Paradisea DAC

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crazyface

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Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #480 on: 15 Jun 2007, 03:29 am »
All right - thanks for trying to help me, in any case.  :)  To whoever does take the time to explain it to me though, could you please relate the explanation to the questions and concerns that I posed in my previous message?  A purely technical explanation might not make much sense to me, without returning to my concerns as a point of reference.  Thanks again!

NewBuyer

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Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #481 on: 22 Jun 2007, 04:27 am »
Hello Newbuyer, hello Oscillate, I have a question for you both -

You are both upsampling your music before sending it to your Paradisea.  In your opinion then do you feel the upsampling is better than non-oversampling?  Would you have been better served to get an upsampling DAC, if you're just now upsampling it anyway? ... Also, do you know whether the Paradisea+ can accept HDCD signal?  Thank you!

Afaik the Paradisea cannot accept an HDCD signal. About just getting an upsampling DAC instead of sending an upsampled signal to the Paradisea, you would of course lose the very unique sound of the Paradisea. I'm not sure I've heard any other DAC sound quite like it, a very unique and musical DAC. Perhaps there is another non-oversampling DAC out there, that nevertheless upsamples (not oversamples) the signal internally? I'm not sure if there actually is one like that, perhaps there are several but I'm just not aware of them...

I haven't found the "new" Paradisea+ to sound better than the original Paradisea at all, but that's just my opinion... I kinda like the original Paradisea sound instead! :D


1000a

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #482 on: 22 Jun 2007, 06:00 am »
this only realtes to 2 channel audio-what they are doing in HT world, could not tell ya. :D

Well Tan has the Promi DAC in his system and is burning it in now so we who are always curious and searching will be enlightened shortly on an extremely affordable NOS SS DAC that should be quite excellent. it should certainly be seriously an easily considered.

I have been using a Birdland since 2002 that is an Up-sampler, that I have been quite pleased with it bumps 16/44 k to 24/96.

I am trying an Oversampler this time and in short order and I have every intention to also try a NOS DAC in the future, that way i can have a good feel for how they each sound to my ears.

Oversamplers do not bring 16/44 up to 24/96, its just a different design than NOS its goal is the same more pure - get back to our roots kinda thing.  the 2 camps will argue their respective positions I will let my ears pick my gear.  Any of the 3 can sound good it depends on implimentation and design.   

The promi is low risk, super price and if its Nicks I am sure it sounds quite good, doubt few people but the very pickiest would be disappointed.

1-early CDPs were NOS 1982 about

2-nxt gen were Oversamplers i believe these began in 1985ish
(x2,x4,x8 oversample to help improve the the sound)

3-then came the Upsamplers (as a reaction to the seeming DVD-A and SACD revolution to bump 16/44 CDS to 24/96 to maybe sound as good as the new formats), some love it some don't.

Some experts say a transport for DVD-A and SACD is really not at all optimal for CD sound, for what thats worth, although they are available and on the highend also. Everything REdbook/CD now is being reavaluated cause Up-sample DACs were a reaction to SACD/DVD-A, which most agree by this time is essentially a failure, not bad sound but company wars and few music choices have taken a large toll.

Now we are in the best time of all a true vortex and a crossroads where many have found really good redbook/cd can be better than DVD-A or SACD (it had potential it looks like a Betamax kind of market problem and with this its still so new we have not even learned to begin taping the possibilities there cause with the new formats came new bigger more difficult math problems, and the CD math problems have still yet to be really well solved).  So now really good designers are using any of the 3 DACs but from a different vantage point.  They all have the window of history and all the accumilated knowledge/experince and even newer technology to re-explore with and implimiment from. 

So the NOS of today is not the NOS of 1982-3, its cutting edge and the oversampling today is also much better informed also. they all sound different and anyone of them can sound very good. its a party, not a problem :D

From what i understand many get Up and Oversample confused (my self included, hense this post as a check point) they are similar very losely in technique - application in the math of the design (which is infact quite complex is also different), but the intended outcomes are quite different, no matter the math.

Few people agree whats better, so there is no better.  From the really expensive stuff, one company Dodson uses I believe at one point at least both Over and Upsampling in the same DAC, Levinson generally uses Oversampling and Audio Note uses NOS, all can work well, depends on who's driving the buss. 

The really interesting thing I am waiting to hear is how the Promi SS NOS (using Trannies in its design) compares to the NOS Altmann (which could be considered extremely pure in its design).

Many agree the Altmann is incredibley good, smooth analogue and is killing lots of compititors up to 3,000. quite easily.  So will the 340. Promi SS NOS kill the 1,500. Altmann SS NOS (guessing the price here). For me this will be the test. Its the super bowl for the budget audiofile. :lol:

Hope all this helps rather than confuses- that was my intention, I am trying to get a simple working understanding of each, for my own clarity.  OK carefull with those :flame:'s
« Last Edit: 22 Jun 2007, 06:24 am by 1000a »

tanchiro58

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #483 on: 9 Jul 2007, 09:14 pm »
Paradisea DAC's lovers,

This is a good new if you are interested or considered to make your musics more musical and involving especially for the tube gear's owners.

I have tried to connect the DIY Audio Consulting RCA (Eichmann bullets) Silver digital cable to my SB3. This is a first time my music sounds so involving (especially lush if you want to add) with details in midrange (sweet!!!) and high and defined mid and low bass.  :thumb: :dance:

PS: F100 has loaned his Paradisea DAC to me.

luvmusic8

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Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #484 on: 10 Jul 2007, 03:27 am »
I use itunes in my PC with USB Paradisea+. As Windows XP K-mixer affect SQ adversely, I try to use ASIO driver. But itunes in PC does not seem to be able to altered to bypass K-mixer.  Is this a common experience? How do I get around to use ASIO driver for better SQ?

GHM

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #485 on: 10 Jul 2007, 09:38 pm »
Try Winamp or another playback software..they may be a better way to go over Itunes for PC. I tried Itunes on my PC. I far more enjoy foobar or winamp to it.

zoobar

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Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #486 on: 3 Aug 2007, 09:23 am »
Just rescently got my new Paradisea + and have it cooking on burn-in.

Wonder if you guys can help me interpret the LED´s.
What are the red, blue, yellow and green?

I thought the blue was to show that it locked the signal, but when I'm connecting to PC via USB I just get the green and yellow to light up. On the other hand, when I shut the PC down the blue and red are on.  :o

I tried to mail to mhdtgang at yahoo, but no luck there. Is that a valid emailaddress?

Any ideas?

GHM

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #487 on: 3 Aug 2007, 03:11 pm »
Quote from: zoobar link=topic=33534.msg#msg date=
Just rescently got my new Paradisea + and have it cooking on burn-in.

Wonder if you guys can help me interpret the LED´s.
What are the red, blue, yellow and green?

I thought the blue was to show that it locked the signal, but when I'm connecting to PC via USB I just get the green and yellow to light up. On the other hand, when I shut the PC down the blue and red are on.  :o

I tried to mail to mhdtgang at yahoo, but no luck there. Is that a valid emailaddress?

Any ideas?

Your unit is doing exactly what it should be doing. I think yellow is for USB and green means there is a lock. My unit does the same thing when the PC is turned off. You should be fine.

zoobar

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Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #488 on: 3 Aug 2007, 06:49 pm »
Your unit is doing exactly what it should be doing. I think yellow is for USB and green means there is a lock. My unit does the same thing when the PC is turned off. You should be fine.

Thanks GHM,

just what I needed to hear.
Strange that they don't ship i with at least a basic manual.

In every other aspect I am very pleased. I was surprised to find it not half as "tubey" that I expected from reading forumposts. This DAC is very detailed indeed.  :thumb:

GHM

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #489 on: 3 Aug 2007, 09:24 pm »
Quote from: zoobar link=topic=33534.msg#msg date=
Quote from: GHM link=topic=33534.msg#msg date=
Your unit is doing exactly what it should be doing. I think yellow is for USB and green means there is a lock. My unit does the same thing when the PC is turned off. You should be fine.

Thanks GHM,

just what I needed to hear.
Strange that they don't ship i with at least a basic manual.

In every other aspect I am very pleased. I was surprised to find it not half as "tubey" that I expected from reading forumposts. This DAC is very detailed indeed.  :thumb:

Yeah the USB unit with the upgraded parts isn't all that tubey..which I like. You're right it is very detailed for a tube dac. :D

Nick77

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #490 on: 11 Aug 2007, 08:20 pm »
Thought I would resurrect this thread since I have a new version on the way. Picked up a we396a and looking forward to comparing results. My question is I just have some old acoustic research interconnects and wonder how important ic's are and which version might be best. Anyone done any comparisons with copper, silver or silver coat ic's. I know its all system dependant but a head start would help me. I remember someone saying he used a silver digital cable with good results but I think I might concentrate on some decent ic's for now. Thanks for any input.

low.pfile

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #491 on: 26 Aug 2007, 06:54 pm »
in for the IC recommendations....not a para owner  :shh:

luvmusic8

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Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #492 on: 26 Aug 2007, 07:50 pm »
Thanks to you guys, my audio system performance has improved tremendously since I bought this DAC. Does WE 396 sound better than stock tube? Where do you buy it?   

jaspal kallar

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #493 on: 26 Aug 2007, 09:01 pm »
Thanks to you guys, my audio system performance has improved tremendously since I bought this DAC. Does WE 396 sound better than stock tube? Where do you buy it?   

What Dac did you have before ?

Out of curiosity what system (amp, speakers) do you have now ?

    jaspal.

tanchiro58

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #494 on: 26 Aug 2007, 09:35 pm »
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I remember someone saying he used a silver digital cable with good results

Silver digital cable always produces smooth detailed sound but lack of bass. Sometimes it has bright or harsh sound in my system even though with tube system.

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my audio system performance has improved tremendously since I bought this DAC

That is true if you have a WE396A in your Paradisea you will bring your musics to another level. PM me if you like to have WE396A.

Nick77

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #495 on: 27 Aug 2007, 11:32 pm »
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I remember someone saying he used a silver digital cable with good results

Silver digital cable always produces smooth detailed sound but lack of bass. Sometimes it has bright or harsh sound in my system even though with tube system.

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my audio system performance has improved tremendously since I bought this DAC

That is true if you have a WE396A in your Paradisea you will bring your musics to another level. PM me if you like to have WE396A.

I second the 396a very highly. I was trying to leave the stock tube in while breaking the unit in but got anxious and installed the we396a and glad I did cause it is sooo much more musical. This unit has also taken my system one step closer to sonic bliss. :green:

tanchiro58

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #496 on: 27 Aug 2007, 11:55 pm »
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This unit has also taken my system one step closer to sonic bliss.

That is good for you. But if you want to reach "into sonic bliss" you should modify the signal path in your Paradisea and build your own Audio Consulting digital cable. Ask F100 how his Paradisea sound with that digital cable.

low.pfile

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #497 on: 28 Aug 2007, 12:19 am »
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This unit has also taken my system one step closer to sonic bliss.

That is good for you. But if you want to reach "into sonic bliss" you should modify the signal path in your Paradisea and build your own Audio Consulting digital cable. Ask F100 how his Paradisea sound with that digital cable.


....what of the ICs on the analog side? Silver is mentioned above but is that what YOU used? all of YOU.

Nick77

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #498 on: 28 Aug 2007, 12:47 am »
I ended up with a pair of Audio Art IC3 which is copper with silver plate and I can reccomend them them very highly.

low.pfile

Re: Paradisea DAC
« Reply #499 on: 28 Aug 2007, 01:14 am »
Thanks for the info Nick!