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Quote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 07:44 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 07:30 pmRobin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.No I'm not confused, I simply have a 6.1 system. Even so, I personally would still look at a7.1 system as having 2 rear "center" channel speakers and I feel using the word "center" does an adeguate job at differentiating the 6/7 channels from the actual surround channels 4/5. I'm sorry you have an issue with the way I look at things Ted but it makes perfect sense to me. Cheers,RobinRobin,I wasn't meaning to have an issue; sorry you took it that way. All I was saying is that the OP was asking about 7.1 and you were talking rear center speaker(s). The rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete.
Quote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 07:30 pmRobin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.No I'm not confused, I simply have a 6.1 system. Even so, I personally would still look at a7.1 system as having 2 rear "center" channel speakers and I feel using the word "center" does an adeguate job at differentiating the 6/7 channels from the actual surround channels 4/5. I'm sorry you have an issue with the way I look at things Ted but it makes perfect sense to me. Cheers,Robin
Robin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.
The rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete.
Quote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 09:56 pmThe rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete. You mean like this: http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_ex.htmlSee diagramsOr this: http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_IIx_faq_1.htmlWhich is a matrix, made up pseudo "stereo".
Quote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 09:56 pmQuote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 07:44 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 07:30 pmRobin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.No I'm not confused, I simply have a 6.1 system. Even so, I personally would still look at a7.1 system as having 2 rear "center" channel speakers and I feel using the word "center" does an adeguate job at differentiating the 6/7 channels from the actual surround channels 4/5. I'm sorry you have an issue with the way I look at things Ted but it makes perfect sense to me. Cheers,RobinRobin,I wasn't meaning to have an issue; sorry you took it that way. All I was saying is that the OP was asking about 7.1 and you were talking rear center speaker(s). The rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete. No problems Ted, I chalk it up to a tomato/tomatoe thingie. My consensus was I'd consider the surround speakers(4/5) as side surrounds on a 7.1 receiver before I'd consider the back surrounds(6/7) as the sides. And I still do. Cheers,Robin
Quote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 10:05 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 09:56 pmQuote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 07:44 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 07:30 pmRobin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.No I'm not confused, I simply have a 6.1 system. Even so, I personally would still look at a7.1 system as having 2 rear "center" channel speakers and I feel using the word "center" does an adeguate job at differentiating the 6/7 channels from the actual surround channels 4/5. I'm sorry you have an issue with the way I look at things Ted but it makes perfect sense to me. Cheers,RobinRobin,I wasn't meaning to have an issue; sorry you took it that way. All I was saying is that the OP was asking about 7.1 and you were talking rear center speaker(s). The rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete. No problems Ted, I chalk it up to a tomato/tomatoe thingie. My consensus was I'd consider the surround speakers(4/5) as side surrounds on a 7.1 receiver before I'd consider the back surrounds(6/7) as the sides. And I still do. Cheers,Robin Back as the sides?? Nobody does.
No, of course not. Dolby EX, as per the diagram, is a 6.1 setup, period; that's its definition. Mono rear center speaker.
Robin,Ted is correct and helped answer the original poster.Why can't you accept that and move on?BTW, I love the way BIG BLUE is kicking Dallas' ass all over the field!!Outside of Eli's mistake, it would be a shutout.Nice quack of a pass by Bollinger...can you say DOMINATION??George
Quote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 10:50 pmQuote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 10:05 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 09:56 pmQuote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 07:44 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 07:30 pmRobin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.No I'm not confused, I simply have a 6.1 system. Even so, I personally would still look at a7.1 system as having 2 rear "center" channel speakers and I feel using the word "center" does an adeguate job at differentiating the 6/7 channels from the actual surround channels 4/5. I'm sorry you have an issue with the way I look at things Ted but it makes perfect sense to me. Cheers,RobinRobin,I wasn't meaning to have an issue; sorry you took it that way. All I was saying is that the OP was asking about 7.1 and you were talking rear center speaker(s). The rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete. No problems Ted, I chalk it up to a tomato/tomatoe thingie. My consensus was I'd consider the surround speakers(4/5) as side surrounds on a 7.1 receiver before I'd consider the back surrounds(6/7) as the sides. And I still do. Cheers,Robin Back as the sides?? Nobody does. Not nobody,,, the author of this thread did,,,, or does he not count Ted?
Quote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 10:53 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 10:50 pmQuote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 10:05 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 09:56 pmQuote from: satfrat on 2 Nov 2008, 07:44 pmQuote from: ted_b on 2 Nov 2008, 07:30 pmRobin,You are confusing a back center channel (like a 6.1 setup with Dolby EX) with a true 7.1 setup where the back surrounds are separate and distinct. Not sure why you are using "center" so often in this discussion...it's only relevant in 6.1 setups..something no one on this thread has mentioned or set up.No I'm not confused, I simply have a 6.1 system. Even so, I personally would still look at a7.1 system as having 2 rear "center" channel speakers and I feel using the word "center" does an adeguate job at differentiating the 6/7 channels from the actual surround channels 4/5. I'm sorry you have an issue with the way I look at things Ted but it makes perfect sense to me. Cheers,RobinRobin,I wasn't meaning to have an issue; sorry you took it that way. All I was saying is that the OP was asking about 7.1 and you were talking rear center speaker(s). The rear speakers in a true 7.1 setup (or even good 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing algorithms like Logic7 or good DPLIIx) are indeed distinct non-mono info, steered or discrete. No problems Ted, I chalk it up to a tomato/tomatoe thingie. My consensus was I'd consider the surround speakers(4/5) as side surrounds on a 7.1 receiver before I'd consider the back surrounds(6/7) as the sides. And I still do. Cheers,Robin Back as the sides?? Nobody does. Not nobody,,, the author of this thread did,,,, or does he not count Ted? Now c'mon Robin, are you just doing this on purpose!!?? The OP asked, we set him straight (very early on as you might recall) then this back center channel mono thing (which is all about 6.1, NOT 7.1) came up. I tried to steer it back to a 7.1 discussion, and I quoted Dolby, etc. Now I'm sorry i got involved.
