Rythmik Servo kits

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drake

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Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #20 on: 3 Jan 2007, 07:20 am »
Yes, I have built subs. lol
I used to make my living building subs, of course most of them where car audio subs but hey a sub is a sub right. The difference is the acoustic chamber they are placed in "ie the room or the car".

I know how you feel about sealed inclosures. I prefer the sound of them myself.
According to Dennis H over at HT Guide "DEQ has shelving filters so it will do the LT"
Now that would be really cool an ajustable LT.

I am waiting on the TC Sounds LMS-4100 NEO Driver to arrive that is the sub I really want. I ordered the GR and PR to get a feel for PR designs as I have not built a PR before and it was cheap. Should be an
interesting experiment. I know the woofer will not pound like the TC Sounds drivers I used to install in
car audio but it should be interesting non the less.

If you do try the Rythmik let me know how it turns out.

Matt

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Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #21 on: 3 Jan 2007, 07:35 am »
I ordered the GR and PR to get a feel for PR designs as I have not built a PR before and it was cheap. Should be an
interesting experiment.

From what I read, the GR appears to have really strong output, have you seen any graphs of the FR?  There were a lot of good subjective reviews, but I can't find any graphs.  Let me know what you think.

What setup do you use in your car?  I have thought about car audio, but the wife will definitely kill me there.  Plus, I need a nicer car first.

I should be ordering my kit in a week or so.  I have been saving for a while.  I just need to settle some bills first. :duh:


Christof

Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #22 on: 3 Jan 2007, 02:58 pm »
It sure seems this thread has drifted far away from answering my original question, "...Any comments on how you feel the Rythmik Servo will integrate with the Zaph design vs the Peerless would be greatly appreciated."  I started this new thread to avoid distracting Drakes post regarding his confusion over amps but obviously that work out well.

drake

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Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #23 on: 3 Jan 2007, 03:36 pm »
According to this thread and others the answer would be a big fat YES.
Being the servo sub is sealed and the zaph design rolls off at around
80 hz it would be a great match. Sorry if I over ran your thread. I was
trying to get info about the servo sub. :)

audioferret

Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #24 on: 3 Jan 2007, 04:03 pm »
I also apologize.  We got carried away in our own search.  Awesome boxes, by the way.  Did you make those?  I've never seen anything like that design.

Given the fact that you already have the subwoofer and amp for the peerless setup, I would recommend building what you have.  You can always build another later and compare.  The peerless is a well-tested driver with a solid reputation.

From the Peerless Website:

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Conclusion for closed box subwoofer:
From the above simulations it can be concluded that even with a very powerful amplifier of 300 W it is not possible to achieve over 100 dB at 25 Hz.
Using a larger cabinet or counting on the bass boost of all living room environments with the boundaries contributing to amplification of the lowest frequencies a very good transient response can be achieved with the sealed enclosure.

Box data:

Type: Sealed
Volume: 30 l
Qt: 0,48


Note: this is for 30L, which is about 1 Cubic foot.  Your boxes are 2 cubic feet and would require different modeling.

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Conclusion and data for the vented system:
Using the 12" XLS driver in a vented cabinet can produce some high sound pressures and low distortion is possible with a high pass filter and good port design.

It has been shown that a high pass filter for the system is highly recommended to reduce the excursion below tuning.

Vented cabinet data:
Total volume: 40 litre
Port diameter: Ø90 mm (double flared recommended)
Port length: 510 mm
Tuning frequency: 30 Hz
High pass filter (highly recommended):
Q: 0.7
Fo: 20 Hz


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Conclusion for Passive radiator system:
Special considerations regarding overloading of the passive radiator is needed for passive radiator systems. Careful selection of limiting circuits and tuning frequency is needed to avoid unwanted noises from the system.
It has been shown that the tuning of the box is possible but that the user need to invest some time in adjusting the filters and limiters to achieve the goal. A high pass filter is highly recommended like used for the vented system above.

Passive radiator system data:
Total volume: 35 litre
XLS 12" slave with 625g Mms Order Id 830549
Tuning frequency: 20 Hz
High pass filter:
Cut off frequency: 17 Hz
Q: 0,7



    -   http://www.tymphany.com/papers/appxls12b.htm

Without a Linkwitz Transform circuit, the Rythmik will extend much further than the peerless and have greater output.

The Zaph design is also very solid.  I think you will find just about any bookshelf to work well with a subwoofer if the bookshelf can comfortably extend down below 80HZ, as the Zaph seems to do.

Given that the mains and sub will be driven in a HT environment, I don't think you need to worry about how well the actual drivers work together.  If they were combined in the same cabinet with a shared amplifier, that would be more relevant.  In this case, your receiver's crossover will segregate the two drivers. 

I think the question at hand is not how well the drivers will integrate, but what configuration will work best.  The Zaph design has notes for both sealed and ported/vented configurations - each with a different characteristic roll-off.  The subwoofer design (sealed, vented, IB) that you choose will also have a certain characteristic high-pass roll-off.

The Rythmik Design can be ordered with either a 12dB or 24dB high-pass filter.  Once you have decided on your mains configuration, you can call Brian to determine which configuration will integrate best.  I am going to go with the 12dB roll-off to integrate with a sealed mains setup, but your tastes and room may need a different optimum selection.

The Rythmik has another advantage - the selectable dampening and extension switches.  These will allow you to further customize your response and output once you actually have the sub in your room.  This selectability, combined with the greater extension, leans in favor of the Rythmik. 

Now, given that I have yet to hear either driver, your judgement is best.  Try to seek out someone in your area that has built one or both of these so you can hear them.

Again, sorry for the hijack.

Christof

Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #25 on: 3 Jan 2007, 05:22 pm »
I also apologize.  We got carried away in our own search.  Awesome boxes, by the way.  Did you make those?  I've never seen anything like that design.



Yep.  The "cube" look never did much for me.  This design minimizes panel size while maxamizing internal volume.  Take the surface area of a typical 6 sided cube and spread it over 26 sides and you inherently get a very rigid container per Buckminster Fullers Geodesic Domes.  It can also be constructed with CLD very easily since all sides are mitred.  I would like to build a few more of these and fill all six large sides with drivers but can't see how to pull it off.

drake

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Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #26 on: 3 Jan 2007, 06:39 pm »
Being that this will be in an HT environment , another option might be a nice 15" driver in a sealed box with an LT or shelving EQ.
Again sorry about the hijack.

P.S. Those are awesome boxes!! Really nice work.

Matt

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Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #27 on: 8 Jan 2007, 07:45 am »
Pretty Cool website documenting the advantages of servo technology for distortion reduction and improving linear response.

http://www.danmarx.org/audioinnovation/servosub.html

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pauly

Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #28 on: 8 Jan 2007, 09:11 am »
FWIW...
I love my stereo pair of Rythmik SE370 subs.
In the past I have built several ported subs but was never happy with the boominess of them. No matter how hard I tried to tune and place them properly.
After listening to dozens of commercial subs at shops and friends houses, the Rythmik may be the most musical subs I have ever heard. Very fast, clean and tight.
118 lbs. each , the grills were originally 1.5" from the baffle and at higher volume the surround would hit them . So they were moved to be 2.25" from the baffle.
I don't have 1000's of dollars to spend on subs ....but with these  I feel like I have 1000's of dollars worth of subs.
BTW, Brian Ding was a pleasure to deal with. He answered all of my emails promptly, shipping was fast, and they were packaged very well.


rythmik

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Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #29 on: 1 Feb 2007, 05:10 pm »
After doing extensive research I think the Rythmik servo sub is OVERATED Marketing Hype.
Looks like it has the speed and the roll off benefits with the the extension of the Linkwitz Transform that boasts the bottom
end. But you can do that with any sub!

If you want to see technology in action check out the DSP controlled Axiom subs. Now that is technology!

Matt

Matt,

If you can keep an open mind, I can assure you the sound quality of our servo subs is exceptional. Being engineers, we are often trapped in the mentality of if "I" cannot prove it exists, then it doesn't.  I have a Ph.D. degree in EE. Audio is my passion. Since it is not my bread-earner, I have spent zero dollar on marketing.  I have never given kick-back to those who write good reviews on our servo subs either(which may not be fair to them  :cry:).  All of the feedback you have read in this forum or others are from audio enthusiasts who tried our subs. I am open to all technical discussion and debates if you'd like (regardless it is DSP, or servo,  or speakers in general)  :wink:

Thanks.
Brian
« Last Edit: 1 Feb 2007, 05:45 pm by rythmik »

NikN

Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #30 on: 17 Jan 2015, 08:37 pm »
FWIW...
I love my stereo pair of Rythmik SE370 subs.

Hello pauly,

I saw your Rythmik subs advertised on UsedVictoria a couple of months ago. Are you still willing to part with them?

I've been after a set of Rythmik's since discovering them; however, Rythmik no longer offers a plate amp with a High-Pass Output which would allow them to integrate sensibly with my system.

Let me know,

-Nick

NikN

Re: Rythmik Servo kits
« Reply #31 on: 17 Jan 2015, 10:20 pm »
Rythmik no longer offers a plate amp with a High-Pass Output

Correction: a High Level High-Pass Output