RWA Sig 30 vs. Sig 30.2 showdown....

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dburna

RWA Sig 30 vs. Sig 30.2 showdown....
« on: 24 Feb 2008, 05:48 pm »
OK, that's a bit of hyperbole.  Besides, I'm not a "showdown" kind of guy.  I just like listening to the music.

However, I did have the opportunity last week to listen to my Sig 30 side-by-side with Zack's (ZLS) Omega-clad Sig 30.2.  I wanted to hear (for myself) if it was worth the cost of upgrading before committing the funds.  It's not that I don't trust reviewers these days, it's just that I don't seem to hear the same things that they do.  At least one of us must be out-to-lunch.   :lol:  No, it's more likely due to differences in equipment, rooms, etc.  After many false starts with equipment, I get very wary when reviewers go over-the-top in their praise for new gear.  Often their prose (or enthusiasm...or both) gets ahead of the reality.  So, I didn't want to make any more changes to my system before listening first.

I'll cut to the chase.  Here's what I learned/heard:
1. The Sig 30/30.2 comparison isn't even close.  It took about 10 seconds to hear the difference.  Better balance, a little more warmth, way better bass control, just a little more relaxed.  Anyone who is thinking of an upgrade, just do it.  Even if it's just the sonic upgrade, go for it -- you won't (can't?) be disappointed.
2. Louis does some lovely, lovely work on the Sig 30 boxes.  Veneer work is great.  I have a pair of Omega Aperiodic 8s in red Parisian maple in our basement (video) system, and the covering on ZLS's box is just as lovely.  I'm sorely tempted to give my amp the "Omega treatment" as well.
3. I thought I knew a bit about 40's-60's jazz.  I don't know squat.  ZLS is the new "man" in my book.  A veritable encyclopedia of knowledge about all things jazz.  Nice guy, too.  I have about 4k discs on my PC-based system, but Zack kept asking for things I didn't have (which doesn't happen all that often).   :duh:  Thanks again, Zack, for stopping by with your gear on such a cold, cold night (of which there have been many in Chicago this winter). 
4. I am convinced that the Sig 30.2 does not reach its full potential (substantial though it may be as a standalone unit) without a pre-amp.  I can't prove that assertion because I haven't heard a system that used the RWA amp along with a pre-amp, but call it a strong hunch.  The 6Moons and Tone Publications reviews seemed to suggest as much as well.  To use an analogy, the Sig 30.2 is a Pro Bowl QB;  it can execute any plays you call with great skill.  A great pre-amp would be the coach, providing the game plan and the direction.  Together, the two make a tremendous team.  Discussions in another thread I started ("What pre-amp do you use with your RWA Sig 30.2?") confirm that RWA customers are using this with some top-notch pre-amps to great effect. 
5. Regarding point #4, perhaps it's just my ears/preferences, but the slightest touch of euphony (coloration?) from a pre-amp would be the final icing on the cake. 

Anyway, I thought I'd provide some perspective on what I had heard comparing the two amps.  I hope this helps anyone who is on the fence about an upgrade.  Go do it and don't look back.  You won't be sorry.

-dB (the B stands for 'Bass response')
 

Gear/system set-up:
1. 8-year old POS Dell laptop
2. Hagerman USB->S/PDIF converter
3. Altmann Attraction DAC with all the trimmings
4. RWA Sig 30 (no pre-amp)
5. Stealth PGS interconnects/ZCables speaker cables
6. Horning Perikles Ultimate speakers (96dB, 8 ohms)
« Last Edit: 25 Feb 2008, 03:02 pm by dburna »

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Re: RWA Sig 30 vs. Sig 30.2 showdown....
« Reply #1 on: 24 Feb 2008, 06:52 pm »
Thanks for your comments about how they compare....guess I should go look for my Sig. 30 box. :wink:



Vinnie....
You should make this a sticky....for those looking for the upgrade info.
(I would guess the time horizon may now be longer... :scratch: ...your busy.)

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=44868.0

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Re: RWA Sig 30 vs. Sig 30.2 showdown....
« Reply #2 on: 24 Feb 2008, 11:02 pm »
I did the upgrade and consider the value to be a no-brainer. I've spent $500 on new cables, only to say, yeah they definitely sound different. But are they really better, or just different? There is no question that the $500 - $1,000 for this upgrade improves the sound. Kent

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Re: RWA Sig 30 vs. Sig 30.2 showdown....
« Reply #3 on: 24 Feb 2008, 11:46 pm »
    Dave,

    I thank you for your most gracious invitation to your beautiful home.  I appreciate the compliment, but I am not an expert on jazz. 
    The Signature 30.2 is audibly superior to the Sig 30.  It can literally be heard from the very first note.  The cost to upgrade represents an extraordinary value in high end audio products today; or as I like to say it is "Stupid Good"  It seems that all of us who have experienced the upgrade have very emphatic opinions on its value; take the hint you will not be sorry. 

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Re: RWA Sig 30 vs. Sig 30.2 showdown....
« Reply #4 on: 25 Feb 2008, 02:14 pm »
Hi dburna,

Thank you for your excellent post regarding the Signature 30 vs. the Signature 30.2, and thank you to ZLS for visiting dburna!  Glad you guys had fun listening and chatting about music (Yes, ZLS really knows his 40s - 60s jazz and I've purchased a lot of great albums based on his recommendations!). 

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5. Regarding point #4, perhaps it's just my ears/preferences, but the slightest touch of euphony (coloration?) from a pre-amp would be the final icing on the cake. 

I agree and this has been a big motivation for the upcoming Isabella.  Also, the post that you started here is also great!
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=51309.0

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Vinnie....
You should make this a sticky....for those looking for the upgrade info.
(I would guess the time horizon may now be longer...  ...your busy.)

Hi Chris,

Yes, I'm really behind but I can still squeeze in upgrades, so feel free to email me to schedule this in... no problem.

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There is no question that the $500 - $1,000 for this upgrade improves the sound. Kent

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The Signature 30.2 is audibly superior to the Sig 30.  It can literally be heard from the very first note.  The cost to upgrade represents an extraordinary value in high end audio products today; or as I like to say it is "Stupid Good"

Thanks, guys!  Glad you are enjoying your 30.2s!  8)

Vinnie