Any Jade or Gabriel or Poiema IC users?

Big Red Machine · « **on:** 17 Jul 2007, 11:00 am »

I'm pretty sold on Reality IC's right now and have some Reality speaker cables coming. Have been looking at the Jade advertisements on Agon and the discussion here about Gabriel IC's. Ridge Street is alos having a sale n Poiema cables now.

I have negative experience with silver wire cables in my system in both IC and speaker wire so I am leary of anything with silver wire or plating that may be too bright and edgy. So I have safely stayed away with copper cables.

Anyone have experience with either of these?

KCI-JohnP · « **Reply #1 on:** 17 Jul 2007, 02:23 pm »

Hi BRM,
If you like smooth and/or not "bright and edgy" gold is your friend. I have heard both Jade and GG cables, the GG's are really nice sounding cables with a sound I would think you would most likely enjoy judging by your post/s. Nice and open, smooth and not bright or lean at all. If you would like an "outsiders" opinion you should pm Arthurs as he also has experience with both cables you mention. Hope this helps ya!

Regards,
John

NotoriousBIG_PJ · « **Reply #2 on:** 17 Jul 2007, 06:14 pm »

I find gold wire to impart a coloured sound over the whole spectrum that I don't hear with silver. Of course most silver cables I've listened to become grateing on the ears for long term listening. The only silver cables I would recommend are the vh audio spectrum ag cables. I believe they arn't bright because of the use of dead soft annealed silver. Some of the cables I've tried are 2 types of gold-silver-copper, 2 types of pure gold, berylium copper, copper (vd audition, vd master, cardas nr), silver plated copper (nordust), silver (grover, wolff) and more. The vh cable is the most tonally correct and open of all the cables I tried. The sound isn't as thick sounding as a vd master or beryillium copper interconnect.

Biggie.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #3 on:** 18 Jul 2007, 07:49 pm »

Appreciate the replies. The Gabriels are a little too steep for me to try right now. I ordered a pair of Poiema's to try them out. He has a set of 0.5 m in stock and I'll know very quickly if they are helping or hurting. If hurting, I may try the VH or get another set of Reality's in the string.

I also ordered a set of Anti IC's to try. I really like the spkr cables and had been using them for months but now I have some Reality's coming and have temporarily switched to my PS Audio's.

bluewax · « **Reply #4 on:** 18 Jul 2007, 10:01 pm »

I too have tried several different respected silver designs and found each fatiguing, although I have yet to audition any Ridge Street offerings, and recognize their many accolades.

I had the Jade Audio in my system for a while and very much enjoyed them, my experience generally commensurate with the comments above regarding the implementation and expectations of gold.

I recently moved on to Nanotec cabling, though, and am very happy with the decision. I feel - right or wrong - that any glare that was present in my system when employing other cabling is now gone.

Cheers, bw

samplesj · « **Reply #5 on:** 18 Jul 2007, 10:45 pm »

I'm not a big silver fan either. I even tried gold alloys a couple of years back, but it just wasn't my cup of tea either (still a bit more bright than copper). One of them in particular had a hole in the middle of the response. Of course neither were Jade or Gabriel so maybe those gold alloys are different.

My new favorite is palladium, but I think the original poster has already tried those and sold them so they must not fit his tastes.

KCI-JohnP · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 Jul 2007, 03:12 pm »

BRM,
RS makes fantastic cables, haven't ever heard a single bad thing about them. Hopefully they end your search.

I just took a look at your HT and 2-channel room, wow! You did a fantastic job on both rooms, wish I was that skilled. Anyway, what speakers are those in your 2 channel room? Finish? Looks really nice. Thanks.

John

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #7 on:** 23 Jul 2007, 11:01 am »

Salk HT3 in waterfall bubinga.

tdangelo · « **Reply #8 on:** 23 Jul 2007, 04:05 pm »

the best silver cables I've tried are the Purenote Paragon enhanced. They are constructed of silver ribbon. I've tried many, many cables and these are the best of both worlds in my system - detailed without being bright - smooth but revealing - tight but not dry - never fatiguing and when on sale a very good price. I highly recommend them

Tony D.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #9 on:** 23 Jul 2007, 07:18 pm »

Is that the standard Paragon or the Titanium version? Huge delta in price. I'm hoping it's the first one! 50% off sale going on right now.

tdangelo · « **Reply #10 on:** 23 Jul 2007, 09:03 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Machine on 23 Jul 2007, 07:18 pm

Is that the standard Paragon or the Titanium version? Huge delta in price. I'm hoping it's the first one! 50% off sale going on right now.

Standard Paragon Enhanced - your right the price difference is HUGE. EKovalsky turned me on to Purenote a few years ago.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #11 on:** 24 Jul 2007, 12:07 am »

Okay ordered a pair to try out. Thanks for the tip.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #12 on:** 24 Jul 2007, 12:15 am »

Wanted to make separate reply since I received the Poiema ICs today and immediately put them into play. And WOW, they are excellent. Restored my faith in silver. Bass was tighter, instruments could be separated by 2 to 3 feet versus melded together, I heard some details I never heard before, and voices just plain presented themselves like the singer was really there. I actually enjoyed the music for the first time versus analyzing my system.

Can't wait to compare the Purenote Paragons to these.

tdangelo · « **Reply #13 on:** 24 Jul 2007, 03:50 am »

Quote from: Big Red Machine on 24 Jul 2007, 12:07 am

Okay ordered a pair to try out. Thanks for the tip.

cool - hope they work out in your system. Purenote doesn't usually charge till your 20-30 day tryout period is over and the cables haven't been returned. Very nice company to do business with. Make sure you give them the proper breakin time - 80-100 hrs. They really do improve substantially during that time.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #14 on:** 24 Jul 2007, 11:08 am »

Sounds like a considerate company.

On aother note, I don't believe in break in. If they sound good in the first 5 minutes I'm good to go, otherwise they get pulled and returned.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #15 on:** 29 Jul 2007, 05:59 pm »

I am getting closer to pure music here. The Poiema's are definitely keepers. The Pure Notes are very, very good also. To me they are just a tad bit down the scale because they have a little less snap and a skosh less detail. So I prefer the Poiema. I can see how the Pure Note may even be a better, more true, cable after switching them back and forth. They are no slouch whatsover and may, in fact, be a better choice for someone's system synergy. I did all this evaluation with the Reality IC in the pre-amp path throughout.

Heaven, though, is just at the doorstep when the Pure Note replaces the Reality in the pre-amp path. At first I didn't notice any difference in this path between the Reality and Pure Note, but there is some more detail and depth with 2 silver cables in the system. Kinda splitting hairs here, but for the money, the Realities are a great choice any day of the week.

I have a line on a used set of Silversmith IC's that I may purchase and try. Hopefully I can do this before the 20 day trial for the Pure Notes ends.

I am also using Reality SC's and love them. I hooked them directly to my mid/twt versus direct to the woofer toda and the sound jumped up a notch as result. Looks like I need better jumper cables. I did this switcheroo before I tried out the IC's today.

I actually found myself hearing music versus listening to the system today. Tapping the heck out of my foot.

tdangelo · « **Reply #16 on:** 29 Jul 2007, 07:25 pm »

Hey Big, glad the Purenotes work OK in your system and I know you said you can tell within minutes if you like a cable but

give the Pure a chance. I'm like you. I usually have a feeling if I like a cable within a few minutes but the Pure REALLY get much better with more hrs. on them. I just leave my system cranked with the amps off and the SB playing. After about 50-60 hrs the Pure really open up - highs are more airy and defined - midrange is not as pronounced - they kinda balance them selfs out

JM2C

Tony

guest1632 · « **Reply #17 on:** 30 Sep 2007, 07:30 am »

Quote from: Big Red Machine on 18 Jul 2007, 07:49 pm

Appreciate the replies. The Gabriels are a little too steep for me to try right now. I ordered a pair of Poiema's to try them out. He has a set of 0.5 m in stock and I'll know very quickly if they are helping or hurting. If hurting, I may try the VH or get another set of Reality's in the string.

I also ordered a set of Anti IC's to try. I really like the spkr cables and had been using them for months but now I have some Reality's coming and have temporarily switched to my PS Audio's.

Hi, May I also suggest from Koolcables.com, the fireflies. They are silver, but from what I've been told they don't have that screech like a lot of silver cables have. They/re something like $300 or so. They take a couple hundred hours to break in. Another cable to check out is the Grover Graphites. Those too, will take some time to break in. The mids and highs will seem a bit forward at first, but that will go away. They are about $150 or so.

Ray

mca · « **Reply #18 on:** 30 Sep 2007, 03:09 pm »

BRM,

How about an update? Are you still using the Poiema IC's and the Reality SC's?

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #19 on:** 2 Oct 2007, 01:47 pm »

Now using all Poiema cables for IC and SC duty. Have Virtual Dynamics power cords now as well.

The Poiemas give me clarity, snap, deep bass, and zero listening fatigue. I am sure there are other silver cables to be had, but right now I am loving these.

Also added a z-der unit from RSA on the CDP and it seemed to make everything jump into alignment even more. Now working on room treatments all over again.

Any Jade or Gabriel or Poiema IC users?

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