Bybee Filters with speakers

Mad DOg · « **on:** 10 Aug 2003, 06:05 am »

Cryotweaks was kind enough construct and lend me inline bybee filters to connect to the positive terminals for use with speakers...

I must say I was very skeptical of Bybees as I've heard them in Cryotweak's ICs and power cords and they didn't always affect sound positively. They worked great for classical music but didn't sound as good for some rock music.

Cryotweaks had been telling me that the Bybees worked great for speakers in his experience and that I had to try them...so he lent me a pair...

Let me just tell you, they flat out work and work well! the soundstage is wider and deeper, highs more transparent, bass is tighter, mids more fluid...imaging more precise...I was SHOCKED that the improvement was so dramatic!

Needless to say I'm now a believer! I would recommend this inexpensive mod to anyone looking for more realism from their speakers....Happy listening.

Tyson · « **Reply #1 on:** 10 Aug 2003, 06:06 am »

Now you just gotta try them on your interconnects and digital cable (if you're running a seperate DAC). The Bybees are indeed for real. ..

Mad DOg · « **Reply #2 on:** 10 Aug 2003, 06:29 am »

Quote from: Tyson

Now you just gotta try them on your interconnects and digital cable (if you're running a seperate DAC). The Bybees are indeed for real. ..

Cryotweaks brought some bybee'd ICs over last time and I loved what they did for classical music but preferred my Zu Disco ICs on Dave Matthews...yeah, i'm running a separate DAC...

satfrat · « **Reply #3 on:** 10 Aug 2003, 07:12 am »

MD, have you tried the Inlines in conjunction with the speaker Bybee`s? Bybee`s effects are accumulative and maybe with the wider deeper dynamics of the speaker Bybee`s, the inlines will accentuate this. Then throw the power Bybee`s into the mix and it all comes together,,,,

Regards, Robin

arthur · « **Reply #4 on:** 12 Aug 2003, 02:25 am »

how much do the speaker wire Bybees cost? the only place i'm aware of that sells them is Bolder, but those run $350. i guess if i'm by-wiring than it would be $700...

Mad DOg · « **Reply #5 on:** 12 Aug 2003, 02:54 am »

Quote from: arthur

how much do the speaker wire Bybees cost? the only place i'm aware of that sells them is Bolder, but those run $350. i guess if i'm by-wiring than it would be $700...

arthur,

check w/ Cryotweaks on this...i'm running regular speaker cable and plugging the positive plug to the bybee which is plugged into the speaker binding post...i will most likely get bybees from Cryotweaks and solder them to the positive lead of the tweeter as this is what Cryotweaks recommends (at least if i correctly understood what he told me). this shouldn't cost anywhere near $350.

satfrat · « **Reply #6 on:** 12 Aug 2003, 03:23 am »

Quote from: arthur

how much do the speaker wire Bybees cost? the only place i'm aware of that sells them is Bolder, but those run $350. i guess if i'm by-wiring than it would be $700...

Bolder Cables have a Bybee bi-wire jumper for $350. Regards, Robin

cryotweaks · « **Reply #7 on:** 12 Aug 2003, 08:00 pm »

Arthur,

Do you wish to simply attach a Bybee to each positive input at the binding post, or would you rather solder them to each driver? I have the raw devices, and I can fashion a more "plug and play" Bybee that would just go between your positive speaker wire and the positive binding post on your speaker. Much like what Mad Dog has been using.

If your speakers are a two-way, I would start with the tweeter section first. That will take two Purifiers at a cost of $85 each. If you want the "plug and play" version, they are about $97.00 each

giorgino1 · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 Aug 2003, 02:51 pm »

Hi Cryotweaks - Is there a sonic compromise in using the plug&play bybees?

cryotweaks · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 Aug 2003, 02:55 pm »

Not much. Ideally, you would want to solder a Bybee directly to the positive terminal of each driver in your loudspeaker system. I would say the Plug and play device gets you 85-90% there sonically.

cryotweaks · « **Reply #10 on:** 14 Aug 2003, 05:50 pm »

they are up on my site, on the Bybee page.

http://www.cryotweaks.com/bybee.shtml

Beezer · « **Reply #11 on:** 14 Aug 2003, 07:15 pm »

I've ordered a pair of the plug 'n play. One advantage of these is not having to pay for a bybee for each driver, just one per speaker. I'll take 85-90% at a bit more than 1/3 the cost, thank you very much!

Beez

Mad DOg · « **Reply #12 on:** 14 Aug 2003, 07:43 pm »

Quote from: Beezer

I've ordered a pair of the plug 'n play. One advantage of these is not having to pay for a bybee for each driver, just one per speaker. I'll take 85-90% at a bit more than 1/3 the cost, thank you very much!

Beez

Beez,

Please share your impressions on these! I really like them and I'm curious to hear what others think about 'em...

satfrat · « **Reply #13 on:** 15 Aug 2003, 04:37 am »

Just to inform, Jack Bybee himself told me that thru his experimentation, he found that the best results from his Bybee`s were obtained by having 2 purifiers in series on the + wire, hense the Ultra edition of his speaker filters verses his old standard model. I have tried both the Ultra speaker filters and the standard model on my mains and I have found his statements to me to be a fact. Regards, Robin

Mad DOg · « **Reply #14 on:** 15 Aug 2003, 08:31 am »

Quote from: satfrat

Just to inform, Jack Bybee himself told me that thru his experimentation, he found that the best results from his Bybee`s were obtained by having 2 purifiers in series on the + wire, hense the Ultra edition of his speaker filters verses his old standard model. I have tried both the Ultra speaker filters and the standard model on my mains and I have found his statements to me to be a fact. Regards, Robin

very interesting...i just might have to experiment...

cryotweaks · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 Aug 2003, 01:47 pm »

I have the Purifiers soldered to each driver in my system, and on occasion burn in the plug & Play units on my system as well. So in effect, I am probably doing the same "double Bybee" thing. It does make quite a difference. BUT on some recordings, subtle musical elements already in the rear of the stage get pushed too far back for my liking, Its almost like along with the noise, the extra Bybee takes a wee bit of the music with it. It gives the illusion of taking only a selective part of the music, in that the highs are not rolled off or the mids more subdued, just cetain elements get pushed further back.

That is just my experience, your mileage may vary...[/i]

satfrat · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 Aug 2003, 03:09 pm »

Quote from: cryotweaks

I have the Purifiers soldered to each driver in my system, and on occasion burn in the plug & Play units on my system as well. So in effect, I am probably doing the same "double Bybee" thing. It does make quite a difference. BUT on some recordings, subtle musical elements already in the rear of the stage get pushed too far back for my liking, Its almost like along with the noise, the extra Bybee takes a wee bit of the music with it. It gives the illusion of taking only a selective part of the music, i ...

Mike, maybe the difference lies in having the Bybee`s internally on each drive verses a Bybee Ultra speaker filter connected at the terminal that`s covering the whole speaker system. In my case, there was a definite widening of the soundstage with a greater dynamic presentation with the Ultra model. I hope this continues to be the case as I feel a speaker upgrade coming. As a side note, I`m STILL waiting on my Ridge Street MSE digital cable w/ 2 Bybee`s that you sent him for me. I HAD to tell Robert to take his time and play with the Bybee`s.

Regards, Robin

Sa-dono · « **Reply #17 on:** 15 Aug 2003, 05:22 pm »

Quote from: cryotweaks

I have the Purifiers soldered to each driver in my system, and on occasion burn in the plug & Play units on my system as well. So in effect, I am probably doing the same "double Bybee" thing. It does make quite a difference. BUT on some recordings, subtle musical elements already in the rear of the stage get pushed too far back for my liking, Its almost like along with the noise, the extra Bybee takes a wee bit of the music with it. It gives the illusion of taking only a selective part of the music, in that the highs are not rolled off or the mids more subdued, just cetain elements get pushed further back.

That is just my experience, your mileage may vary...

I believe this is just the extra Bybees emphasizing what each is already taking away from the music. So far I have found this with all of your products with Bybees that I have heard so far. I do agree that the soundstage and imaging are very nicely improved thanks to the Bybees.

Mad DOg · « **Reply #18 on:** 15 Aug 2003, 05:37 pm »

Quote from: Sa-dono

I believe this is just the extra Bybees emphasizing what each is already taking away from the music. So far I have found this with all of your products with Bybees that I have heard so far. I do agree that the soundstage and imaging are very nicely improved thanks to the Bybees.

i have found this to be the case as well, but to me the improvements in soundstage and imaging outweigh what the bybee seems to be taking away when the plug-n-play speaker bybee is used...

rcrump · « **Reply #19 on:** 16 Aug 2003, 09:37 pm »

I found I lost low level information using the Bybees for signal.....They homogenized things too much for my taste, but love what they do as respects separating AC digital from analog as well as other digital.....