21 capacitor shootout published in largest Chinese Hi-Fi journal...

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ChrisVH

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AV Frontline (China's largest Hi-Fi Journal) has just published the results of a 21 capacitor "shootout" that lasted 14 months, and was conducted by a very well respected audiophile/reviewer. V-Cap is honored to be mentioned favorably in this article. Please click the following link for an English translation of the article (.pdf file) provided to me by the author. http://www.vhaudio.com/21capacitorshootout.pdf

Daryl

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« Reply #1 on: 7 Nov 2006, 10:57 pm »
That was foolish.

You and the author should be ashamed.

Film capacitors are componets which are nearly perfect.

You and others like you are simply feeding on the stupidity of the common man.

Daryl


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Tell us how your really feel Daryl?  Why the negativity?   I for one can hear differences in caps in certain applications.  I help a friend mod an Almarro amp with some V-Caps I bought from Chris Venhaus, the difference was quite profound, I had my stock amp on hand to do an a/b and the sound was in better in many areas from one  simple cap change. 

The common man isn't thinking about swapping caps in electronics, heck they're usually well educated engineers. 

Congrats on a well deserved review Chris!

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I help a friend mod an Almarro amp with some V-Caps


 Now where did you get that idea :lol:

 While everyone here knows I will not get involved in a debate.....Daryl......Ouch :scratch:

Jon L

Tell us how your really feel Daryl?  I help a friend mod an Almarro amp with some V-Caps I bought from Chris Venhaus, the difference was quite profound, I had my stock amp on hand to do an a/b and the sound was in better in many areas from one  simple cap change. 

OT, but did you notice any "darkening" of sound from stock->Vcap teflon in the Almarro?  I kind of like the tonal/treble balance of my Almarro A205MkII with the stock caps, so I'm looking for cap replacements that will not reduce any treble amount yet give more resolution and texture..

As far as the Cap comparison article, I would have loved to see the Sonicaps and Sonicap Teflons in the comparison!

Scott F.

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« Reply #5 on: 8 Nov 2006, 12:51 am »
That was foolish.
You and the author should be ashamed.
Film capacitors are componets which are nearly perfect.
You and others like you are simply feeding on the stupidity of the common man.
Daryl

One word comes to mind........Troll  :stupid:


Congrats Chris!  :thumb:

It looks as if the writer did a nice job comparing the caps. I realize that it would have made a novel out of an article but it would have been good to see some sort of grading scale that scored bass, midrange, treble, transparency, and so on.

....and whats this about the writer being scooped by Salvatore? ....so what am I, chopped liver? :shake:

......I don't get no respect   :dunno:  :jester:


Hey, did he get a chance to hear your OIMP's?

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As far as the Cap comparison article, I would have loved to see the Sonicaps and Sonicap Teflons in the comparison!

 This shootout started last year and it is possible that it was during the time when the SoniCap Platinum was not in production. Jeff did stop production for a while and was not sure if they would be re-introduced. This could be the reason they did not make it into the review.

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so what am I, chopped liver?

 Most people hate liver. Liver smells funny and looks funny too. Do you smell funny Scott? We already you are a bit funny looking :rotflmao: Just kidding??

gooberdude

Congratulations Chris!

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Congratulations Chris!

I agree with others in this thread. I would have liked to see a review with the Sonicaps, Sonicap Teflon types, and also the V-cap OIMP. Especially the V-cap OIMP vs.the Mundorf Silver in Oils.

Congrats again,

Anand.

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so what am I, chopped liver?

 Most people hate liver. Liver smells funny and looks funny too. Do you smell funny Scott? We already you are a bit funny looking :rotflmao: Just kidding??


...hey...wait a minute...I resemble those remarks  :scratch:

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I too was kind of hoping the V-OIMP's would be in there.  I've heard what they've done in one of Scott's pre's (that I now distribute).  It's not a subtle thing.  Hopefully, we'll have 3 of the same pre's with different cap configs to compare at the Xmas party.

Bryan

aggielaw

Chris,

Did you design your cap for a specific purpose, and/or does it perform better in certain types of components than others?

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I'd like to thank everybody for their thoughtful comments. I appreciate it. The OIMP's weren't included because they are not available in the value the author used for the project.

Aggie: The caps were not designed specifically for a single application, but was rather a team-based project between engineers/scientists/audiophiles to produce a better sounding capacitor for audio apps. In practice, the TFTF series works best for interstage and output coupling in tubed components, smaller values (.1 uF and .01 uF) for power supply cap bypassing, and for the mid/highs in speaker x-overs. The OIMP series works terrific for output coupling (sometimes OK to bypass with TFTF series .01 to .047), PS bypassing (cascading with the smaller Teflons), and anywhere in speaker x-overs.

Thanks again for the support and encouragement.  :)

aggielaw

Good stuff, Chris.  Maybe I'll save up the extra cash and use your caps in the crossover for a nOrh mini 9.0 I will use as a center channel soon. :)



crossroadazn

How listeners can detect different sounds in:capacitors,power cords, diode, liquid cleaners, etc.....just floor me  :rotflmao:

PaulHilgeman

I'm an engineer (EE) and I hear and believe in the differences between caps.

Tell us how your really feel Daryl?  Why the negativity?   I for one can hear differences in caps in certain applications.  I help a friend mod an Almarro amp with some V-Caps I bought from Chris Venhaus, the difference was quite profound, I had my stock amp on hand to do an a/b and the sound was in better in many areas from one  simple cap change. 

The common man isn't thinking about swapping caps in electronics, heck they're usually well educated engineers. 

Congrats on a well deserved review Chris!

PaulHilgeman

Any idea why ClarityCap was not included in this.  I think that their SA line of caps (hand wound metalized poly) are some of the best caps for speaker crossovers in the business.  I think that they are new to the scene, but not too sure when they got started.

-Paul

PaulHilgeman

How listeners can detect different sounds in:capacitors,power cords, diode, liquid cleaners, etc.....just floor me  :rotflmao:

Like many things, it is learned.  I have a much easier time telling the differences between drivers and crossover components than I do between certain types of DACs and coupling capacitors.  It is because I have spent years with the former.  As I spend more time with other areas, I find it easier to tell the differences.  About 3 years ago, I barely bothered to listen to tube gear as I am a "neutral, listen to what is on the recording" freak, and I figured tubes always imparted a sound.  Well, 3 years ago I found I was wrong, there are many things that tubes can do well, including to my disbelief, neutrality.  With time I was able to identify both the shortcomings and sounds that tubes and SS equipment impart.  This also broadened my thoughts on the sound that some SS equipment can impart, and most importantly, that both SS and Tube can occupy the same spaces of similar types of equipment (though not amps for the most part).  For example, I have heard a tube and SS CDP that sound more alike than that specific SS CDP and most other SS CDPs.

Hope this helps ?!?!?!

Paul

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I noticed one little variable was not taken into consideration in this test, namely the value of the capacitor.  No precision meter in sight to measure the actual values and match values of the various brands exactly.  In a circuit, when you change the value of a part, you change the sound, duhhhhh!

Oh well.

Frank Van Alstine

BobM

Where were the Sonicaps?

Bob