24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta

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Wayne1

24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« on: 13 Jan 2009, 03:33 pm »
The latest beta nightly of SqueezeCenter has "fixed" the previous down sampling "bug"

Quote from: Phil Leigh
Prior to 7.3.1, 96kHz playback was achieved by dropping alternate samples to get back to 48Khz that the receiver/sb can handle. This is a very crude and audibly bad way of doing things.

The means that (before 7.3.1) that a 24/96 file should sound worse than its 24/48 equivalent!

In 7.3.2, a new on-the-fly transcoding method for FLAC was introduced, using SOX to correctly downsample to 48kHz.

now 24/48 and 24/96 sound identical.

I think that in 7.3.1, they took away the "drop alternate sample" method and transcoded 24/96 via lame to 320bps MP3! (this is probably why 24/96 files don't play - you need to install LAME.EXE).

However - don't do this! Go to 7.3.2 instead and avoid turning high bitrate flacs into MP3!
regards
Phil

I just installed this and my very few 24/96 files now play just fine and sound very, very good!

Give it a try and let the rest of us know what you think.

Link to SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta

richidoo

Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #1 on: 13 Jan 2009, 05:58 pm »
Thanks Wayne, is this just for TP or for SB too? I always thought SB can't play 24bit files due to software volume control eating last 8bits, but people have recently suggested otherwise.
Thanks
Rich

Wayne1

Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #2 on: 13 Jan 2009, 06:31 pm »
This will work with the SB2, SB3, SBR and Transporter

It downsamples the 24/96 files to 24/48.

The SB software has always been able to play 24 bit.

The Transporter has a larger buffer so it can natively play 24/96

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #3 on: 13 Jan 2009, 07:28 pm »
This is probably a dumb question that shows my stupidity, but I will ask anyway.  Can the buffer be increased to play 24/96 natively?

Wayne1

Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #4 on: 13 Jan 2009, 07:56 pm »
Sorry, Rim,

That is a hardware issue. I do not believe there is enough physical space to add that capability.

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #5 on: 13 Jan 2009, 07:59 pm »
I thought Transporter played 24/96 natively?

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #6 on: 13 Jan 2009, 08:05 pm »
I figured it was a hardware issue.  It would take that much room to add a buffer?  :o  Would SB2 have enough room?

P.S. This is the conundrum I am in.  I want 24/96 from my Discless source.  I will not pay 2k for a transporter only to have most of it ripped out for mod.   A SB that will play 24/96 would be perfect.
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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #7 on: 13 Jan 2009, 08:19 pm »
I will not pay 2k for a transporter only to have most of it ripped out for mod.

So don't mod the bloody thing.  Is this becoming a requirement for admission to the audiophile club these days?

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #8 on: 13 Jan 2009, 08:21 pm »
I heard the stock.   :wink:

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #9 on: 13 Jan 2009, 09:00 pm »
I heard the stock.   :wink:

I have a modded one and couldn't be happier!!   :green:

rydenfan

Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #10 on: 13 Jan 2009, 09:21 pm »
I heard the stock.   :wink:

I have a modded one and couldn't be happier!!   :green:

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #11 on: 13 Jan 2009, 09:38 pm »
I will not pay 2k for a transporter only to have most of it ripped out for mod.

So don't mod the bloody thing.  Is this becoming a requirement for admission to the audiophile club these days?

If you heard the 2 side by side you'd understand by the mod is so desirable. :D

Cheers,
Robin

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #12 on: 13 Jan 2009, 10:29 pm »
I figured it was a hardware issue.  It would take that much room to add a buffer?  :o  Would SB2 have enough room?

P.S. This is the conundrum I am in.  I want 24/96 from my Discless source.  I will not pay 2k for a transporter only to have most of it ripped out for mod.   A SB that will play 24/96 would be perfect.

I second the motion!  That's ONE mod I'd gladly pay for (assuming reasonably priced)!

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #13 on: 15 Jan 2009, 03:32 am »



Couldn't agree more... I have an external DAC that I like and want to continue using, and I feel like spending that kind of dough on the TP is for the really nice DAC I don't need... A 24/96 SB would be perfect!!

And yeah, I understand that there isn't a whole lot of content yet, but I have some, and i'd love to be able to play it on an SB! ;p

Rashiki

Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #14 on: 15 Jan 2009, 04:21 am »
I was disappointed that the Duet receiver was designed for a maximum of 24/48 like the SB3. I was hoping they would've been able to squeeze in the extra circuitry to support 96kHz -- that would have prompted me to upgrade my SB3, but I'm more inclined to build my own solution rather than pay $2K for the transporter.

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #15 on: 15 Jan 2009, 04:30 am »
I heard the stock.   :wink:

I have a modded one and couldn't be happier!!   :green:

+1  :thumb:

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #16 on: 16 Jan 2009, 03:33 am »
I too would love a 24/96 SB duet.  I should probably spend my time on room treatments, but the idea of getting 24/96, or greater, content to my Bryston DAC is very appealing.

Quick question.  I read this in an article.  Trying to find out if it is true or not...

"I then burned the linear 24/96 stereo tracks to “Music DVD,” a highly useful mode contained in the Roxio Toast Versions 7-8 that allows stereo 24-bit/96 kHz linear music to be burned onto a regular DVD video disc. Almost any player can play these DVDs (except for most Sony players I have tried) and most will play it in full 24-bit/96 kHz resolution."

Rashiki

Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #17 on: 16 Jan 2009, 05:51 am »

There's some free software to create DVD-Audio discs and hybrid DVD-Audio/Video discs:
http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/

I thought that DVD-Video discs could only handle 16-bit 48kHz uncompressed audio or compressed Dolby Digital or DTS audio, but apparently the DVD Video specification does support uncompressed 24-bit 96kHz audio as well. I'll have to try that and see if my DVD player really outputs the high-res data.

 -Rob




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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #18 on: 16 Jan 2009, 10:58 am »
If you find a process that works, please share with me.  This might be a little off topic, so if necessary this can be taken to another thread.

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Re: 24/96 playback with SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
« Reply #19 on: 19 Jan 2009, 12:18 pm »
I just installed this and my very few 24/96 files now play just fine and sound very, very good!

Give it a try and let the rest of us know what you think.

Link to SqueezeCenter 7.3.2 beta
Sorry for the ignorance, but which of >THESE< eleven files are you downloading?
I'm needing just a little "101" on how to get the 7.3.2 beta software as opposed to doing the automatic way SC wants me to, which is the 7.3.1. version.


Thanks fellas,
Bob