Proof of existence...

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JoshK

Proof of existence...
« on: 23 Mar 2008, 06:12 pm »
On another forum I frequent, a project doesn't exist until you shown pictures to prove it.  So here I thought I'd create a bit of a project blog/diary with some pictures of project progress.  I was hoping to get the ball rolling and then maybe I'll turn it into a bit of a construction thread later with more pictures of the steps. 

For now, it will just be proof that the projects exist and are under way.  Excuse my lame pictures as I am not much of a photographer.  An expensive camera does not a photographer make. 

First up, some pictures of my Karna amp project.  I just started it this weekend.  I drilled out one PSU chassis and started putting it together before I ran out of fasteners. 



I might put the chokes underneath as they are kinda ugly, but they are a little taller than the pan is deep.  However, I was planning to make a wood base that was taller than the pan with kerfs for the lips to sit into.  So I still may put the chokes underneath, or make covers for them.   

The two black transformers are B+ transformers one for the input/driver and one for the output, these are from Bud Purvine at Onetics.  There are no filament windings on these, all filaments are seperate transformers.  The grey transformer in the middle is a 6.3V 7amp filament transformer for the diode dampers.  I got this from surplussales.  Its old stock, completely potted and sealed.  The chokes, from diyaudio, are 10H 250mA low dcr C-core chokes.  One for output B+, one for input/driver B+.

Next up is the main signal chassis for one channel...


This shows how I did the layout.  I tape graph paper to the top of the chassis, then layout everything as I like. Trace the holes and size with a pencil, then I drill out with my drill press.  It isn't laser/cnc quality, but it works.   I did the PSU chassis this way, but didn't take pictures of that step.

The input splitter is Tribute, the anode choke, interstage tx and OPTs are Lundahl amorphous. Right there you have a crap load of money.  I am really going on faith that this will turn out well.  I have certainly invested enough.

The black transformer is the filament transformer for the DHTs, both the 45's and the 300B's.  The little grey one is a 6.3V/1.2a filament transformer for the input tube(s) also obtained from surplussales. 

Right now I am contemplating using the front end from K&K's PP300B amp proposed a long while back. It is topologically the same as the PP Input section up on his site now but with 2a3/45's instead of the 6bx7s.  It was taken down some time ago but I still have a copy.  This means that I need to edit some things in order to fit the K&K input section into the Karna amp using the Karna's input/driver PSU circuit. 

The key differences are in the original Karna circuit the input tube is a 5687 loaded into an interstage transformer into the 45's into another interstage.  With K&K's, the input tube is a 6SN7, although you could also use a 5687, DC coupled to the 45's with a PP anode choke load on the 6SN7's.  Kevin stated that he liked this front end better in his own amps.  It takes one interstage out of the signal path and DC couples the two stages together while still giving the input tube a choke loading.  I like it.  Izzy-wizzy's site has shown a few variations of these ideas with his 813 PP amp based on the same topology as the Karna.


Here is the side by side, one PSU chassis and one Signal chassis.  Mind you this is for one channel only.



Next up is the state of my Aikido preamp...



I was planning to go into the basement and try to start on the base today.  We'll see if that happens.

I have a main signal chassis and seperate PSU chassis.  I was experimenting with painting and color on the PSU chassis.  I don't think it will stay this color though, especially since I scratched the hell out of it when futzing around on the inside.   It has a Felix built in, btw.

Underside of the top plate...

« Last Edit: 23 Mar 2008, 07:10 pm by JoshK »

TomS

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #1 on: 23 Mar 2008, 06:32 pm »
Looks like a fun project, but that's a bunch of sheet metal work.  That would definitely make me crazy!  Keep 'em coming.

JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #2 on: 23 Mar 2008, 06:56 pm »
Its all aluminum so its pretty easy to work with.  I use my drill press with drill bits and hole punches and then clean it up with a deburrer and sometimes a file if I need to make it bigger.

The Kt88 SET amp is waiting on a larger plate from onlinemetals.com, where I got the raw aluminum for the Aikido topplate.  The Karna is being made up from aluminum bakepans....these I get from surfasonline.com.  The PSU chassis is the 10" x 15" size and the main chassis is 12" x 18".  Not much more expensive, if at all, then buying the aluminum sheets. It is also a bit easier to work on the pan then a plate because it sits up a few inches (in this case 2").  But the lips create a minor problem to solve...cut them off or build around them.


JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #3 on: 23 Mar 2008, 07:00 pm »
The album with the rest of the pictures....  not too many more yet.

markC

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #4 on: 24 Mar 2008, 07:44 pm »
Any reason that you chose a mix of Sonicaps & Auricaps; or were they "in stock"?

JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #5 on: 24 Mar 2008, 10:57 pm »
What I had in my junk drawer.  The Sonic Cap is a PSU bypass cap, not a coupling cap (well not in the traditional sense anyway).  The Auricap is the secondary coupling cap for comparison to some bespoke Russian old stock PIO caps as the primary cc.  Everything I've read about them says that they handly beat out the best current made caps.  They also are reasonably cost too.

I am not married to any particular cap as it is pretty darn easy to desolder and put in a new cap, especially with the PCB setup to switch between two CC's anyway. 

Brad

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #6 on: 25 Mar 2008, 02:08 am »
Josh - you've got enough projects going you must need your own photographer  :D

kyrill

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #7 on: 26 Mar 2008, 11:56 am »
good idea Josh  text about projects  is only conceptual information, (clear) pictures are more than that, it gives an experience

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Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #8 on: 26 Mar 2008, 03:28 pm »
Josh,

Don't let anybody accuse of being an 'armchair' audiophile  :nono:. If they do, promptly send them to me  :duel:. Just tackling a Karna like amplifier immediately puts you in the BIG LEAGUE :weights:.

Kudos  :dance:,

Anand.

JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #9 on: 27 Mar 2008, 01:14 am »
I think the #1 hardest part about building the Karna will be the grounding.  Loops need to be small for the AC current paths.  It took a lot of studying before I even started to begin to understand the problem.  I still am not 100% sure I comprehend it fully but at some point you have to dive in and try. 

Dan Banquer forever changed the way I look at grounding, or at least he inspired me to try to understand the problem and from there I tried to learn skilled builder's technics. 

richidoo

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #10 on: 27 Mar 2008, 01:25 am »
Amazing stuff Josh. I will attend a NY Rave just to hear Karna play in the flesh. I have heard about many of your projects through the grapevine, but it is fun to see the pics. I admire Dan too, a great designer and man. I hope you will pass along some of your secrets as "The Lab" Honcho whenever you see opportunities. Congrats on your new post, well deserved!
Rich

MarkM

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #11 on: 27 Mar 2008, 08:47 pm »
The chokes, from diyaudio, are 10H 250mA low dcr C-core chokes.  One for output B+, one for input/driver B+.



Did you buy the chokes from someone over on diyaudio.com or another site?  I have been looking for a couple of C-core 4H 400ma low dcr for the power supply for a PP EL34 based amp. 


JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #12 on: 27 Mar 2008, 08:49 pm »
I wrote diyaudio.com, but meant diyhifisupply.com.  I bought them off of DHFS on ebay.  They don't seem to have them anymore, but they may have the smaller chokes.   With shipping costs it may be easier to buy some hammonds stateside.

JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #13 on: 27 Mar 2008, 08:52 pm »
P.S.  they aren't cheap but you should consider lundahl 1638/4h

MarkM

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #14 on: 27 Mar 2008, 09:21 pm »
Figures you scored them from a Hong Kong source.   Probably $20-30 each.   I did see the 1638/4h, but they are pricey for this project, not ruled out.   I like the C-core because it can mount underneath a shallow chassis.

JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #15 on: 27 Mar 2008, 09:31 pm »
I think with shipping they were $50/ea for 4, more if ordered less. 

MarkM

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #16 on: 28 Mar 2008, 08:53 pm »
Checked out diyhifisupply website and stumbled upon these for your DHT project.  Not familiar with the Karna design, I will have to check it out.

http://www.diyhifisupply.com/parts/filament%20manual.pdf





JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #17 on: 28 Mar 2008, 09:13 pm »
I saw those an hour or two ago.  I was aware of Tentlab's ones before. Both are very expensive IMO.  I prefer to concoct my own solution.   Clarisonic's blog has an article or two on the subject and show some solutions.  Basically Felix rears its head in a DC type application. 

JoshK

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #18 on: 13 Jul 2008, 08:05 pm »
Some updates...

the Karna PSU Chassis got a paint job.



here you can see both psu chassis's and the aikido top plate.



here is the uber beam machine top plate



getting ready to be epoxied together (which I just got done doing)...


kyrill

Re: Proof of existence...
« Reply #19 on: 16 Jul 2008, 07:05 pm »
Ah  how wonderful if you can do this yourself  :D

your amps had been proven now, but are you Josh?
What is your proof of existence??
Can you show us some photo's?
 :green: