[dman777]

I have been out of the loop for digital recievers for awhile. I used to have a JVC RX-F10. Now I am looking for a new reciever and I was wondering if/what model replaced the JVC RX-F10?

Thanks,
-dman

[ThomDP]

Dman,

JVC now has a full line of digital hybrid receivers.

http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?productId=PRD1000000&pathId=5

I still have my rx-es1sl the predecessor to the RX-F10 that you had.

[dman777]

How have they improved on the sound? I liked mine alot, but the highs were to harsh. Also, when I turned my RX-FX10 up past half way it lost it's  power/fullness in the sound and became more treble like. Has both of these changed since on the new models like the RX-D205S?

[ThomDP]

The Hybrid amp is in it's third or fourth generation. Beyond that, I have not heard any of the new models.

Dennis

[TheChairGuy]

I had the ES1sl, then the F10.  The ES1sl ran very, very hot to the touch, couldn't run 4 ohm loads (it shut down driving Maggie MMG's) and was a bit cheesy in the build department.  But, wow, it sounded very, very good if you had it tied to some kind of good power conditioner and broke it in for 300 hours.

The F10 drove the Maggies, but, subjectively, sounded like more like solid state, and less of the tube-like specialness of the ES1sl. It, too, was built poorly...just not as poor.

I stopped after the F10.

Good reading from almost 3 years ago: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=14535.0

[KT]

Chairguy,

I have two ES1sl's and neither of them ran hot. Just lukewarm. Was it because you were driving the Maggies with them? Were they hot with the Vandies? Perhaps the fan was faulty?

I have to agree the build on the ES1sl is quite cheapish. Great sound for the money, though. It sounded good enough to displace my pricier gear for a while, but when I switched back I clearly prefered the tweaked out reference rig (ES1sl sounded musical and tubey, but always had the slightest bit of a homogenous quality). But I wasn't using any power conditioning on the ES1sl, so who knows? Again, great value and good enough to keep most non-gearhead folks satisfied, I think.

I find it ineresting that everyone was so into these good sounding units, then after the next generation after the F10 came around, everyone seemed to have moved onto something totally different. I was hard pressed to find any sort of review of the latter generations, just a few posts reporting that they were somewhat ureliable. Was the sound quality not sufficiently improved/different to warrant the interest? Perhaps they didn't represent as good of a value so people weren't interested? I've always been curious.

Best,
KT

[TheChairGuy]

Hey KT,

The ES1L's ran warm.....whether driving the Maggies or easier cone speakers I had then.  It sounded fantastic for the money.....it was absolutely tuned to sound like tubes, and it mostly worked (AC member DMason turned me on to it's virtues).  For $250.00 or so, they are/were hard to beat (I thought).

Run into a balanced power conditioner at the time, it sounded really, really good to me. It sounded even better when I ran my Dynaco PAS-4 tube preamp in front and used only the amp portion of the receiver.  Boy, it sounded good to me for small money.

Beyond being able to drive more difficult loads, I didn't think the F10 measured up.  I think any $250 receiver (Denon, HK, Yamaha, etc) would've sounded as good...and driven the Maggies well enough.  The Class D hybrid was good controlling the long, floppy Maggie woofer ribbons - but didn't do that much else right. It sounded hollow and soulless....I was glad when the fan began running so loud it was intolerable.

I tossed it into the trash with nary a second of grief one evening

John

[srb]

Is there a JVC RX-F10 Predecessor?

I think you meant to say "Is there a JVC RX-F10 Successor?"  A predecessor would be one that existed before.