Vintage

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Read 9874 times.

mark funk

Vintage
« on: 19 Feb 2008, 10:42 pm »
I saw this on eBay. A vintage Van Alstine Model 2 amp. I have never seen one of these before. The chassis don't look like a Dynaco or a Halfer? Has a sticker on the back (Van Alstine Audio Systems #280804 inspected by SHK) looks cool.  :smoke:

avahifi

  • Industry Contributor
  • Posts: 4698
    • http://www.avahifi.com
Re: Vintage
« Reply #1 on: 19 Feb 2008, 11:25 pm »
Ah yes, the original Van Alstine Audio Systems units - later know as VA Systems.

The short version of the long sad story is that I went into business with three partners back in the late 1960s.  I quickly realized I was wanted mostly for the promotional value of my name, such as it was.  I was finally just outvoted 3 to 1 on most issues.  I saw this was going no place and sold my stock back to them and got out, with the provisions that my name was supposed to come off of the products and that I be supplied with samples and service data on the models as they came out.  These conditions never happened and the company just faded away a few years later leaving a string of unpaid bills. I went back to running my own Jensens Stereo Shop, changing the name later to Audio by Van Alstine after getting far too many calls late at night to do while you wait warranty repairs on dingbats' Jensen car radios and them being pissed off when I declined.

The Model Two was the last unit built while I still had something to do with the company.  It takes some things from my earlier Double 400 (very highly modified Dyna 400, later lifted in whole by Dynaco and renamed the Dyna 416 - no thanks or credit to me).  Yes, Wade Burns of Dyna did the 16 output transistor output stage design and let me use it, but I took it from drawings to actual product and a whole lot more- like noting and fixing a really screwed up slave output driver design.

Anyway, the VA Systems Model Two was an outstanding amplifier for its time, but its time was nearly 40 years ago.  There are a whole lot of unobtainium parts in it, such as the power supply capacitors which were in a special ordered size to be act as the hold-up brackets for the audio boards as well as basic supply caps.  We have no service data on it at all and cannot cost effectively repair it.  By cost effective, I mean that almost always a bung one will be less expensive to replace than repair.

A good working one might still be a nifty thing to have, assuming it really is a good working one.  One boxed away for years MUST be brought up very very slowly (12 hours or more) on an AC variac to protect and reform the electrolytic capacitors or they are sure to fail.  And remember that if it poops out, your investment likely has too.

We would suggest that anything later that we have produced, either in our own chassis, or Dyna or Hafler rebuilds (in the Jensens Stereo Shop or Audio by Van Alstine name), are probably safer used purchases.  First of all we will still service them.  Second, they are all likely to be a bit or a lot newer.  Third we built them to be as bulletproof as possible, and with the Hitachi power mos-fet output circuits they proved out to be bulletproof long term.  Oh yes, we still have a good supply of Hitachi mos-fets in stock for the infrequent repairs of our old equipment and we want to keep them running.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

P.S.  The original VA Systems Model One preamp is even a poorer risk for service now.  All the active circuits were done in now unserviceable potted modules against my advice.




martyo

Re: Vintage
« Reply #2 on: 20 Feb 2008, 12:19 am »
Good story Frank. (We'd like more stories from the "old days")

Mark, what are you doing on eBay again, must have gotten in some listening.  :lol:

mark funk


mark funk

Re: Vintage
« Reply #4 on: 13 Dec 2008, 06:40 pm »
My last FM-3 has run out of gas and I saw this on Ebay. I wounder if Frank can upgrade something this old?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300280458866&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us   

                                                      :smoke:

avahifi

  • Industry Contributor
  • Posts: 4698
    • http://www.avahifi.com
Re: Vintage
« Reply #5 on: 14 Dec 2008, 12:16 am »
This AVA Super Tuner, although old, might still be quite nice.  I see the seller claims that the front end seems to be good and the oscillation test at the top end of the scale is valid.  I would have to see it to see what could be improved.

Ask the seller to remove the heavy counterweight from the tuning knob shaft and pack that separately to avoid bending the shaft if it gets dropped heavily in shipment.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

turkey

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 1888
Re: Vintage
« Reply #6 on: 14 Dec 2008, 07:16 pm »
This AVA Super Tuner, although old, might still be quite nice.  I see the seller claims that the front end seems to be good and the oscillation test at the top end of the scale is valid.  I would have to see it to see what could be improved.

Ask the seller to remove the heavy counterweight from the tuning knob shaft and pack that separately to avoid bending the shaft if it gets dropped heavily in shipment.

Another option might be a Sony XDRF1HD.

I suppose the Sony might be lacking a bit since it doesn't have an AVA output section, but it's pretty darn good just as it is IMO.

My Dad was into tuners, put together some of his own, bought some good ones including a Mac or two. I find that the reception on this little Sony is better than any of the tuners my Dad had.

(I'm listening to NPR on mine as I type this.) :)


avahifi

  • Industry Contributor
  • Posts: 4698
    • http://www.avahifi.com
Re: Vintage
« Reply #7 on: 15 Dec 2008, 09:27 pm »
If you can find a Philips FT-920 tuner in good working order, we can still install a complete new audio board, power supply and all, in it for $449.  It will provide outstanding musicality.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

mark funk

Re: Vintage
« Reply #8 on: 15 Dec 2008, 10:20 pm »
WOW, that's cool Frank! I like to play the FM a lot and all five of my FM-3s have run out of gas. I'm down to a Pioneer SX 9100 from the 70s. You know the Pioneer sure does look nice but it sure does sound bad.  :smoke:

plaf26

Re: Vintage
« Reply #9 on: 16 Dec 2008, 04:39 pm »
Mark, are you familiar with the FM3 Zone?  They have lots of mods, parts and ways to keep the FM3 going.  I am also a Sony XDRF1HD user and like it very much.  I've also tried the Tivoli Audio Model One.  If you go that route, make sure you get one with stereo output jacks.  My first one didn't seem to have them, but my current one does.

bregez

Re: Vintage
« Reply #10 on: 16 Dec 2008, 05:13 pm »
FYI
Bill Thomas may be rebuilding a FM-3 on his next Dynaco project.
His posting are highly detailed and invaluable to anybody whom is considering undertaking a Dynaco restoration project.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=62408.0

Brad

Brett Buck

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 393
Re: Vintage
« Reply #11 on: 16 Dec 2008, 06:04 pm »
Mark, are you familiar with the FM3 Zone?  They have lots of mods, parts and ways to keep the FM3 going.  I am also a Sony XDRF1HD user and like it very much.  I've also tried the Tivoli Audio Model One.  If you go that route, make sure you get one with stereo output jacks.  My first one didn't seem to have them, but my current one does.

    The link I had to FM-3 Zone is dead. Is there a new site?

    Brett

Flyquail56

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 27
Re: Vintage
« Reply #12 on: 16 Dec 2008, 08:33 pm »


    The link I had to FM-3 Zone is dead. Is there a new site?

    Brett

I think the web address was recently changed without any notice; here's the new:
http://home.comcast.net/~netminer/FM3ZONE.html

Mike

mark funk

Re: Vintage
« Reply #13 on: 16 Dec 2008, 10:57 pm »
Early last year I talked with Chauncey Epperson of the FM-3 Zone and talked him in to putting all of the upgrades in one of my FM-3s, but this last one was running OK until just lately I kind of forgot about it. I also have How to keep your FM-3 running by Frank but I don't think I have the skills to do this kind of work. I think I well go with a Philips FT-920 (if I can find one) and Frank's upgrade but I still would like to rework one of the FM-3s. I think all HiFi stuff is on hold right now with the way things are at work but if some one has a 920 laying around I might be able to work it in. I have been keeping up with Bill Thomas. I'd like to see a FM-3 rework by Bill.  :smoke:

geezer

  • Full Member
  • Posts: 389
Re: Vintage
« Reply #14 on: 17 Dec 2008, 12:13 am »



P.S.  The original VA Systems Model One preamp is even a poorer risk for service now.  All the active circuits were done in now unserviceable potted modules against my advice.





I'm still using my Model One in my secondary system. Works fine.

rkeir

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 26
Re: Vintage
« Reply #15 on: 17 Dec 2008, 01:31 am »
I can vouch for the AVA modified FT-920. Mine is an Omega III. I have had it for over 10 years and I can't contemplate looking for anything better. As long as it is presented with a resonably good signal, it will deliver. If you see a FT-920, grab it as long as it is working well. That may be a problem as I don't think there are that many of them around. It isn't even listed at fmtunerinfo.com.  Good luck with your search.

avahifi

  • Industry Contributor
  • Posts: 4698
    • http://www.avahifi.com
Re: Vintage
« Reply #16 on: 17 Dec 2008, 03:24 pm »
Just a thought for you, rkeir.  We can upgrade that Omega III Philips tuner of yours to Insight specifications for $199 and $30 return shipping.

Wait until after the Christmas shipping rush of course if you decide to go for it.  You can't believe how good FM music can sound when the tuner is not screwing up the signal.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

Dan Kolton

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 180
Re: Vintage
« Reply #17 on: 17 Dec 2008, 06:58 pm »
Frank,
What about my AVA moded FM5?

avahifi

  • Industry Contributor
  • Posts: 4698
    • http://www.avahifi.com
Re: Vintage
« Reply #18 on: 17 Dec 2008, 08:48 pm »
Dan, I would have to see the tuner to see what the current audio circuit looks like.  Depending upon what is there now, we might be able to upgrade it pretty easily.

If you decide to ship it, remove that big flywheel from the tuning knob shaft and keep it at home.

Of course, don't ship now until after the Christmas rush.  Right now everything goes "air mail" twenty feet at a time or so.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

Dan Kolton

  • Jr. Member
  • Posts: 180
Re: Vintage
« Reply #19 on: 18 Dec 2008, 04:49 pm »
Would a photo with the cover off be useful?  I hate to do the shipping with no idea whether you can upgrade it!