[rabpaul]

I suspect something has been lost in translation. I am also wondering why its listed under CD Accessories.
My physics and chemistry is really rusty but I do believe you can't rearrange molecules in air (its made up of a number of gases, that's different molecules to you and me) and can only do so in a pure gas by bringing its temperature down and/or applying pressure (compression) such that it becomes a liquid or a solid.

[nathanm]

I love the Griffin giant volume control!

How is a volume control not audio related???

That's very true!  I guess in that sense it has more of an effect on audio than the tweaky thing!  I did buy the Griffin knob years back, but it's one of these things I have never found a use for.  Basically you can control the pulsing of the blue LEDs on the bottom with the software driver, assign it different functions and all.  It's kind of a 5th wheel controller, it might be cool if I had a 3rd hand available.  The knob movement is creamy smooth though!

Physics and chemistry?  Who needs that when you have marketing?  The average joe copy writer is more powerful than the most learned physicist.  Write something and it becomes true!  Magic!  Where does the Clever Clock and Brilliant Pebbles get their power from?  Words!  To think all those years of study people waste on learning science when they could take a simple creative writing course and become a potential hi-fi audio superstar!

[chadh]

Physics and chemistry?  Who needs that when you have marketing?  The average joe copy writer is more powerful than the most learned physicist.  Write something and it becomes true!  Magic!  Where does the Clever Clock and Brilliant Pebbles get their power from?  Words!  To think all those years of study people waste on learning science when they could take a simple creative writing course and become a potential hi-fi audio superstar!

In that vein, has anybody thought to make a Wikipedia entry for some of these phenomena?  Just to lend that extra little bit of credibility to the stories?

Chad

[TjMV3]

I have found that if I pass-wind when listening to my system,  it changes the air-molecules around and  my system sounds veiled and unfocused...congested;  afterwards.  The soultion to this problem is one of those Sam Adams beer-belches that comes from the feet and rapidly erupts into the air.

The air-molecules are immediately realigned and organized, correctly.  But it has to be a Sam Adams beer-belch.  Can't be Budwiser,  Miller or Shlitz.   Beer-belches from these three beers make my system sound trashy,  staggered, sloppy and uninhibited. 

[rabpaul]

The average joe copy writer is more powerful than the most learned physicist.  Write something and it becomes true!  Magic!  Where does the Clever Clock and Brilliant Pebbles get their power from?  Words! 

You really give copywriters too much credit.
So tell me did you actually buy your source, amp, speakers based on words from a copywriter? I don't think so.
All words can only get you to do is to try a product, which in our case means to listen to the difference.
Praise or dismiss only after you have tried, as you cannot otherwise have an opinion on something you have only read about.

[nathanm]

sarcasm |ˈsärˌkazəm| noun the use of irony to mock or convey contempt : his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment. See note at wit .

ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from French sarcasme, or via late Latin from late Greek sarkasmos, from Greek sarkazein ‘tear flesh,’ in late Greek ‘gnash the teeth, speak bitterly’ (from sarx, sark- ‘flesh’ ).

[nathanm]

Praise or dismiss only after you have tried, as you cannot otherwise have an opinion on something you have only read about.

At least give them the benefit of doubt. What proof do we have it does not work. I just get a little tired of people who put down a product without trying it. Yes it sounds a a bit far fetched but who knows, it may work, it may not. I would only be skeptical if they did not offer a money back guarantee.

Rollo, rabpaul:

Would you be willing to purchase a SonicRock from me?  Both of you have given the most open minded and considerate responses to the issue of the blue LED doodad.  I will offer you a money back guarantee on the SonicRock as that appears to be the difference betwixt ludicrous joke and a serious product sincerely intended to improve audio.  Please let me know, because I am really eager to get rich by selling stones from my backyard to people.  Thanks!  So far nobody has bought one yet (bunch of no good dirty skeptics if you ask me) but hopefully with your fully informed reviews of said product I can be on my way to financial success!  Many people have said the SonicRock wouldn't work, but they don't count since they haven't even tried it.  How can we possibly listen to such bitter cranks?  ALL ideas, no matter what, deserve our respect and earnest consideration.  Let us reserve judgement until all the facts are in.

http://home.wi.rr.com/saruman/articles/sonicrock.html

Please note that like the air-molecule rearranger device the SonicRock is also made from all natural materials!  Absolutely no unnatural ingredients!

[smargo]

Does anyone remember the dreaded "digital lense" that i believe paul mcgowan was selling about 7 or 8 years ago for $2000 - robert harley gave it one of the most glowing reviews i have ever read. What a farce of a product!!! one of the all- time worst products i ever owned.

What ever happened to that "white elephant"

But nathann is right it's all in the wording and how you advertise it.

Just look at Bose - incredible advertising



Regards
smargo

[Russell Dawkins]

I am really eager to get rich by selling stones from my backyard to people.  Thanks!  So far nobody has bought one yet (bunch of no good dirty skeptics if you ask me) but hopefully with your fully informed reviews of said product I can be on my way to financial success!  Many people have said the SonicRock wouldn't work, but they don't count since they haven't even tried it.  How can we possibly listen to such bitter cranks?  ALL ideas, no matter what, deserve our respect and earnest consideration.  Let us reserve judgement until all the facts are in.

I would be interested, but am loathe to waste $99 on unproven non-technology. These devices have never been reviewed, to my knowledge, are not offered with a satisfaction guarantee and are not offered at the expected deep discount to ACers.

Now for something like $9.99 each, shipping included (to Canada), with full color documentation, wooden presentation box and proof of authenticity, I might be tempted. I'd even write a review (but you'd have to pay me handsomely, and not in SonicRocks).

'Course with the resulting demand, you might not be able to keep up, or your back yard would start to look like an open pit mine - or you'd have to start importing them from China.

[nathanm]

All of those things you mentioned ARE offered Russell, perhaps your doubting mind is just not seeing the text!  You have to BELIEVE!  Besides, the results have been proven time and time again, in my mind.  What more do you want?  And as for the price, it's trivial compared to what you'd have to do to achieve Maximum Fidelity using any other means.  Think of what it would cost to hire a person to press lightly upon the case of your amplifer every time you wanted to listen to a song!  Sure the person pressing lightly on the case of the amplifer makes a huge difference that anyone could hear, even people who don't like sound, but the SonicRock achieves this for a one-time cost!  I am not so sure a large metal hockey puck that lights up could compare. 

[Daygloworange]

I'm just wondering if the cryo process from the ice age on these Sonicrocks is still viable millions of years later, or has the crystalline structure relaxed over time?

Would the Sonicrocks benefit from a fresh dose of cryo treatment? Or do you think that if we just put a picture of it in the freezer, that, that would be all that's needed to bring them back up to full spec?

Have you done any experiments along those lines?

Can you shed some light on these questions nathanm? Inquiring minds want to know.

Cheers 

[TONEPUB]

Nathan:

As a member of the audio journalist crew, I agree with you on many levels and am often very
dismayed by some of the stuff I see.  I tried one of those CD demagnetizers and did not have
any luck with it at all.  I tried to be as scientific as I could:  I used about ten different combinations
of CD, DVD-a, SACD, CD-R, DVD-R, ones with no writing, some writing, a lot of writing, etc
and no one could hear the difference between the "demagnetized" CD. I also used a Meridian 808
and a Wadia 581, so I don't think it was because either of my digital players didn't have enough
resolution!!

Our classical editor has a masters in Electrical Engineering and a PhD in Physics, so he's usually
my go to guy whenever I'm not sure about what I'm talking about and he just shakes his head
over most of this stuff as well.

I've also tried those big things that look like coat hangers too!  No luck there either.

I like to try and keep an open mind, but I haven't seen any of these snake oil things that work.

Even when it comes to expensive interconnects and power cords.  I have heard some definite improvements
in transparency, freedom from grain, but honestly it's a few percent here a few percent there.

I have a fairly good reference system and one day just for laughs, I took both of my Running Springs power
conditioners out of the line, went back to all the stock power cords and 50 dollar interconnects and it was
a pretty dramatic difference, so cumulatively those little bits of resolution really do add up.

But I haven't had any of the questionable things work for me yet!!!

All it does is turn people against the industry and that's bad for all of us.

[Imperial]

I removed my prior posting, because I believe that I might be the only one on Audiocircle that could understand what I wrote...
Never mind...

I think I understand how this gizmo in mention works...
But apparently it is to complex to convey...

But from what I can see it makes the air resistive to absorbing heat from the friction that is the transmitting
of sound...

It's a longshot, really it is...

As I see it... a bunch of Yucca plants will make the room sound better as well...
It will eat carbon mono oxide, evaporate water and oxygen and better the air's ability to
transmit soundwaves... And the plants themselves will be acoustic absorbers...

I guess you could say that this device is a Yucca wannabe...
And I believe it is so complex in it's workings... that to tell it like it is... is gonna get smiles, and then rolling eyes...

Duh!

Imperial

[TONEPUB]

Sometimes the simple approach is best.  I guess I'd try the Yucca plant first!!

[awe-d-o-file]

"I have a fairly good reference system and one day just for laughs, I took both of my Running Springs power
conditioners out of the line, went back to all the stock power cords and 50 dollar interconnects and it was
a pretty dramatic difference, so cumulatively those little bits of resolution really do add up."


I "hear" that! I use a P-300 on my sources and can even hear when it has reset to 60hz due to a power interruption. Besides what you mentioned above isolation of components has made a nice improvement. I do get an improvement from Herbies Grungebuster on CD playback as well. (MF Trivista) No other CD tweaks have helped to the point of audibility for me.

                                                               ET

[Imperial]

Sometimes the simple approach is best.  I guess I'd try the Yucca plant first!!

Yeah, next they are gonna come up with "cryo frozen" water for your
genetically modified Yucca...

 

But really.
This here gizmo:

A humidifier, is most likely a really great tweak.

Imperial

[1000a]

the sonic rock is excellent been using em for years, Friday I got a Zen Master coming over to re-align the chakras in my listening room, evidently while playing my 33rpm LPs on my dad's TT at 78 speed I completely screwed up and knocked the chi out of whack, therefore needing an audio spiritual cleansing I called the Master.

He told me in a dream I had probably seriously messed up even my micro perceptions of one hand clapping, and this was a dire matter that needed his attention NOW cause the nearing Astro belt might explode least we get this sonic mess under controll ASAP.

[rabpaul]

Its Ok to skeptical and to walk away from something which to you is far fetched. Its totally another thing to knock something down without ever trying it. "Don't know guys, its kind of out of this world" would be a very respectable response.

Nathanm,
Thanks for the offer but I already have a GutWire NotePad on top of my CDP which to me is all I need.

Tonepub,
At least you have tried out some thingamajigs and can offer an opinion on them, which is all I am saying.

[TONEPUB]

Well, I keep trying the thingamajigs, because you never know....

There are a group of physicists that subscribe to the "ghost in the machine"
theory that electricity is more random than it is given credit for, so who
knows?

I think the key is to stay open minded and keep your sense of humor!

If you are digging your sound, that's all I care about!!