News is up

sceptic · « **on:** 1 Sep 2003, 05:59 pm »

http://www.norh.com/news.html

NealH · « **Reply #1 on:** 2 Sep 2003, 12:56 am »

Not much to say on the LeAmp 2 nor any new info other than the hype posted in the past. No updated news on the expected ship dates and maybe this is a good thing as it would most likely just be another lie.

Nohr's integrity is dropping. I will probaby not cancel my order yet but, I seriosly doubt that I will ever buy another product from them. The picture is still clear in my head, last April the LeAmp 2 was two weeks away from shipping.....

Anyone decent would at minimimum keep his customers up to date, whether things were good or bad.

starlet · « **Reply #2 on:** 2 Sep 2003, 04:04 pm »

the wood 7.0 is only 995$ shipped!!

jqp · « **Reply #3 on:** 4 Sep 2003, 08:50 pm »

Yeah and the mini 9.0 kit is olny $500!

Andrikos · « **Reply #4 on:** 4 Sep 2003, 09:43 pm »

5 mini 9.0 kits are sounding REALLY good right about now...
Are there any other driver/crossover combinations that have been successfully used in those enclosures?

brotherman-5th floor · « **Reply #5 on:** 12 Sep 2003, 01:59 am »

2 new pics of the Le Amp II on the Norh site:

http://www.norh.com/news-0903/leamp2inside2.jpg

http://www.norh.com/news-0903/leamp2inside.jpg

One question - can someone point out that 800 V/A PS in the pictures?

Also, the norh sites now says: 800 V/A Switching adjusted to 500 V/A supporting 800 V/A peaks. Does this mean norh is changing the original power supplies too?

markC · « **Reply #6 on:** 12 Sep 2003, 02:18 am »

Forgive me; but I do not keep up to date with the Norh line, but are you saying that You've had the Le Amp 2's ordered since April and you still don't have them???? I run an OEM CD1, ( QDS15), cdp and have enjoyed it for the past 18 months. But, let's face it- Norh had nothing to do with creating that piece of equipment. I wonder about the amps. Kurt's previous creativity comes to mind...

hk29 · « **Reply #7 on:** 12 Sep 2003, 04:20 am »

It looks like the heat sinks are two pieces per side. And they don't look like there aligned very well. These maybe prototypes.

But nevertheless they look nice.

rosconey · « **Reply #8 on:** 12 Sep 2003, 09:55 am »

so have any of the first 10 amp owners said anything

what about mb any word on when more amps ship

glad i didnt order a set and have to wait 6-8 months

i hope those who have the patience to wait get a good product

heck i dont think i've seen a post from mb in a while, you guys must feel out of the loop

KKM · « **Reply #9 on:** 12 Sep 2003, 03:07 pm »

I asked MB when mines will ship, and this is his response:

"I don't handle shipments directly. Oder processing has been slow. The problem is our vendor has run out of money twice
and we keep having to pay more and more for the amplifiers. We have shipped some and we have photos of the insides on the website.
We hope that production does pick up. It has been very frustrating for us because we have paid nearly twice for each unit."

Looks like he's having problems with his supplier beyond his control, its not like he has an alternate at this point. Losing money on each unit he sells will get you in trouble fairly quickly, hope it works out, in the meantime, those who ordered just have to be patient.

Andrikos · « **Reply #10 on:** 12 Sep 2003, 03:56 pm »

I hope everything goes ell. I'd like to receive my 3 amps by December hopefully and nOrh making money on it too. I don't want them to go belly up trying to please their customers by offering high quality and super low prices.

Pachom · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 Sep 2003, 12:09 pm »

The switched power supply is on the ledt hand side of the amps on this picture http://www.norh.com/news-0903/leamp2inside2.jpg
and it is the bended board on this picture
http://www.norh.com/news-0903/leamp2inside.jpg

The construction requires certain wiring. The heatsinks are standard material. The switched power supply reduces weight, and may reduce shipping costs. It may not create confidence, if his vendor ran out of money twice. Costs out of control. So it looks like as if Norh is loosing money on each amp. Maybe he should skip this project and focus on a new - with more reliable vendors. As sooner as better (?).

brotherman-5th floor · « **Reply #12 on:** 13 Sep 2003, 08:27 pm »

Quote from: Pachom

The switched power supply is on the ledt hand side of the amps on this picture http://www.norh.com/news-0903/leamp2inside2.jpg
and it is the bended board on this picture
http://www.norh.com/news-0903/leamp2inside.jpg

The construction requires certain wiring. The heatsinks are standard material. The switched power supply reduces weight, and may reduce shipping costs. It may not create confidence, if his vendor ran out of money twice. Costs out of control. So it looks like as if Norh is loosing mone ...

Thanks for pointing the PS out. It sounds like norh is "watering down" the specs of the amp due to the cost. From their web site: 800 V/A Switching adjusted to 500 V/A supporting 800 V/A peaks. The LeAmp II is starting to look less and less appealing. Perhaps its time to give Klaus a call!

jackman · « **Reply #13 on:** 13 Sep 2003, 09:07 pm »

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From their web site: 800 V/A Switching adjusted to 500 V/A supporting 800 V/A peaks. The LeAmp II is starting to look less and less appealing. Perhaps its time to give Klaus a call!

Before you make that call, keep in mind the Stratos has a 400 V/A transformer for a two channel STEREO amp. Even if the LeII drops down to a 500 V/A, that's for a MONO amp. If my math is correct, a pair of these still has more than double the V/A as a stereo Stratos. Not saying it's better or worse because I have never heard the new LEII, but the'd have to cut WAY back before they got down to the power supply found in the Odyssey Stratos and a pair of the new LE2's (introductory price of $195 per channel) sells for less than half the price of a stereo Stratos (over $500 per channel). I also believe the LE2 puts out 400 WPC into a 4 ohm load, versus about 160 WPC for the Stratos (this is going off memory because the Odyssey site doesn't list any 4 ohm output for their products). These numbers are only to put it into perspective. If they don't perform well, all bets are off! I used Odyssey because it's regarded as a bargain (and rightfully so) by many and is an internet only company like nOrh.

These LE2's are a make or break item for nOrh. Many of the diehard nOrh supporters are feeling a bit left out in the cold and concerned with the delays. If these things don't blow people away, there could be dark clouds on the nOrh horizon. If they perform well, and nOrh is able to supply them, they are a real bargain. I'm not in the amp market, but I don't know of any other amps in this price range that look this good on paper...unfortunately, lots of things look good on paper and don't make it in the real world. Only time will tell...

Jman

brotherman-5th floor · « **Reply #14 on:** 14 Sep 2003, 01:23 am »

The issue is not as much the actual wattage (excuse me Wattage-or did the story about the delay change again? ) but the fact that MB makes the rules as he goes. At this point, LA II does not exist and MB has lied. I thought he already had a batch out. Does that batch have the 800 VA PS or the 500 VA PS ( a rhtetorical question since we all know there was no first batch ).

jones rush · « **Reply #15 on:** 14 Sep 2003, 03:53 am »

Quote from: brotherman-5th floor

The issue is not as much the actual wattage (excuse me Wattage-or did the story about the delay change again? ) but the fact that MB makes the rules as he goes. At this point, LA II does not exist and MB has lied. I thought he already had a batch out. Does that batch have the 800 VA PS or the 500 VA PS ( a rhtetorical question since we all know there was no first batch ).

LEII will arrive, relax.

ABEX · « **Reply #16 on:** 14 Sep 2003, 01:48 pm »

Seems to be a frustrating ordeal ,but as long as I have an amp I can live with I won't bail unless of course I find something as suitable or better for both my system and my pocket.

If I was just waiting for the amps with a collection I wanted to hear it would be a whole different predicament and I would have looked elsewhere at the first sign of a delay.

JMO

wunderlast · « **Reply #17 on:** 15 Sep 2003, 02:41 am »

If you want actual information dealing with NOrh products, pay no attention to Pachom. He is really Werner, a disgruntled competitor who cannot get his single product off the ground. So he spends his time slamming Norh and IRD.

Go drink some more booze, Werner.

jqp · « **Reply #18 on:** 15 Sep 2003, 05:53 pm »

Quote from: jackman

These LE2's are a make or break item for nOrh. Many of the diehard nOrh supporters are feeling a bit left out in the cold and concerned with the delays. If these things don't blow people away, there could be dark clouds on the nOrh horizon. If they perform well, and nOrh is able to supply them, they are a real bargain. I'm not in the amp market, but I don't know of any other amps in this price range that look this good on paper...unfortunately, lots of things look good on paper and don't make it in the real world. Only time will tell...

Not so fast with all the pronouncements...

1. I am sure nOrh is doing just fine. They have many other products that continue to sell in the meantime, and nOrh has had substantial success with previous products.

2. As the most diehard of nOrh fans, I am not "feeling a bit left out in the cold and concerned with the delays". I have had deleays before - waitiing months for the 9.0s and the Multiamps and ACA preamp. And months for the Le Amps also.

Thailand is a far cry from the US as manufacturing and business environments go. Manufacturers and suppliers do not keep time or finances the way we do in the the west. mbarnes has gotten burned on this product run and so we have suffered. His intentions should matter to you if you are a nOrh fan at all. He always has delivered, even if he lost money on the deal. Time is about the only factor that is uncertain with nOrh in my opinion. And remember that we are not talking about the "best" products from nOrh - the nOrh philosophy is to produce high end audio that is "good enough" for a very good price. When you set the expectation that a nOrh product will blow away THE BEST audio products that money can by, you will be dissapointed. When you set the expectation that a nOrh product is VERY GOOD in the audio market and AMAZING for the price, you will not be disappointed.

ABEX · « **Reply #19 on:** 15 Sep 2003, 06:44 pm »

I think audio is all about connections and I think nOrh or MB has so many request that this might be on the back burne r for the moment.

I am just about to go public and do not even have a site up yet and have request for cables that I am trying to deal with.

If I understand right MB has good connections and orders .He does have a full plate.

JMO