YouTube, iTunes and movies on my cell phone?

PhilNYC · « **Reply #20 on:** 27 Jun 2007, 05:15 pm »

Quote from: boead on 26 Jun 2007, 08:14 pm

Ooooooo – Just what I want. Web surfing and YouTube on a 4” screen with a really slow connection.

You know AT&T’s unlimited wireless is really slow! Its not broadband wireless or even as fast as a slow DSL, it’s closest to a plain old 56k dialup.

FWIW, the iPhone is also wi-fi enabled, so you can use it in a hotspot to surf the web. And eventually, AT&T's data plan will get faster...

NY Times ran a "review" of it in the Business section and said that the browser on it is actually quite good (the review overall was positive...it was titled "The iPhone Matches Most of Its Hype"...)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

boead · « **Reply #21 on:** 27 Jun 2007, 06:59 pm »

Quote from: PhilNYC on 27 Jun 2007, 05:15 pm

FWIW, the iPhone is also wi-fi enabled, so you can use it in a hotspot to surf the web. And eventually, AT&T's data plan will get faster...

NY Times ran a "review" of it in the Business section and said that the browser on it is actually quite good (the review overall was positive...it was titled "The iPhone Matches Most of Its Hype"...)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

I don’t think so. I believe the WiFi is for syncing only. I don't think its a WiFi NIC device. And why do you think AT&T is going to get faster? Its not on 2G that’s for sure. Everyone else is going 3G which is broadband and the iPhone will NOT support 3G or any other really HiSpeed data connection. But maybe it doesn’t need it – who knows.

You do realize that the media (I’m a publisher, BTW) are inundated with writers that are Mac heads – yes, 80% of the 3% are media writers. I work with then all day, they are also some of the most techno-challenged people we deal with. It’s a standing joke, really.

We have had this conversation many times and there is not a single thing about the iPhone for the real Business user so it’s NOT a smart phone, its in its own newly made category of techno-toy.

I WANTED this iPhone to be great, I would buy it in a flash. But its nothing I wanted and noting I need. I wanted a simple phone that was also a Nano for $199, like the Chocolate phone but with better fidelity and the iPod OS.

Scott F. · « **Reply #22 on:** 27 Jun 2007, 09:05 pm »

boead,

I have to agree with you. The new iPhone doesn't hold any new anythings other than maybe the interface. I've had cell phones since the days back in the mid-80's. In one sense they are a Godsend on the other hand I curse their existence as they can be so entirely disruptive. Immediate availability all the time (unless you turn the damned thing off).

I currently use the PPC-6700 through Sprint. Yes I have complete connectivity a la the EVO network (quite fast I might mention). And yes I can do the YouTube thing, email via Outlook (though I have mine turned off because its farging disruptive), Word, Excel, MS Access, Power Point plus a half dozen other MS Mobile programs. I can do the GPS thing too along with taking pictures.

I do find myself using the web a fair amount. I use it to do some quick reference searches, minor surfing when I have some down time and no computer, checking email (web based) and so on. The price of the memory upgrades on the iPhone is simply silly. My 6700 uses the mini-SD card that can be had for under $50 for a 4gig card. Though the 6700 has Windows Media Player and a headphone jack, I don't use it for music but some do.

I do use my camera a lot more than you might expect. It really comes in handy when I don't feel like dragging along a real camera. The phone catches the essence of what I want to capture. Most of my pictures are used for work (construction documentation) but I have used it at several of the GAS gatherings when I forgot to bring my regular camera. The pic's usually aren't horrible, here's an example or two.....

I'm not sure I could do without my 6700 after having one for several years now. The slide up screen revealing the keyboard is greatly superior to the Blackberry IMO. Speaking of Crackberry's, one of the guys I work with is completely addicted to his. Emails are one thing but when you spend the entire day on the damned thing typing email responses rather than picking up the phone and having a three minute conversation, I personally think you've lost all perspective. That's precisely why I've turned off my email. If something is an emergency or you need to discuss something, call me, if it's just a reminder or of low importance, email me and I'll see it in an hour or two when I log on.

This message is a perfect example. I just spent the best part of twenty or so minutes typing (and correcting for my fat fingers) what I could have audibly said in about three minutes. Sometimes technology isn't worth the effort IMO.

....oh, and you are completely correct, video's on a 3" screen.......thanks, no. It's all just gimmickry to sell us more crap that we really don't need.

Sincerely,
Crusty the Curmudgeon

Danny Kaey · « **Reply #23 on:** 30 Jun 2007, 04:08 am »

all I can say is this thing is the most amazing piece of integrated hardware/software engineering I have seen to date.

wow!

The iPhone is totally redifining what people think of regarding mobile devices...

boead · « **Reply #24 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 02:01 am »

Quote from: Danny Kaey on 30 Jun 2007, 04:08 am

all I can say is this thing is the most amazing piece of integrated hardware/software engineering I have seen to date.

wow!

The iPhone is totally redifining what people think of regarding mobile devices...

Describe amazing piece of integrated hardware/software?

I mean that’s a very strong statement.

What does it do that’s so amazing?

The iPhone is totally redefining what people think of regarding mobile devices?

WOW, now that’s even a stronger statement. Do you know what people are thinking? I mean in regards to mobile devices. Haven’t cell phones been evolving to the needs of the consumer all along? Don’t you think Motorola and Nokia have played a strong(er) roll in the development of the cell phone. I love my Motorola phone, its works great, its easy to use and it was cheap. Each one I’ve gotten has been an improvement over the last and I get a new one each year. Smart Phones dominate the business community and have significantly aided productivity. The Blackberry and Treo are cornerstones and I don’t’ hear people complaining, quite the contrary, they love them and appreciate the devices ability.
So how is the iPhone TOTALLY redefining what people think of regarding mobile devices? I have no idea, please clue me in.

And the most important questions? Do you own a Mac and/or do you consider yourself a Mac-head. I need to know that first, its important.

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #25 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 02:30 am »

Doesn't do much new, but the interface is slick enough that it will appeal to regular people, not just the business folks. It's a cool gadget. Once the price hits around $400, it'll be a great alternative to the blackberry and treo.

jon_010101 · « **Reply #26 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 03:32 am »

Quote from: boead on 2 Jul 2007, 02:01 am

So how is the iPhone TOTALLY redefining what people think of regarding mobile devices? I have no idea, please clue me in.

...

And the most important questions? Do you own a Mac and/or do you consider yourself a Mac-head. I need to know that first, its important.

boead, I just don't get your aggressive tone here. You seem to imply that anyone using a Mac is a brainwashed zombie, whose opinions don't matter to you. I administered PC networks from 1996-2001, and converted dozens of Mac users to Windows (Macs were really bad in those days!). I also ran Linux extensively from 1995-2001. In 2001 I switched to Mac, against my own wishes. It completely changed my perspective on computing -- for the first time, I could entirely ignore the hardware and software and focus on my work. I ultimately gave up both Linux and Windows entirely for Macs, since the quality of software and hardware was so much higher, and I could easily do both desktop apps and scientific work within one platform. Over the past 5 years, I've converted dozens of dedicated PC users to Mac, and all have thanked me.

Anyways, regarding the iPhone. Try using one. It is a completely different level of interface from anything else presently available. Clean, natural, functional, elegant. The phone itself is something you interact with. It makes all phones I've used feel primitive and unrefined. The actual capabilities are the same, but the design allows you to ENJOY the experience. I've used Blackberries and Windows based phones and none have impressed me -- clunky, slow, awkward. By comparison, the iPhone looks and feels like a device from the future. I suggest you try with an open mind, rather than depriving yourself of new technology on the basis of personal bias.

If elegant design brings you no pleasure, you are welcome to despise the iPhone. But comparing an MS phone to an iPhone is like comparing a Denon receiver to a NAIM hi-fi. Or a Pontiac to a BMW. "Features" are one thing, but if they aren't satisfying to use, what's the point?

Danny Kaey · « **Reply #27 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 05:05 am »

Quote from: ooheadsoo on 2 Jul 2007, 02:30 am

Doesn't do much new, but the interface is slick enough that it will appeal to regular people, not just the business folks. It's a cool gadget. Once the price hits around $400, it'll be a great alternative to the blackberry and treo.

I don't think the price will ever see any sort of drastic drops like your typical cell phone / smart device... Apple would never enter such price wars... look at the iPod...

I was just talking to a buddy about this, since he was thinking of waiting until the iPhone hits $99... it will never happen.

Now, I am sure that Apple will release some sort of iPhone nano / mini or similar in the future... patents for this are already floating around...

Rumor has it that we will see major updates in functionality between now and October...

the fact that iPhone runs OSX is a brilliant stroke of genius on Apple's part...

I love it!

TONEPUB · « **Reply #28 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 05:10 am »

I have to agree with Danny. I was playing with a freinds today and it is pretty amazing.
I have a Motorola Q and its not even close. The only thing the Moto does is text message
a bit faster, but I don't text message.

I'm not a "Mac head" either. I use both computing platforms, but when it comes down
to OS feel and intuitiveness, the Mac is way ahead. If you are a grumpy windows person
I can't help you.

Apple gets it when it comes to making computing hardware easy to use. This phone
is killer! I know I need to get one in a few months myself!

That big screen and OSX functionality is out of this world! Now if it would only do
iChat AV, so I could vid phone back to the office!!

Personally, I'd be happy if I could get an iPhone without an iPod for like 299. That
would be the ticket for me. I have Vinnies awesome iMod for my car and that
pretty much stays stationary these days....

Danny Kaey · « **Reply #29 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 06:06 am »

Well said Jeff

that's exactly my point: you either get it or you don't.

watching the videos and such for months prior to launch left some questions for sure... alas, having used the darn thing now for 2 days it's absolutley astounding.

If you aren't willing to see that in difference of superiority to a Windows Mobile 5/6 or Blackberry I can't help you = some people see technological advances for what they are, others take their time with it, whilst others still never get it. My mother still can't set the time on her VCR.

The iPhone is so vastly superior in every way to anything currently available that it's high time someone starts asking serious questions at Microsoft/Nokia/RIM/Sony-Ericsson, etc... what those companies do with billions in R&D is beyond me.

jon_010101 · « **Reply #30 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 06:19 am »

Quote from: Danny Kaey on 2 Jul 2007, 06:06 am

alas, having used the darn thing now for 2 days it's absolutley astounding.

I'm very jealous. They sold out in my area almost immediately, but I was on an airplane unable to even try to pick one up. I'm hoping that mine arrives by the end of the week.

Watson · « **Reply #31 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 07:17 am »

Quote from: Danny Kaey on 2 Jul 2007, 06:06 am

The iPhone is so vastly superior in every way to anything currently available that it's high time someone starts asking serious questions at Microsoft/Nokia/RIM/Sony-Ericsson, etc... what those companies do with billions in R&D is beyond me.

This is the honest truth. Feature-for-feature, the iPhone doesn't beat Windows Mobile 6 devices, but as a package, it is a revelation. (There is no comparison at all to WM5.) You only have to play with one for a few minutes to realize this is what devices in ten years will all be like. The experience is like the first time you used a graphical user interface after living with DOS for years. And what's there is polished... the little details like physical/tangible reactions to let you know you can't do something instead of beeping or error messages are inspired. Sure, some basics are missing, e.g. cut and paste, but that will come. What Apple has achieved here in a short development time is far greater than what Windows CE/Mobile has managed to produce in nine years.

boead · « **Reply #32 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 12:18 pm »

Quote from: jon_010101 on 2 Jul 2007, 03:32 am

Quote from: boead on 2 Jul 2007, 02:01 am
So how is the iPhone TOTALLY redefining what people think of regarding mobile devices? I have no idea, please clue me in.

...

And the most important questions? Do you own a Mac and/or do you consider yourself a Mac-head. I need to know that first, its important.

boead, I just don't get your aggressive tone here.

Aggressive tone? Really? Its amazing how people interpret the written word.

It’s a fact that the top percentage of the dedicated mac-fans always buy Apples latest offerings and ogle at it like its was the holy grail for weeks on end. That was to be expected. Also, it’s a fact that these very same people make up the majority of the publishing media. I’m not interested in their bias opinion since it will be overwhelmingly positive regardless of how good or bad it is.

I have played with it, it’s nice but falls short as a Smart Phone. Its simply not acceptable. And for the 60+ million Verizon users, also not an option. For many reasons I can’t and won’t switch from Verizon. So even if Apple comes out with a smaller, more phone like cell phone it won’t be an option for me nor most I know. Apple has alienated over 60 million people.

Has anyone seen the LG KE850?? LG already invented the iPhone and released it months before Apple and is already available in France, Germany, Italy, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore, United Kingdom, Kuwait and South Korea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLOGUQouUI&mode=related&search=

Why has this significant fact been overlooked? Why is Apple once again claiming to have invented the ?-mark when its clear they haven’t?

Enjoy your phones guys. Just remember to call someone.

PhilNYC · « **Reply #33 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 12:39 pm »

Quote from: boead on 2 Jul 2007, 12:18 pm

Has anyone seen the LG KE850?? LG already invented the iPhone and released it months before Apple and is already available in France, Germany, Italy, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore, United Kingdom, Kuwait and South Korea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aLOGUQouUI&mode=related&search=

Why has this significant fact been overlooked? Why is Apple once again claiming to have invented the ?-mark when its clear they haven’t?

I don't think that a touch-screen alone defines "inventing the iPhone". The interface on that LG looks pretty typical, complete with folders, cascading menus that overlap on each other, etc.

boead · « **Reply #34 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 01:03 pm »

Look again and read about it. Its anything but typical. It uses a Linux OS that is VERY similar to the OSX version that’s on the iPhone. The maker of the screen and internal components IS THE VERY SAME maker that is manufacturing the iPhone for Apple.

The LG is also open arc so it’ll allow for third party apps. And although this model is build for Edge networks (because it was also built for Apple) LG is rumored to be releasing one for 3G in the USA/N.America.

Wow, I’m accused of being a Windows guy but I’ve not once mentioned Windows. I could care less who makes what. I see things how that are. Unfortunately the same does not hold true for the mac enthusiast. They are a mutated breed of human all of their own that will do and say and think whatever Apple makes is best.

PhilNYC · « **Reply #35 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 01:58 pm »

Quote from: boead on 2 Jul 2007, 01:03 pm

Look again and read about it. Its anything but typical. It uses a Linux OS that is VERY similar to the OSX version that’s on the iPhone. The maker of the screen and internal components IS THE VERY SAME maker that is manufacturing the iPhone for Apple.

The differentiator for the iPhone is its user interface, not the OS and hardware. I've seen and read about the LG Prada phone, and while it has some very nice features, its UI is still clunky to use IMHO. I've not yet used the iPhone, so I can't compare first hand how it works...but from what I've read written here by actual users, plus some faith that Steve Jobs wouldn't release a clunker, I'm guessing that the iPhone is setting the bar higher than its been...

PhilNYC · « **Reply #36 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 02:04 pm »

Quote from: boead on 2 Jul 2007, 01:03 pm

Unfortunately the same does not hold true for the mac enthusiast. They are a mutated breed of human all of their own that will do and say and think whatever Apple makes is best.

Btw - I don't consider myself to be a "Mac enthusiast"...I own two Macs and 3 Windows XP machines at home, and each has their uses for me. I don't own an iPod. My cellphone is a Palm Treo 680, which I don't anticipate changing anytime soon. But that doesn't mean I can't appreciate sophisticated user interface design, which I believe the iPod does better than other mp3 players I've tried, and I also believe the iPhone is probably achieving...I'm looking forward to trying one...

Pheno · « **Reply #37 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 02:34 pm »

Although I have to say that I 'm a bit of a ma-addict, my new iPhone is the most elegant interface that I have seen and works seemlessly when synched with a mac. I thought that using the keyboard would be cumbersome at best, but it works great. Furthermore, the safari internet browser is just cool.

Matter of fact, the whole iPhone is just cool!!!

Now, I know why I own Macs.

Todd

JoshK · « **Reply #38 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 02:44 pm »

Quote from: OTL on 21 Jun 2007, 04:03 am

I suggest that you define to yourself what you need, vs. having the media define it for you.

Phone = phone calls. Simple, no?
Email = others expecting instant response to inane crap.
Music = absolutely essential, but do you need your phone to manage your music?
Video = on a 2 inch screen. WTF!
Camera = how often can I remove myself from the moment to capture it and "share" it with others that don't really give a rat's ass.

C'mon Dude....get a $20 cell phone and enjoy your life.

You nailed it from my perspective. The only thing I need from a cell phone is a phone with good reception, good coverage and a decent organizer (for numbers). All the other stuff is not for me really.

I just got a Nokia phone that is basically a phone and mp3 player together. It was $50 and came with a 1gb memory card (in addition to the 64mb the phone uses itself). It works for what it is meant to do but it isn't really user friendly IMHO.

I think that is what the iPhone has going for it, just a user friendly interface, that is it. All the features look to fall short of the mark. But they are all features I could give a rats ass about anyway...and I'll be damned if I am going to spend $100/mo for them.

My work will buy me a blackberry (and pay the service) if I want one, but so far I've avoided it. It would be nice to be able to d/l a bunch of my research onto it for reading to and from work, but so far printing it out and carrying it with me works just fine. There is nothing via email that is *that* urgent that can't wait till the next day or if it was that important, someone would call me about it and I'd remotely sign into work.

I would buy a iPod/phone convergence product if it had really good SQ, decent memory for reasonable money, actually useable UI and was small and inexpensive (enough compared to seperate pieces). Any else is frivilous and more of a leash than a helping hand.

TONEPUB · « **Reply #39 on:** 2 Jul 2007, 02:45 pm »

Aggressive tone? Really? Its amazing how people interpret the written word.

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So calling people that bought iPhones mutants and whatever isn't aggressive?

Why do you have such a problem with this? I just don't see Apple as being
part of a big mind control plot, or whatever you think it is.

If you don't want one, vote with your dollar. Don't buy one. Kind of hard
to believe Apple is still here after all these years because they make junk.

Steve Jobs is laughing all the way to the bank over people like you...
All your getting in a frenzy does is make people go investigate the iPhone.

It's actually quite funny!