DakiOm Feedback Stabilizers

Tubes 4 Ever · « **on:** 9 May 2008, 02:01 pm »

It seems like it has been awhile since this product topic has been discussed and I am curious if anyone that has used these stabilizers for some time has any new info or updates. John (TheChairGuy)I know you jumped on them some time ago and was curious to new feedback.
Tubes-Tim

Charles Calkins · « **Reply #1 on:** 9 May 2008, 02:30 pm »

I've got them. CD to pre and pre to amps. They seem to do something that makes things sound better. Definitely not a night and day difference just a subtle difference.

Cheers
Charlie

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #2 on:** 9 May 2008, 03:48 pm »

As Charlie says, not exactly night and day...except with older CDP's that are horrendous to listen to, they actually make them worthy of listening. In that way, they are quite amazing.

I'm sold on their merits for the cheapest $59 ones.....I do not know how much better the $99 ones are or the even-newer mono (I think $199 for the pair) versions over the original (both were produced well after purchasing my Dakiom's).

http://www.dakiom.com/

I like my $39 COBY well enough, but wonder if I could wring out more performance by trading up with my Dakiom's. The thought of $200 Dakiom's with a $39 CDP gives me pause, however

The Dakiom offices are in San Jose (50 miles south of me) and they have an open offer for folks that want demonstrating (with appts), I just haven't taken them up on it (and should one day).

Charlie - your probably about the same distance from them as me in the Bay area.

EDIT: I just looked at their website and they are cheaper than previous. The R103 is now only $39 (for CD players and the like...it has rca, or XLR, jacks) and the top-of-the-line is $129 if I'm reading it right

For that money, I might try upgrading.

I haven't found the 'A' series, for amps, to be as effective...but the 'R' series has been mighty helpful in enjoying CD/redbook. I like my current $200 digital front end investment more than my prior $4K one (and some of that is due to the Dakiom used)

John

Charles Calkins · « **Reply #3 on:** 9 May 2008, 04:10 pm »

John:

Yep just about. I'm in Martinez. I've got the 263's. Only $50.00 more than the cheapies. Don't know if they are any better than the cheapies but for only $50.00 more I got them.

Cheers
Charlie

emac · « **Reply #4 on:** 9 May 2008, 05:23 pm »

I've been using them for over 2 years. 1 set on my pre-amp and the other on my amp. They seem to help things out nicely. Not a huge improvement, but noticeable. There's been twice where I've had to take apart my system and I've forgotten to put the Dakioms back in. I noticed that things just didn't seem to gel quite as well I was used to. I'd look in the back and realize that I'd forgotten to put the Dakioms back on. Problem solved. So, not a blind test, but close enough for me.

SET Man · « **Reply #5 on:** 9 May 2008, 10:19 pm »

Hey!

Interesting.

I will take a wild guess that the result is more noticeable with solid state than tube.

So, with all of you who have posted so far. You are all use this with SS equipment right? I'm curious about this.

I will explain why I said that later.

Take care,
Buddy

Charles Calkins · « **Reply #6 on:** 9 May 2008, 11:13 pm »

I have a tube pre and solid state amps. Personally I stay away from tube amps. Suppose a tube or two should crap out. I'd be up a creek without a paddle. Got no way to test tubes. Pre has two tubes. One goes bad it's either for the left or right channel. I can figure that out.

Cheers
Charlie

chadh · « **Reply #7 on:** 9 May 2008, 11:39 pm »

Regardless of how these things work, I think the firm should be supported, if only to ensure that they continue to post their fantastic ads on Audiogon. Maybe I'm the only one, but I find them immensely entertaining.

Chad

HumanMedia · « **Reply #8 on:** 10 May 2008, 01:24 am »

I bought one way back, but know that I know better, I would DIY (Do It Yourself), after all they are just a couple of capacitors and resistor for each channel.

Here are DIY instructions on how to make even better ones for less than 10% of the cost of the Dakiom ones:

http://alanmaherdesigns.com/Documents/HRSCF_Project_rev-1.pdf

emac · « **Reply #9 on:** 10 May 2008, 02:47 am »

Quote from: HumanMedia on 10 May 2008, 01:24 am

I bought one way back, but know that I know better, I would DIY (Do It Yourself), after all they are just a couple of capacitors and resistor for each channel.

Here are DIY instructions on how to make even better ones for less than 10% of the cost of the Dakiom ones:

http://alanmaherdesigns.com/Documents/HRSCF_Project_rev-1.pdf

That's interesting. Would considering making some if I had the time.

And I'm using all solid state. Though the dakiom's supposedly work with tubes, I think the results are going to vary more than with solid state.

NewBuyer · « **Reply #10 on:** 10 May 2008, 03:40 am »

Quote from: HumanMedia on 10 May 2008, 01:24 am

I bought one way back, but know that I know better, I would DIY (Do It Yourself), after all they are just a couple of capacitors and resistor for each channel.

Here are DIY instructions on how to make even better ones for less than 10% of the cost of the Dakiom ones:

http://alanmaherdesigns.com/Documents/HRSCF_Project_rev-1.pdf

I agree, that is very interesting stuff there. Are you sure these would be even better than the Dakioms?

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #11 on:** 10 May 2008, 03:43 am »

Have to tell you that my results with the rca/line feedback stabilizer and the speaker stabilizer has been conclusive each time tried....the real benefit is with CD players and cheap stereo receivers (like my old Onkyo serving in my modest video system).

I haven't heard real benefits with any of the speakers I've tried them with...or separates preamp or amps (SS). But, it could come down to specifics....I clearly remember it made worse the MSB Gold Link III DAC I had....perhaps because feedback was already well damped or controlled with it.

They work best with high, somehow unregulated, feedback devices...so it's been of no benefit to any tube gear (Dukane and Bell vintage amps and a Quicksilver tube preamp) I've used it with.

If your gonna' try one, buy the rca version for your CD/DVD player...I've found that to be the most positive contribution overall.

John

zmanbands · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 May 2008, 01:40 pm »

The Speaker HRSCF DIY filters referred to above at the Alan Maher site. Is anyone making these for sale? I need them for 2 biwire speakers but don't want to make them.

Tubes 4 Ever · « **Reply #13 on:** 10 May 2008, 09:21 pm »

I am getting the feeling that most feel these are like magic pixie dust. I personally have converted to using my hard drive as a source so no need on that line and it sounds like the speaker side does not warrant any looking. Thanks

zmanbands · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 May 2008, 09:41 pm »

Tubes, did you read the DIY link for Alan Maher above. I have a great deal of confidence in Alan and Chris da Costa who wrote up the DIY project on HRSCF. Both great guys.

Tubes 4 Ever · « **Reply #15 on:** 10 May 2008, 10:33 pm »

Yep sure did. But I should state I am as stubborn as an old mule too. I work in an industry that is loaded with experts and rarely are they correct in the application of theory. It is my modest opinion that theory and reality most of the time are parallel issues and rarely intersect. With that said I approach even the lowest cost new and improved idea with a healthy dose of skepticism. I can hear the difference between a tube amp and a SS amp, that is concrete. Anyway no need for rambling, I guess if I heard from those who posted a definite change in system sonics I would feel differently but I do not think that is what I read.

NewBuyer · « **Reply #16 on:** 11 May 2008, 02:19 am »

Quote from: zmanbands on 10 May 2008, 01:40 pm

The Speaker HRSCF DIY filters referred to above at the Alan Maher site. Is anyone making these for sale? I need them for 2 biwire speakers but don't want to make them.

There are these ones described in the article.

I've never heard them, but who knows... they do have a 30-day trial.

zmanbands · « **Reply #17 on:** 11 May 2008, 06:10 am »

Who offers a 30 day trail on the HRSCF and what do they cost?

NewBuyer · « **Reply #18 on:** 12 May 2008, 12:17 am »

Quote from: zmanbands on 11 May 2008, 06:10 am

Who offers a 30 day trail on the HRSCF and what do they cost?

I was referring to the link in my last post.

zmanbands · « **Reply #19 on:** 12 May 2008, 01:07 am »

Thanks NewBuyer, I missed it before!