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« on: 6 Feb 2009, 04:55 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: 6 Feb 2009, 05:00 pm »
Amazing, as seems to be your norm.

Listening impressions?

Efficiency?

Low end extension?

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #4 on: 6 Feb 2009, 05:20 pm »
Amazing, as seems to be your norm.

Listening impressions?

Efficiency?

Low end extension?

Thanks - just trying to raise the bar once again.  :thumb:

Details coming later but I can share a few things now. This pair is going to be DSP driven with a DEQX; however, I will offer a standard passive version as well. The alignment is a sealed box for integration with a subwoofer. RAAL ribbon tweeter and Scan-Speak 7" Illuminator woofer.

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #5 on: 6 Feb 2009, 09:38 pm »
Price?
That is a big ribbon. What is the thought behind the use of such a big ribbon tweeter? Power handling and lower crossover point ? What about the vertical dispersion issues you spoke of before?

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #6 on: 6 Feb 2009, 10:03 pm »
Incredible looking.  I am sure it sounds like a dynamite. 

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #7 on: 7 Feb 2009, 01:25 am »
Price?
That is a big ribbon. What is the thought behind the use of such a big ribbon tweeter? Power handling and lower crossover point ? What about the vertical dispersion issues you spoke of before?

$3500/pr. including shipping.

The RAAL ribbon comes with foam diffusors to shorten the effective length of the ribbon. They work exceptionally well to make the vertical coverage very smooth. The longer ribbon also allows for a lower crossover point.

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #8 on: 7 Feb 2009, 01:40 am »
$3500/pr. including shipping.

Wow!  That is a bargain.   :thumb:

Beautiful speaker, I must resist...

Peace,

Lee

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« Reply #9 on: 7 Feb 2009, 05:03 am »

The RAAL ribbon comes with foam diffusors to shorten the effective length of the ribbon. They work exceptionally well to make the vertical coverage very smooth. The longer ribbon also allows for a lower crossover point.


Hi Rick

Beautiful speakers - congratulations!
How would you characterize the difference in sound between the Fountek CDM2.0 and the Raal tweeters?

Regards

Jose

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #10 on: 7 Feb 2009, 07:16 am »
Whoa, Rick, that's just too sweeeeeeet! I've finally found the perfect surrounds for my dream HT system--a pair of RC5R's (RC5's with dual 5'' Illuminators and a Raal ribbon up top and dual 10'' Revelators down below), an SS3CC reference center modified with a 5'' Illuminator mid and Raal ribbon, and a ported version of these lovely Mejor's for surrounds. No sub needed!! But a winning lottery ticket would be a good step in that direction . . . :D

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #11 on: 7 Feb 2009, 05:04 pm »

The RAAL ribbon comes with foam diffusors to shorten the effective length of the ribbon. They work exceptionally well to make the vertical coverage very smooth. The longer ribbon also allows for a lower crossover point.


Hi Rick

Beautiful speakers - congratulations!
How would you characterize the difference in sound between the Fountek CDM2.0 and the Raal tweeters?

Regards

Jose

For this format the RAAL is the better choice because of how it's designed. I believe you have arrays, right?

chrismercurio

Re: Mejor
« Reply #12 on: 7 Feb 2009, 06:59 pm »
How low can it be crossed? Alex's data sheet claims 1600hz, but wanted to know your opinion?

Best,

Chris

Jose R.

Re: Mejor
« Reply #13 on: 7 Feb 2009, 10:33 pm »
For this format the RAAL is the better choice because of how it's designed. I believe you have arrays, right?

Yes, I have arrays with Eton 5.5" and Founteks with corner woofers and subs.  All digital crossovers with Tact amps and room correction.  I use a steep crossover point of 2500 or 2600 and find that the Founteks can sound a bit harsh if pushed at this frequency.  The Raals would probably work better

Jose

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #14 on: 8 Feb 2009, 02:24 am »
For this format the RAAL is the better choice because of how it's designed. I believe you have arrays, right?

Yes, I have arrays with Eton 5.5" and Founteks with corner woofers and subs.  All digital crossovers with Tact amps and room correction.  I use a steep crossover point of 2500 or 2600 and find that the Founteks can sound a bit harsh if pushed at this frequency.  The Raals would probably work better

Jose

I think the RAAL drivers would be better in an array but I've not tried that and it would be significantly more expensive. The Founteks can be crossed lower than 2.5K if the DSP unit crossover / correction is capable. With the TacT I think you're limited to a higher crossover point because of how the DSP is applied. The measurements you take to import into the DSP are also critical.

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #15 on: 8 Feb 2009, 02:25 am »
How low can it be crossed? Alex's data sheet claims 1600hz, but wanted to know your opinion?

Best,

Chris

We'll see.  :)

Jose R.

Re: Mejor
« Reply #16 on: 8 Feb 2009, 06:35 am »
I think the RAAL drivers would be better in an array but I've not tried that and it would be significantly more expensive. The Founteks can be crossed lower than 2.5K if the DSP unit crossover / correction is capable. With the TacT I think you're limited to a higher crossover point because of how the DSP is applied. The measurements you take to import into the DSP are also critical.

Hi Rick
Thanks for the reply.
I don't think that the problem is in the Tact units.  The crossover points and slopes in my Boz Tact units are totally flexible and I have thus been able to play around a lot with delays and crossovers.  I do all my measurements at the listening position which will of course be slightly different to measurements done close to the speakers.  I have however found that if I cross the Founteks below about 2400Hz, even with steep slopes, some tracks can sound a bit harsh and the "problem area" seems to be at about 2200-2400 Hz.  With the Tact room correction one can put in a bit of a dip in the target curve at these frequencies and this resolves the harshness. 
Perhaps the measurements of the Founteks at the zaphaudio site allude to this - he shows that the THD of the Founteks starts to rise quite a bit below about 2400Hz
http://www.zaphaudio.com/nondomes/standard.html

I have been toying with a super line array using the Raals and probably Scan Illuminator 6.5" woofers in an open baffle but, as you say, the drivers are very expensive particularly when used in an array. 

Regards

Jose

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #17 on: 9 Feb 2009, 05:07 am »
I think the RAAL drivers would be better in an array but I've not tried that and it would be significantly more expensive. The Founteks can be crossed lower than 2.5K if the DSP unit crossover / correction is capable. With the TacT I think you're limited to a higher crossover point because of how the DSP is applied. The measurements you take to import into the DSP are also critical.

Hi Rick
Thanks for the reply.
I don't think that the problem is in the Tact units.  The crossover points and slopes in my Boz Tact units are totally flexible and I have thus been able to play around a lot with delays and crossovers.  I do all my measurements at the listening position which will of course be slightly different to measurements done close to the speakers.  I have however found that if I cross the Founteks below about 2400Hz, even with steep slopes, some tracks can sound a bit harsh and the "problem area" seems to be at about 2200-2400 Hz.  With the Tact room correction one can put in a bit of a dip in the target curve at these frequencies and this resolves the harshness. 
Perhaps the measurements of the Founteks at the zaphaudio site allude to this - he shows that the THD of the Founteks starts to rise quite a bit below about 2400Hz
http://www.zaphaudio.com/nondomes/standard.html

I have been toying with a super line array using the Raals and probably Scan Illuminator 6.5" woofers in an open baffle but, as you say, the drivers are very expensive particularly when used in an array. 

Regards

Jose

Yes, I've had arrays set up with the TacT system. One thing that led me to purchasing a DEQX over the TacT was that it applies driver correction before the crossover. I do agree that there can be hardness if you cross too low and / or with a slope that's too shallow.

Jose R.

Re: Mejor
« Reply #18 on: 9 Feb 2009, 07:23 am »
Yes, I've had arrays set up with the TacT system. One thing that led me to purchasing a DEQX over the TacT was that it applies driver correction before the crossover. I do agree that there can be hardness if you cross too low and / or with a slope that's too shallow.

Hi Rick

Just for clarification - the crossovers are implemented in the amps without driver correction.  The overall sound can then be corrected with the Tact RCS preamp if one wishes to do so.

Regards

Jose

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Re: Mejor
« Reply #19 on: 10 Feb 2009, 06:34 pm »
If time permits I would like to have some of the AC local audiophiles come by and listen to the Mejor. Please PM here or email if you're interested.