I’mm Baack! My new neighbor has rejuvenated me! AVA and ACI ROCK ON!

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budyog

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I am posting this in both AVA and ACI because this is a positive testimonial for each.

I have a new neighbor and we have a lot in common. He likes the same music I do, loves concert videos, like to stand and grove to the music and best of all, he is hard of hearing
(I am sure my time will come) so, I now have someone who likes to listen at concert volumes! We get together on Friday nights, crank up my system, have some drinks and rock on!
I usually take 7 summer months off from my system to be out in my back yard/patio/pool so it is very refreshing to come in and listen. I have to say like I have several times in the past, man, my system sounds so good! I also have a new listening position. That is standing behind my couch near the back wall. I just love it there, it sounds so real live! I have a high back couch which makes a great arm/drink rest and there is something about being like a foot or two above the tweeter. I know we all strive for proper listening position, and this is out of the ordinary, but it just has this huge full concert sound presence that for serious listening, I stand behind my couch about a 1-2 feet away from the back wall! What a thrill!

And to Frank and Mike, it kicks arse!  Frank, I know what you are going to say, but long ago, after blowing the 4 amp and 5 amp fuses, I said the heck with it and put in 30amp. Mainly for the thickness of the metal inside the fuse (I had a hard time whether true or not, with all that sound not being degraded by that little wire in the fuse) but now, no problem and I push this system so hard, but it all holds up! I am not recommending you all do this. If I blow something, I will be contacting Frank or Mike and you guys can say, I told you so!! But I think you both are very cautious in your ratings and that is good for most people, but not me. Mike, I have never blown one of your speakers and I have had many. I am sure I have pushed some of them to their max! I should be your max tester!
I did also change my power cord on my 350 to a 12 gauge, 2 feet long to have 12 gauge from my breaker box, 6 feet away all the way into my amp. I will not get into if I heard a change or not, different thread and it was long ago. All I will say is all the things I have changed and the way I have it now makes it the system it is, GREAT!

I think I can now safely say (Mike, I will delete this if you want me too) but I cant keep it a secret any longer! I think I have the only pair of bi-ampable Panoramas made! I have them bi-wired now. I had hope to have them bi-amped by now but $$! My plan ($$ pending) is someday to get another 350 (make them both Ultras or Double Ultras and a new transport and a Ultra DAC along with, sell my TR-7 and get a Ultra SL. Just a dream right now! 
 
I don’t have much other then this to say so I stayed away for awhile but I had to say this again and if anyone here ever wants to join me and maybe my new neighbor on a Friday night or another time, let me know. I will put my system up against any system!
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I am posting this in both AVA and ACI because this is a positive testimonial for each.

I have a new neighbor and we have a lot in common. He likes the same music I do, loves concert videos, like to stand and grove to the music and best of all, he is hard of hearing
(I am sure my time will come)

Yes, if you continue to listen at levels that require a 30A speaker fuse, you certainly will find your time has come. :)


orthobiz



Yes, if you continue to listen at levels that require a 30A speaker fuse, you certainly will find your time has come. :)



What turkey said. At 53, I wish I had not listened to music so loud when I was younger. Trust me, it doesn't hurt, you don't know it's happening. And then your ears are ringing. It sucks.

Paul

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And to Frank and Mike, it kicks arse!  Frank, I know what you are going to say, but long ago, after blowing the 4 amp and 5 amp fuses, I said the heck with it and put in 30amp.

     You aren't removing the fuse, of course, but moving it - to the voice coils of the speaker!  And you might consider that it might seem great for a while, until you go deaf.  5 amps into 8 ohms (x2) is A LOT of power.

      Brett

saisunil

A genuinely happy post about audio ...

Enjoy your system and your neighbors. A panacea for good or bad economy!

Happiness is infectious.
Keep it up, share the joy ...

Cheers to good sound!

martyo

Welcome back.  :thumb:

Sounds as if you might be enjoying it again. :D

Is your system info on the systems page correct?


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And then your ears are ringing. It sucks.

Paul

You got that right.

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budyog

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I am posting this in both AVA and ACI because this is a positive testimonial for each.

I have a new neighbor and we have a lot in common. He likes the same music I do, loves concert videos, like to stand and grove to the music and best of all, he is hard of hearing
(I am sure my time will come)

Yes, if you continue to listen at levels that require a 30A speaker fuse, you certainly will find your time has come. :)




Yes, if you continue to listen at levels that require a 30A speaker fuse, you certainly will find your time has come. :)



What turkey said. At 53, I wish I had not listened to music so loud when I was younger. Trust me, it doesn't hurt, you don't know it's happening. And then your ears are ringing. It sucks.

Paul


Hey guys, lets not take this post in the listening level direction! It is not about my listening levels or what I may be doing to my ears! It is a testament of how good these two local companies build equipment. Also if you read my post fully, you will read the real reason I put 30 amp fuses in my amp!
Yes, I got tired of blowing 4 and 5 amp fuses, but the real reason is the gauge of the metal in the fuses that are music travels through, just like are thoughts/beliefs in the gauge of the power cord and speaker cables we use!
Frank builds in protection as he should, but I feel he publicly keeps his cool about his sound and build quality, as he should, that is why we are here, not to overrate it, just to tell it like it is, and this thread is about how great it is and another way one uses AVA products.
My goal has always been to achieve a concert sound/feel in my living room and being that I don’t go to concerts any more ( they are all getting old and passing away) so every once in a while I have them perform in my living room!
This is a post of how well these 2 companies build equipment that can hold up to extremes and I just so happen to be a guy that pushes them to the extreme every once in a while and they can take it!
Also, when I am listening at concert levels, I am not in the direct path of the speakers, I am above and 15 feet back and most of the time and because I have guest, I/we are off center. Yes, it is still loud, but smooth and full, better then a live amplified concert!
As I have read these posts for quit a while now, I have not read any about pushing the limit, so I thought I would post that I am one that does.
If anyone ever doubts the build quality of AVA, don’t, his products are superb and hold up to the extreme, trust me!
Another part of my post is the fact that I feel, I don’t know why, but the sound in my room seems to be best in a standing position! I thought how cool it would be to put my couch on a 1 foot high platform, but I know I could never get that but the wife factor!
I might lower my speakers, but there is more to it then that with the subs. It all just sounds so huge standing up near my back wall.
I also do not do this often and I have many other things currently in my life that I know are also not good for my ears, heck, I was  a  drummer playing 5-7 nights a week for over 8 years many years ago, I am sure that was not good!

Martyo, yes my equipment list is correct except lacking my woofer speaker wire which is 12 gauge Stinger silver stranded. Very nice wire.
Cheers!

P.S. My wife yelling at me to turn it down hurts my ears more then anything!  :lol:

Wayner

And to Frank and Mike, it kicks arse!  Frank, I know what you are going to say, but long ago, after blowing the 4 amp and 5 amp fuses, I said the heck with it and put in 30amp.

     You aren't removing the fuse, of course, but moving it - to the voice coils of the speaker!  And you might consider that it might seem great for a while, until you go deaf.  5 amps into 8 ohms (x2) is A LOT of power.

      Brett


P = R X Isquared.

P = Power (watts)
R = Resistance (8 ohms)
I = Amps (5 amps)

P =  8 X (5x5)

P = 8 X 25

P = 200 watts

Wayner  :D

martyo

I got it. Much bigger wire for all that music to pass thru.  :lol:  Probably 3/4's of my music is live and I try to listen at live levels, that's the allusion I am trying to recreate, live music. Recently I attended the Keith Jarrett Trio's concert at Orchestra Hall here in Chicago, 7th row center. When I listen at home, that is my reference, it's in the mid to upper 80 db range. The Dead or Stringcheese are gonna be in the low to mid 90's, not concert levels but cookin' pretty good.

I also increased the value of my fuses in my Ultra 550, from 5amps to 6amps, because on one particular cut on one of my favorites discs has so much energy in the low end that the right channel 5 amper would blow everytime. Frank STRONGLY advises against this,he doesn't want anyone blowing up their speakers.

I asked about your system because I see you have powered subs. Are the Panoramas an earlier model from ACI? Just trying to get the complete picture.  :D

Happy Listening

Brett Buck

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And to Frank and Mike, it kicks arse!  Frank, I know what you are going to say, but long ago, after blowing the 4 amp and 5 amp fuses, I said the heck with it and put in 30amp.

     You aren't removing the fuse, of course, but moving it - to the voice coils of the speaker!  And you might consider that it might seem great for a while, until you go deaf.  5 amps into 8 ohms (x2) is A LOT of power.

      Brett


P = R X Isquared.

P = Power (watts)
R = Resistance (8 ohms)
I = Amps (5 amps)

P =  8 X (5x5)

P = 8 X 25

P = 200 watts


Of course. And it's really 400 since presumably he is using 5 amps in each channel. Point being, it's really really loud at 87 db/watt or so.

    It's a matter of speculation how long that 40 ga. wire in the voice coil is going to tolerate >5 amps, but it won't be long.

     Brett

Wayner

Unless it's totally compressed, the music will not bang continuously at 200 watts per channel. I will say the boy is going to be deaf in short order as the power from these power amps are made to deliver clean dynamic transients. They are not PA amplifiers or PA speakers who's mission is completely different, play as loud as possible. Van Alstine amplifiers play as accurately (with authority, muscle) as possible.

Wayner

orthobiz


Hey guys, lets not take this post in the listening level direction! It is not about my listening levels or what I may be doing to my ears! It is a testament of how good these two local companies build equipment. Also if you read my post fully, you will read the real reason I put 30 amp fuses in my amp!

Glad you're having fun. You're on the circle, your buds care about you and your ears! That comment about your near deaf neighbor rang true for me, that's all.

Paul

budyog

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What, what, I can’t hear you, but I still can read!

Boy, some of you guys have taken all the fun out of this thread. I think I will start a new forum for us who enjoy having a good time with our systems.
For you downer guys, do you look at all the bad ramifications of all things you do! What a drag! You are not invited over!
And I think Frank could have at least chimed in and said, welcome back and I am glad you continue to enjoy your purchases from me! Thanks for the positive reviews!

My friend is not deaf; he is hard of hearing from a job accident.  We don’t get together all the time, so far just twice, maybe 3 because it is a Friday, not sure yet!
 
I knew I should not have posted, they always go off in the other direction!

Hey Wayner and Brett
Frank has told me of these equations in the past, but do you know of these equations?

FN (Friday night) + F (friend) + SOT x ? (Summit on Tap) + DVD concerts + GS (great system) = CIUAE (Crank it up and enjoy)

And this one

AVA + ACI + ACI  Subs x 2 + CIUAE = Wonderfulness

So what if I blow a speaker or 2. I have done it many times before, haven’t any of you?

I am sure the fiery hot, hot, hot sauce I make and eat will kill my taste buds!
I am sure all the smoke from the summer fires I have in my back yard is not good for my lungs!
And all the ribs and roast and chickens I roast will add to that along with all the carcinogens I eat from the grilling will do something not good!
I am sure all the chemicals I have played with during my mechanic days have damaged something inside me. And the list goes on.
I may or may not lose my hearing, but I think some of you should not get anything that has more then 100 watts!
I have read the comments on the Double 550 thread, why oh why would anyone ever want so many watts!

Thank you Saisunil and Martyo, at least a couple understand what and why posted, you two are invited over!
I like to rock, so let’s ROCK!  :drums:

Wayner

budyog,

We all know you love your music. We love that you love your music. We want you to enjoy loving your music. We are only making our cautionary statement for your benefit. No harm or ill-will intended. ROCK-ON man.  :lol:

However, some of us "older farts" speak with some sincerity and experience. I've been to a couple or 2 of loud concerts in my time. When I left them, my ears rang for a couple of days. That my friend is ear damage. It is irreversible.

That said, The plus side is that you are using AVA equipment which has ultra-low distortion (I believe that loudness + distortion really does the damage) and perhaps is lessening the impact.

If you want to take some very friendly, respectful advice, if you want to listen to music that loud, shorten the time you do it. That will help. I also believe that duration is the ear killer as well. So, if you keep the loud listening sessions to a more reasonable time, you may give your ears a break.

That's all, don't be mad at me, I'm just the piano player.

Wayner  aa

mcgsxr

Thanks for posting budyog, don't worry about the other posters, they just have a different opinion than you and in some cases are simply trying to ensure you know the risks.

Sounds like you do, and you are welcome to do as you will, of course.

I have blown up the odd set of speakers, though more in my youth than now, and still enjoy some exposure to higher volumes sometimes.  Having the kids around typically means low volume listening, but 2-3 times a year I get to crank it up some and enjoy!

Brett Buck

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What, what, I can’t hear you, but I still can read!

Boy, some of you guys have taken all the fun out of this thread. I think I will start a new forum for us who enjoy having a good time with our systems.
For you downer guys, do you look at all the bad ramifications of all things you do! What a drag! You are not invited over!

   Hey, I was just concerned for your *future* fun! I just want you to grasp the full effects of what you are doing, because it's not going to become evident for decades. I've got the same volume knob you do, and I get the idea.

      Brett

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Hey guys, lets not take this post in the listening level direction! It is not about my listening levels or what I may be doing to my ears! It is a testament of how good these two local companies build equipment. Also if you read my post fully, you will read the real reason I put 30 amp fuses in my amp!

Glad you're having fun. You're on the circle, your buds care about you and your ears! That comment about your near deaf neighbor rang true for me, that's all.

Paul


I agree 100%.

I won't get into the thicker wire inside the little fuses thing, but if you were regularly popping 4 and 5A fuses, you are almost certainly listening too loud.

It _will_ have an effect on your ears, and you _will_ regret it later. (When it's too late.)

One of my friends was very into stereo equipment when he was younger. Then things caught up with him and now he no longer owns a stereo system at all. He did a lot of shooting and also racing unmuffled cars without any ear protection, and now he's paying the price.






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I give up!  :banghead:  :surrender:

But before I do, let me clarify the blowing fuse thing! Like Martyo said, they would blow during certain parts of a song. Heck he has a 550 and has a 6 amp in his, I have a 350! I may not even blow a 6 amp. But I went to 30 for a different reason whether you believe the wire/power cord thing or not! It is just what I did like I did change my power cord!
I guess id rather this thread turn into the power cord discussion again instead of the route it has taken!

I cant wait for the AVA hearing aid DAC!  :D

Martyo, Yes the Panoramas are a discontinued  ACI speaker. http://www.audioc.com/SVold/panorama/panorama.htm It is to bad they are not available any more.

martyo

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I give up!  :banghead:

How about this icon instead: :surrender:

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I cant wait for the AVA hearing aid DAC!   :D

Keep that spirit.  :D

MY Ultra Double 550 will be here today.  aa   Uh oh!  :lol:

Budyog, you have a pm.