[eric the red]

"all lies and jest, still a man he hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"


Simon and Garfunkle;  The Boxer

I stand corrected-was thinking of the line "You see, ya can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

[Steve]

Would someone explain how electricity works, electron flow etc??? 

Haven't tried the fuse routine, but power cords can make a substantial sonic difference with a variety of components, with the possible exception of low quality mid fi components.

[boead]

Boed-while you're ranting, please list a few more audio manufacturers besides YBA who use and actively tout the use of audiophile fuses in their gear. Not reviewers or consumers, but manufacturers. Again, it seems that if manufacturers wanted to maximize the performance of their gear, an audiophile fuse would be a cheap upgrade.

The ones I’ve come across are hand made and cost way more then a $0.05 fuse. Manufacturers aren’t about to spend $25 on a fuse. However, manufacturers like BAT will tell you they make a difference and will love to hear about.

What makes you think manufacturers are always trying to maximize performance?  They are trying to make money and maximize profit. It’s up to YOU to try stuff if you’re interested.

nelamvr6, are you calling me a moron?

Again, if you’re a skeptic and have NOT tried things you claim can’t work or don’t then you’re being foolish. If you’re a skeptic and have NOT tried things you claim can’t work or don’t work AND you criticize others who HAVE then your just a Fool.

[JohnR]

Hm, I just remembered that TheChairGuy is on vacation. So, I put on his moderator hat and advise all here that any personal insults will be tossed immediately into Le Wastebin Intergalatique. Votes will be held, actions administratif will be taken. Etc. Thank you.

[srb]

nelamvr6, are you calling me a moron? Why don’t you ........(content deleted)

It makes me sad to see a totally uncalled for incredibly angry response like this on this forum.  Perhaps adjectives like "moron" and "stupid" should not have been used in previous posts, but this.....? 

[SET Man]

Hey!

    C'mon guys! Chill out man! Take it easy... otherwise you will your own fuse.

Take care,
Buddy

[boead]

It makes me sad to see a totally uncalled for incredibly angry response like this on this forum.  Perhaps adjectives like "moron" and "stupid" should not have been used in previous posts, but this.....? 

That wasn’t funny?

Whatayagonnado?

Srb, that wasn’t “incredibly angry.” Hell it wasn’t really even “angry,” just annoyed.

nelamvr6 just needs a lesson in manners. I offered my assistance, that’s all.

Sorry if the tone was strong.

[TheChairGuy]

Hm, I just remembered that TheChairGuy is on vacation. So, I put on his moderator hat and advise all here that any personal insults will be tossed immediately into Le Wastebin Intergalatique. Votes will be held, actions administratif will be taken. Etc. Thank you.

John,

Back a day early (not worth spending US$235 for another night where I was)...I've PM'ed boead and he edited some of his response - I've asked him to amend/edit/cut the final paragraph, too.

Gentlemen, find a way to NOT let this hobby escalate into anything more than (at most, a semi-rough) discussion. Take it to the Fight Club or don't respond at all to it is next best courses of action. If you can't respond with a sharp, witty quip back or nothing at all.....don't respond back with a challenge of real physical nature.  You're gonna' get yourselves kicked off of AC real fast that way.

There are some 6500 members at AC, and there will be 6500 individuals that have their own ideas about audio and how they will write their beliefs will be highly styled/individualized...respect, at least, that.

Thx,

John / TCG

[lonewolfny42]

OK John....since you mentioned it (not worth spending US$235 for another night where I was)....where were you ?

Chris

....whats that....a portable handtruck avatar ? (full of questions tonite.... )

[nelamvr6]

OK, I apologize. the use of the word "moron" was over the top.

Now, back to the idea of "directional" fuses.

AC is by definition current that will change direction. In fact, the current flow will be divided equally in both directions. In other words, current will flow in one direction 50% of the time, and in the other direction 50% of the time.

Now please explain to me how a fuse can be directional.

[boead]

OK, I apologize. the use of the word "moron" was over the top.

Now, back to the idea of "directional" fuses.

AC is by definition current that will change direction. In fact, the current flow will be divided equally in both directions. In other words, current will flow in one direction 50% of the time, and in the other direction 50% of the time.

Now please explain to me how a fuse can be directional.

It’s a magic fuse.

I don’t know! They sound different in either direction and there was no indication of it given by the maker or seller. After it was noticed that they sounded different flipped we asked the seller if this was ‘normal’ the reply was yes, most certainly. Apparently the fuse isn’t a simple device and neither direction was right just different. The tubes aren’t clear glass and the maker won’t say how they are made.
BTW: The ones I’m speaking about come from Germany and cost $25 to $50 each.

I don’t own any and my buddy that lived with them for a while decided he liked the stock fuses better. But many people like these audiophile fuses and they are not all alike. I didn’t so I don’t own them but I did listen to them.

I had a Furman IT Reference 15 balanced power supply for a while. I liked it bit I like the PS Audio Juice Bar better and it’s a fraction of the price. I listened to a half dozen different power conditioners and a couple of dozen different power cords and they all sound different. Better? Worse? I’ll not say, that’s a matter of synergy and taste but different? Absolutely!

I have not tried the PS Audio ones but I’m sure I will at some time.

You’re a smart guy, you understand the fundamentals of AC – right? So why don’t you go get all the details for use less intelligent people and teach us something. After all, what’s a moron like me know anyway.

 

[nelamvr6]

OK, I apologize. the use of the word "moron" was over the top.

Now, back to the idea of "directional" fuses.

AC is by definition current that will change direction. In fact, the current flow will be divided equally in both directions. In other words, current will flow in one direction 50% of the time, and in the other direction 50% of the time.

Now please explain to me how a fuse can be directional.

It’s a magic fuse.

I don’t know! They sound different in either direction and there was no indication of it given by the maker or seller. After it was noticed that they sounded different flipped we asked the seller if this was ‘normal’ the reply was yes, most certainly. Apparently the fuse isn’t a simple device and neither direction was right just different. The tubes aren’t clear glass and the maker won’t say how they are made.
BTW: The ones I’m speaking about come from Germany and cost $25 to $50 each.

I don’t own any and my buddy that lived with them for a while decided he liked the stock fuses better. But many people like these audiophile fuses and they are not all alike. I didn’t so I don’t own them but I did listen to them.

I had a Furman IT Reference 15 balanced power supply for a while. I liked it bit I like the PS Audio Juice Bar better and it’s a fraction of the price. I listened to a half dozen different power conditioners and a couple of dozen different power cords and they all sound different. Better? Worse? I’ll not say, that’s a matter of synergy and taste but different? Absolutely!

I have not tried the PS Audio ones but I’m sure I will at some time.

You’re a smart guy, you understand the fundamentals of AC – right? So why don’t you go get all the details for use less intelligent people and teach us something. After all, what’s a moron like me know anyway.

First let me say that if you and I were to meet in person, I believe we would get along famously, in fact, there's at least one beer with your name on it waiting for you in CT. I was wrong in using some of the language I used. I hope you can forgive me.

Having said that, there just is no way that what you're describing could actually have happened. There is simply no way that a fuse can be directional. And IMO there is no way that a fuse can make even the slightest difference in the sound emanating from a sound system.

Perhaps you had to disconnect and subsequently re-connect cables to change fuses? It is possible that the connections were dirty and by disconnecting and then re-connecting them the integrity of the connection was enhanced?

I have been an electronics professional since 1978, I manage a cal lab, and fuses will never make a difference. That I swear to you.

[Steve]

I was hoping for a more detailed explanation, actual electron flow etc.

I haven't tried the fuses. 

[HumanMedia]

With an open mind I tried the German HiFi Tuning fuses (silver filament ceramics and they dont claim to be directional) and there was a noticeable difference.  I wasnt sure if it was for the better as it gave the sound a toppy fuzz in the treble.  This calmed down after a week and the fuzziness disappeared.  I put the old ones back in and the sound seems less solid.  Dont know any better way to describe it than that.  Not as big as a power cord change but there all the same. On this basis I ordered a couple more and found they only seemed to make an audible difference when I use them in my hybrid preamp and poweramps, but no difference in my digital gear.

These arent the Isoclean 'directional' ones, but the german silver/ceramic ones. 

[eric the red]

With an open mind I tried the German HiFi Tuning fuses (silver filament ceramics and they dont claim to be directional) and there was a noticeable difference.  I wasnt sure if it was for the better as it gave the sound a toppy fuzz in the treble.  This calmed down after a week and the fuzziness disappeared.  I put the old ones back in and the sound seems less solid.  Dont know any better way to describe it than that.  Not as big as a power cord change but there all the same. On this basis I ordered a couple more and found they only seemed to make an audible difference when I use them in my hybrid preamp and poweramps, but no difference in my digital gear.

These arent the Isoclean 'directional' ones, but the german silver/ceramic ones. 

I'm trying to keep an open mind here (OK maybe I'm not but please don't anybody hurt me ) but how in the world can a skinny little wire sealed inside a small glass fuse take a week to settle or burn in? Is this some kind of electrical magic that only audiophiles are privy too? And if you want to get immediately laughed at, ask any electrician (as I have on construction sites) if a piece of wire is directional

[eric the red]

I was hoping for a more detailed explanation, actual electron flow etc.

I haven't tried the fuses. 

Try PMing emailing or asking Vinnie Rossi on the Red Wine Audio circle. Vinnie is an electrical engineer.

[nelamvr6]

With an open mind I tried the German HiFi Tuning fuses (silver filament ceramics and they dont claim to be directional) and there was a noticeable difference.  I wasnt sure if it was for the better as it gave the sound a toppy fuzz in the treble.  This calmed down after a week and the fuzziness disappeared.  I put the old ones back in and the sound seems less solid.  Dont know any better way to describe it than that.  Not as big as a power cord change but there all the same. On this basis I ordered a couple more and found they only seemed to make an audible difference when I use them in my hybrid preamp and poweramps, but no difference in my digital gear.

These arent the Isoclean 'directional' ones, but the german silver/ceramic ones. 

OK, let me get this straight, you put a fuse into your system that gave the sound a "toppy fuzz" and yet you continued to listen to it?  For a week? And then the fuse, what, burned in?

And then you ordered more?

Do you also have a "clever little clock" in your system?

[lonewolfny42]

DAM listening session... http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=28274&start=10  ....concerning different fuses.....brought over by Wayne.

Thought I'd bump this up again....maybe Wayne can comment about the fuses ? They may work....they may not. But the best way to know is to try it....simple.

No need to fight about it..."lighten up, its only audio"....(nathan)....

[eric the red]

DAM listening session... http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=28274&start=10  ....concerning different fuses.....brought over by Wayne.

Thought I'd bump this up again....maybe Wayne can comment about the fuses ? They may work....they may not. But the best way to know is to try it....simple.

No need to fight about it..."lighten up, its only audio"....(nathan)....

So where do you draw the line?  Do we have to try all the magic clocks magic fuses magic cable lifters magic jars of rocks magic power cords magic power conditioners magic ac outlets magic pucks magic racks magic equipment stands magic shelves etc etc etc just because someone else says they make something sound better and before we can think someone is maybe pulling our leg?  It's not ok to be skeptical of the ridiculous claims some people make about some of these products? Where do you draw the line then between saying something is an obvious scam (think: magic jars of rocks) and not saying anything? Are we supposed to believe that product xxx makes a significant sonic difference just because some reviewer says so? No DBT's because "You can't measure everything"? People saying that their audiophile fuses are "directional"??? What?? That little wire inside the fuse makes everything sound different when you put the fuse in backwards?? CMON.

[lonewolfny42]

So where do you draw the line? ....... So where do you draw the line? .....So where do you draw the line?

Good question !! Here's where I draw the line....If an item looks interesting, and if I think it may make a difference, I'll buy it, and try it.I read the reviews...but not everyone has the same system or ear's. I also consider what it costs....and is it worth spending my $$$ on. As for the fuses...to me their not expensive. I may try them...might work, might not.

I didn't think that fancy power cords were worth it....but I tried a few, and found one that mated very good with my amps...so....I bought it.

One other thing...depending on the quality of your system....I think that has alot to do with what you hear with different "tweaks"....and trust me...I've got lots of equipement here to try things on (and more is coming).

Thanks....Chris