it makes everything sound harsh and difficult to listen to, I've been there believe me.
My solution was just to turn every thing off for a week or so, forget about it and come back when I really missed listening to music, works wonders.

Just my 2 cents worth

Robert

[werd]

i had a set of 802's S3 with an old 4B and the cd had better be mastered good or i must say, it was not nice to the ears.a good tube pre did  help with copper inter-speaker wires.  also,with this combo,the room better be treated also....

I guess it comes down to whether you want to hear what's on the recording or not?  I think gear that is designed to provide a specific 'flavor' is the wrong approach and it only takes you in circles.

james

I dont agree with that James, half the fun of building a system is getting it to sound the way you want it to. Thats all possible with system tweaking and cable matching and so forth. You are  even guilty of it yourself, dont you have different systems with drastically different types of speakers.

Hi werd,

Yes I do, and all those systems have a ‘’texture’ to them that differentiates them. But I keep all the front ends the same (BCD-1, BDA-1, BP26/MPS2, music servers) and the amplifiers change in power relative to the speaker used. That way the only characteristic that changes is the room and the speaker- showing I think that the speaker/room interface is HUGE in the overall performance level of your system. 

When people come over and listen to the 3 different systems they usually have a 'preference'  but that is different than which of the 3 systems is more accurate to the real thing. If you ask me which one sounds like real instruments and voices in the room there is no question in my mind which system it is.  A horn sounds like a horn or it doesn’t a voice sounds like it’s in the room or it doesn’t.  The different systems also have different abilities as well so you may prefer voice on the Quads but the dynamics on the JBL 1400 Arrays. Also remember that we all go through ‘phases of learning’ as we move down the audiophile path. My first system was a pair of Klipsch corner horns and at 17 there is no way you could have convinced me there was anything better.  I started working part time in an audio store and daily listened to a pair of Dalquist DQ-10’s. You know what? Joan Baez started sounding a little more ‘nasally’ at home and eventually I realized that as good as the horns were at micro and macro dynamics the voice quality was not all that great.

Don’t get me wrong, we all have a right to build a system that sounds good to us but that's totally different than producing products that are as accurate to their input as technology will allow or building audio systems in ones home that are as accurate as possible to the real world experience.

The difference as I see it is “Production” vs “Reproduction”. Bryston is designed to “Reproduce’ the input not “produce” a specific sound or texture. My mantra has been for many years ‘the demo is everything’. You and I can discuss every technical nuance there is and how one concept is better than another but it all comes down to sitting in front of a system and asking yourself it takes you to another "place and time".  I realize that something can be pleasurable to listen to and not necessarily be dead accurate but It has been my experience that the more accurate the recording and the more accurate the playback system the great chance one has of getting there.

james

Hi James

Thankyou for that response, I personally feel lucky that i own the  gear i have. I appreciate the experience that u guys bring to the table, the knowledge that u have acquired in your professional audio applied to your home audio is invaluable. But your post also reinforces my point.  The references made regarding different speakers applied to different rooms (all the same front end- being Bryston). Your quote, "That way the only characteristic that changes is the room and the speaker- showing I think that the speaker/room interface is HUGE in the overall performance level of your system."  Not everybody has the luxury of multiple setup (that is not a criticism), most like myself only have one. But i can change my overall soundstage with the use of room correction ideas and products, of course not to the extent of buying different speakers .... but close.  Unfortunately i cant do that either because of...... well my wife....lol. I can however use tweaks, cabling and such to mimick what your are experiencing with 3 different listening environments.  I know this because i can get up right now out my chair, and within two min. nerf my stereo (changing cables and tweaks)to the point of almost unlistenable proportion. Mind you the 4Bsp makes that alot more difficult to do.

Kosta's situation is totally approachable. He is lucky there are hundreds of different cable manufactures, tweak and room correction options made available to him. I just didnt agree with your earlier post that's all.

[1ZIP]

Kosta;

FWIW:

There is an Audio Circle forum on room treatments, etc. that provide links to treatment manufactures.  One for free, and there are probably others, will if you provide room dimensions, furnishings etc. provide a 1st order analysis and suggest some treatments specific to your situation.  Even if there is a charge it might beat spending a boat load of $$s on different equipment, cables, etc. when a few room tweaks might get you the "perfect sound".  I have 805n(s) and they do sound somewhat harsh in the mid-high frequencies. But, from everything I've read about the good B&W/Bryston match I'm convinced it's not an equipment nor a synergy problem.  As soon as I make up my mind about upgrading to a SST2 I'm going to start tweaking the room.  I did try inserting a tube amp (McIntosh C2200) into the system but the mid to low freq's lost detail and actually became a little muddy.  Just as an aside I talked to B&W about recommendations on 803's/804's and they ruled out 803's and were lukewarm on 804's but that was because of room size. You might consider contacting B&W and find out what they have to say.  They were very gracious and helpful to me as was PMC for that matter.

Anyway.... just my 2 cents!

[1oldguy]

Interesting thread to say the least.Since I too will be facing the Bryston/B7W set up.