Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED

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« Reply #20 on: 14 Oct 2008, 09:47 am »

As for the Bryston, I expect you'll find it a over-analytical. 

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I have an in-built Bryston DAC (similar to BDA-1) which simply sounds wonderful! I own the Altmann Attraction (full monty, with RWA battery) and Mhdt's Paradisea, both of which are NOS DACs with a reputation for sounding analog-like, and I can safely say that the Bryston DAC sounds more musical than these two. The Bryston's presentation is detailed but I would not say its overly analytical. In fact, my internet radio via SB3 is sounding so good I feel quite reluctant to mod the SB3. 
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mcullinan

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« Reply #21 on: 14 Oct 2008, 01:24 pm »
The Bryston isnt analytical in the least.. Its musical, lifelike, detailed and nicely balanced top to bottom with great extension in both directions. plus with reclocking/ well made power supplies you hear a lot of musical information that other DACs would miss.
Mike

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« Reply #22 on: 14 Oct 2008, 02:34 pm »
I am very happy with the Blue Circle SBD DAC.  But I like all their stuff.  Less than 2K with USB and two other inputs of your choice.

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #23 on: 14 Oct 2008, 04:15 pm »
wilsynet, so you recommend the Peter Daniel DAC over the Iroc, Brick and Nixon which you have also auditioned? Unfortunately, the only way to get a S/PDIF input as well as USB is to buy 2 boards and a switch,  and build it myself. They could both use the same power supply, though.

I am still waiting on Vinni Rossi's email informing me that I won the drawing for the Isabellina at RMAF....  :green:   If I wanted one I'd probably have to wait for one to come up used.


As for the Bryston, I will actually get the opportunity to A/B it with my AA gear soon. Of course, with my AA gear, I will need the Trends USB>SPDIF converter or a transport with S/PDIF out. One of the reasons I want a new DAC is to eliminate S/PDIF conversion, which should help SQ. If the PS Audio DLIII converts to S/PDIF thats enough reason to eliminate it, I'll email them to be sure. They are just down the road from me, so I could probably audition one. 

The BCA DACS are available with USB in as an option, not sure how its implemented though. The price is kinda high as well. I'll email them and see whats up.




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« Reply #24 on: 14 Oct 2008, 04:40 pm »
From having used both USB DAC's and both a Trends UD-10 and HagUSB to convert USB to SPDIF, I have to say that I do not think this conversion process is really that big a deal if you have a competent converter. I understand that it is an extra cable and box in between your source and your amp--thereby adding length to the signal path and a conversion step, but I just have not found it an issue. In fact, if the USB end of a USB DAC is not done properly, the results cold actually be worse. So, don't ignore a DAC just because you may have to use a USB converter.

At one time I had both the SPDIF version and the USB version of the Audiosector DAC. Was there a sonic difference I could discern? Not that I could tell reliably.

At the moment I am not willing to spend over 1K on a DAC. The Audiosector is an unqualified bargain as are many of the other DAC's noted above. Synergy with your system is critical with every component, I have found, so if at all possible try before you buy even if you have to buy used and sell at a slight loss. It will save you money in the end.



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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #25 on: 14 Oct 2008, 04:48 pm »
Peter will build the DAC for you...two front boards are necessary for two inputs...email Peter for details:

phdaniel@sympatico.ca

USB DAC converts direct to I2S...coax input uses S/PDIF first...

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #26 on: 14 Oct 2008, 05:06 pm »
USB DACs present themselves as USB audio class devices, and I believe put themselves in USB isochronous transfer mode which is sensitive to jitter, loss and latency.  I understand that people say that USB is digital and is perfect, but if you look at the USB spec and you look at the USB Audio class spec, and you reference the great work being done by Wavelength Audio and Empirical Audio then you'll see very quickly that it's not true.

It sure would be nice to see way more Firewire DACs -- Firewire is actually designed to transport media.

I know that one of the reasons for USB is that there are a number of single chip USB solutions, Firewire actually requires some engineering... and then there is the issue that Firewire built-in is only a given for Macs. But as the price keeps creeping up both of those should not be a consideration.

The Edirol USB DAC (with ADC) i picked up at the local flea market for a song is really quite good -- my next one will be a pro use Firewire DAC with 24/192 so that i can double its use for speaker measuring.

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #27 on: 14 Oct 2008, 05:30 pm »
From having used both USB DAC's and both a Trends UD-10 and HagUSB to convert USB to SPDIF, I have to say that I do not think this conversion process is really that big a deal if you have a competent converter. I understand that it is an extra cable and box in between your source and your amp--thereby adding length to the signal path and a conversion step, but I just have not found it an issue. In fact, if the USB end of a USB DAC is not done properly, the results cold actually be worse. So, don't ignore a DAC just because you may have to use a USB converter.

At one time I had both the SPDIF version and the USB version of the Audiosector DAC. Was there a sonic difference I could discern? Not that I could tell reliably.

At the moment I am not willing to spend over 1K on a DAC. The Audiosector is an unqualified bargain as are many of the other DAC's noted above. Synergy with your system is critical with every component, I have found, so if at all possible try before you buy even if you have to buy used and sell at a slight loss. It will save you money in the end.





Interesting. I will have to compare the USB in to the S/PDIF in via Trends UD-10 on the Bryston and see if I can tell a difference. I also notice you sold your Audiosector DAC for the Insight DAC, if I can't tell the difference w/USB in vs S/PDIF I will consider an Insight as well.

If this is all splitting hairs and these newer USB DACs aren't much better than my old AA gear / Trends UD-10 then I'm wasting my time. I guess I won't know until I do the A/B comparo.

 

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #28 on: 14 Oct 2008, 07:19 pm »
The Bryston isnt analytical in the least.. Its musical, lifelike, detailed and nicely balanced top to bottom with great extension in both directions. plus with reclocking/ well made power supplies you hear a lot of musical information that other DACs would miss.
Mike

My experience with oversampling, upsampling DACs is that they're either overanalytical, or too edgy, too harsh, which makes my ears bleed.  If that's not the case with the Bryston, then that is excellent.

mcullinan

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« Reply #29 on: 14 Oct 2008, 07:26 pm »
The Bryston isnt analytical in the least.. Its musical, lifelike, detailed and nicely balanced top to bottom with great extension in both directions. plus with reclocking/ well made power supplies you hear a lot of musical information that other DACs would miss.
Mike

My experience with oversampling, upsampling DACs is that they're either overanalytical, or too edgy, too harsh, which makes my ears bleed.  If that's not the case with the Bryston, then that is excellent.
Ive had both non os and os and Id say give it a listen, because I hade edgy harsh and analytical... so. The non OS DAC I owned was the Lavry DA10. Also a nice DAC.
Mike

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #30 on: 14 Oct 2008, 07:29 pm »
wilsynet, so you recommend the Peter Daniel DAC over the Iroc, Brick and Nixon which you have also auditioned?

To my ears, the Peter Daniels DAC is neck and neck with the Brick, and better than the iRoc.

The non OS DAC I owned was the Lavry DA10. Also a nice DAC.
Mike

As far as I can tell, the Lavry DA10 is not a non/zero-oversampling DAC, it's an oversampling, upsampling DAC.


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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #31 on: 14 Oct 2008, 09:16 pm »
FWIW, I consider the Nixon USBTD (with 3Xac) a close second to the Brick v1 (both are nos, direct to I2S). This is based on having used it in my own system, as well as a Benchmark Dac1 USB, a Hagerman Chime, and a Scott Nixon TubeDAC fed via a HagUSB converter. The newer async Brick v2 is even better than the v1, IMO.

mcullinan

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« Reply #32 on: 14 Oct 2008, 09:25 pm »
the Lavry is not upsampling. It will accept higher rates though.
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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #33 on: 14 Oct 2008, 11:06 pm »
I'd personally love to give the Brigatta a listen. USB straight to I2S using low the low jitter software created my Musiland for their Lilo III.

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #34 on: 14 Oct 2008, 11:48 pm »
The new Cambridge DacMagic just came out, and it would be my first choice regardless - for price ($400) and features alone - although it is reputed to sound great.  It has been cleaning up in the British review magazines.  I would buy one, but the stock market keeps taking my money.   :thumb:

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #35 on: 14 Oct 2008, 11:57 pm »

I am still waiting on Vinni Rossi's email informing me that I won the drawing for the Isabellina at RMAF....  :green:   If I wanted one I'd probably have to wait for one to come up used.


Hi DaveC113,

We announced the winner here:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=60050.msg539141#msg539141

Also, the Isabellina's three digital inputs (USB, coax, and optical) are switchable.

Thanks for visiting us at RMAF!

Vinnie


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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #36 on: 15 Oct 2008, 12:53 am »
Thanks, but I'm not Josh from Lakewood  :evil:  Thanks for the opportunity though!

Unfortunately, evaluating DACs at RMAF was impossible. Let me know if you have a cosmetically challenged DAC, or one that otherwise can't be sold as new you want to get rid of   :green:... I'm not in a hurry, so even if its a couple months from now I may not have pulled the trigger on anything yet. 

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #37 on: 15 Oct 2008, 01:10 am »
Dave.,

There will be an Isabellina here before too long :D.

Wilsynet -- yup, I did it -- thanks for all your input over the last month or two.

I had narrowed things down to Audio Sector, Bryston, Cambridge, RWA, and Brick or Cosecant, and for a variety of reasons, the RWA was my final choice, but I'm sure I'll pick up a Cambridge at some point too.

Bottom line is that there are really a lot of damned good DACs out there these days and a lot of it is going to come down to system synergy and personal tastes, and there is probably a good match for everybody in more than one price class.

-- Jim

pardales

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« Reply #38 on: 15 Oct 2008, 01:14 am »

Bottom line is that there are really a lot of damned good DACs out there these days and a lot of it is going to come down to system synergy and personal tastes, and there is probably a good match for everybody in more than one price class.

-- Jim



I agree with this sentiment 100%

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Re: Best sounding, Reasonably priced USB enabled DAC - HELP NEEDED
« Reply #39 on: 15 Oct 2008, 01:24 am »
I have not heard any of the dacs already mentioned in this thread although i really would like to try the peter daniel nos unit.  Not to throw a wrench on the proceedings but i think you cant lose trying a used mhdt paradesa usb dac.  I use mine 4-8 hours a day and it is unfailingly musical.  Plus you can adjust the sound per tube.  If you buy it used you can flip it pretty fast if you dont like it.  I think its a great bargain in the audio world although it is a polar opposite of my other dac a modded meitner bitstream.....