[eric the red]

Am thinking about a dedicated line from the Bonneville dam on the Columbia in The Dalles Oregon straight to my house or building my own power plant in my back yard. Maybe the BPA could be convinced to cryo the whole dam...

[Soundideas]

The FUSE is the weakest link in your stereo gear Room treatment is the weakest link in your whole stereo system Clever Little Clocks are the real deal!

I really hope you're joking.

Clever Little Clocks are examples of chicanery at it's worst.

Only slight worse than "audiophile" fuses though.

Just one clever little clock in your system does not do much but when you add two or three of them to your system you can really hear a big improvement!

[nelamvr6]

The FUSE is the weakest link in your stereo gear Room treatment is the weakest link in your whole stereo system Clever Little Clocks are the real deal!

I really hope you're joking.

Clever Little Clocks are examples of chicanery at it's worst.

Only slight worse than "audiophile" fuses though.

Just one clever little clock in your system does not do much but when you add two or three of them to your system you can really hear a big improvement!

The only thing any number of clever little clocks will accomplish is the transfer of funds from the wallets of gullible rubes to the wallets of charlatans.

[Soundideas]

  These Clever Little Clocks are the best tweak that I have ever tried!

[nelamvr6]

These Clever Little Clocks are the best tweak that I have ever tried!

Yeah, right.

You obviously have more money than sense.

You really need to do some research.

Next time you feel like flushing good money down the toilette why not PM me, I'd be glad to take it off your hands.

[boead]

I listed to a couple of different Audiophile fuses and they all sounded different. The difference was about as significant (or insignificant depending on your opinion) as a power cord.

I didn’t buy any and a friend decided that he actually liked the stock fuses better but it took a week or so to come to that decision.

[boead]

I think that "Audiophile" fuses are a great idea!

Of course, you'll only really be able to appreciate the difference after you completely rewire your house with 'Audiophile" romex.

But that will only be a partial solution. You're gonna have to convince your utility company to rewire your neighborhood with "audiophile" wiring all the way back to the substation.

That will be a good start, but you're not done yet. Those transformers at the substation? They could sure use some improvement...

And that wiring in the power plants generator?...

That’s just not true. You totally don’t understand and I would guess never bother to actually listen. It has absolutely nothing to do with the wire in the wall or the power company or the wire in the transformers or generators. It’s all about the last few feet or inches before the transformer in the component that impress a sound change or difference on the audio component. It’s really just as simple as that and the more revealing or detailed your system is the more obvious the difference is. I’m not saying the difference is always better, it’s different. The stock cord or fuse or whatever is just ‘one’ of the ‘many different’ sounds that will be passed along.

If you like the stock parts then great; enjoy it. But you might find another part that have better synergy and sound more to your liking. It’s a personal choice and decision and placing value on that is opinion and can’t be dictated by any one person. $100 to one person might be a night out for dinner or it could be half of someone else’s paycheck. Also one person simply might not hear the difference, not have gear that’s revealing or inherently designed to not react much or lastly you might not give a rats ass.

[nelamvr6]

I think that "Audiophile" fuses are a great idea!

Of course, you'll only really be able to appreciate the difference after you completely rewire your house with 'Audiophile" romex.

But that will only be a partial solution. You're gonna have to convince your utility company to rewire your neighborhood with "audiophile" wiring all the way back to the substation.

That will be a good start, but you're not done yet. Those transformers at the substation? They could sure use some improvement...

And that wiring in the power plants generator?...

That’s just not true. You totally don’t understand and I would guess never bother to actually listen. It has absolutely nothing to do with the wire in the wall or the power company or the wire in the transformers or generators. It’s all about the last few feet or inches before the transformer in the component that impress a sound change or difference on the audio component. It’s really just as simple as that and the more revealing or detailed your system is the more obvious the difference is. I’m not saying the difference is always better, it’s different. The stock cord or fuse or whatever is just ‘one’ of the ‘many different’ sounds that will be passed along.

If you like the stock parts then great; enjoy it. But you might find another part that have better synergy and sound more to your liking. It’s a personal choice and decision and placing value on that is opinion and can’t be dictated by any one person. $100 to one person might be a night out for dinner or it could be half of someone else’s paycheck. Also one person simply might not hear the difference, not have gear that’s revealing or inherently designed to not react much or lastly you might not give a rats ass.

My contention is that any difference you perceive is all in you mind. 100%.

If you feel "audiophile" fuses are worth the money you are entirely within your right to waste whatever quantity of money you have to spare. Go into debt for all I care. It's your money you're wasting.

But it would behoove you to consider that you could be spending your money on things that could actually benefit you, such as more music, or better components. Hell, even better cables or interconnects would be a better use of your funds.

[eric the red]

So your ears and aural memory are so fine tuned that when you play a song, turn the piece of gear off, change fuses, power up again and cue the same song again 5 minutes later that you hear an audible difference. Interesting.  Rick Nelson: " A man hears what he wants to hear, and he disregards the rest..."

[Rob Babcock]

So your ears and aural memory are so fine tuned that when you play a song, turn the piece of gear off, change fuses, power up again and cue the same song again 5 minutes later that you hear an audible difference. Interesting.  Rick Nelson: " A man hears what he wants to hear, and he disregards the rest..."

Hmmm...wasn't that Simon & Garfunkle?

I have to wonder, too, why the last five feet are oh so audible yet the preceding thousands of feet/miles are irrelevant?

Probably because no one sells any mods for that & no one advertises it in the audio porn mags.

[eric the red]

So your ears and aural memory are so fine tuned that when you play a song, turn the piece of gear off, change fuses, power up again and cue the same song again 5 minutes later that you hear an audible difference. Interesting.  Rick Nelson: " A man hears what he wants to hear, and he disregards the rest..."

Hmmm...wasn't that Simon & Garfunkle?

I have to wonder, too, why the last five feet are oh so audible yet the preceding thousands of feet/miles are irrelevant?

Probably because no one sells any mods for that & no one advertises it in the audio porn mags.

'Garden Party'-Rick Nelson

[mrmusic]

"all lies and jest, still a man he hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"


Simon and Garfunkle;  The Boxer

[lonewolfny42]

'Garden Party'-Rick Nelson

Madison Square Garden....NYC

[Gordy]

I have to wonder, too, why the last five feet are oh so audible yet the preceding thousands of feet/miles are irrelevant?

If you flip your thinking around and view a power cord as the first five feet, then an explanation I once read kinda sorta makes sense, that the power supply sees/reacts to the cord as an extention of itself.  If the cord is somehow modifying the overall inductance/resistance/whatever of the PS, then changes in sound make sense... to me.  Of course this doesn't begin to explain the claims about fuses, but I do subscribe to the SST/SilClear contact enhancer school.  I use it on all contact surfaces and I like the changes the audio gods hath wrought 

[nelamvr6]

I have to wonder, too, why the last five feet are oh so audible yet the preceding thousands of feet/miles are irrelevant?

If you flip your thinking around and view a power cord as the first five feet, then an explanation I once read kinda sorta makes sense, that the power supply sees/reacts to the cord as an extention of itself.  If the cord is somehow modifying the overall inductance/resistance/whatever of the PS, then changes in sound make sense... to me.  Of course this doesn't begin to explain the claims about fuses, but I do subscribe to the SST/SilClear contact enhancer school.  I use it on all contact surfaces and I like the changes the audio gods hath wrought 

I believe that any power supply that experiences changes like you describe would have to be very poorly designed.

And why would the changes to the "overall inductance/resistance/whatever of the PS" suddenly stop at the outlet?

Don't get me wrong, I think there is a LOT more sense in upgrading power cords than upgrading to "audiophile" fuses, but I also believe that the benefits of better power cords have been greatly exaggerated.

Personally the only thing I was attempting to achieve by upgrading power cords was to minimize mag fields in close proximity to my interconnect cables. So I chose power cords that were REASONABLY priced and that provided better shielding.

[boead]

You know you guys just make me angry because you are all stupidly closed minded. When I ever ask a skeptic if they actually ever listened I almost NEVER get a response because they NEVER actually tried it. Instead they spout shite and comments about things they never experienced themselves. That’s makes them foolish and closed minded. They will immediately grasp hold of the only logical explanation (placebo) and hold it till the bitter end - such foolish nonsense.

I’ve ready billions of words from endless people and most of what is being said is repeated dribble of others. Again, I doubt any of you actually tried it yourself. Instead you pick up shite you read and regurgitate it to others as gospel. Blah, blah, blah!

Bad transformer design? Yeah some say so although I’ve heard highly praised amps and components from respected makes like BAT, Conrad Johnson, Rogue and others that all exhibit the same behavior. So I guess they all are inferior products.

And why would the changes to the "overall inductance/resistance/whatever of the PS" suddenly stop at the outlet?
It doesn’t stop at the wall outlet, I don’t think anyone said it did but its not what’s important and it’s the obviously a good place to ‘draw the line’ so we can easily change power cords as we do interconnects or speaker cable to alter the character of the component to suite your taste and yes, a fuse or even internal wiring if your ambitious enough. And again, yes the outlet matters as well as the house wiring and the fuse in the fuse box too. Again, if your ambitious enough you can re-wire your house. Lots of companies make hi-grade wiring. JPS makes great house wire as well as MIT and some other well knows manufacturers. PS Audio, Wattgate and others make outlets and so on. Draw the line where you want.

100% in my mind? Umm, no I’m sorry but you are 100% wrong in you assumption. The differences are sometimes so obvious you would have to be nearly deft to not hear it.
You are VERY insulting to insinuate that most of us are that stupid and that the difference is a placebo. And also if you think the human memory is insufficient to record subtle changes in anything aural or optical you are gravely mistaken. The human mind can easily remember just about any subtle nuance including the smell or taste of something, ask any chef!

How about this? Some audiophile fuses are directional!

[mfsoa]

I don't understand why it is rather accepted that power cords can make a significant sonic change, but fuses wouldn't. I haven't tried it myself, but I just don't see why it is so hard to beleive that a fuse and/or fuse holder might make a difference.
Still keeping my mind open.

[nelamvr6]

I don't understand why it is rather accepted that power cords can make a significant sonic change, but fuses wouldn't. I haven't tried it myself, but I just don't see why it is so hard to beleive that a fuse and/or fuse holder might make a difference.
Still keeping my mind open.

The significant sonic changes you speak of are not nearly as universally believed as you think. In fact, there are many who don't buy into the theory. Many others will attribute differences that are far more subtle.

[nelamvr6]

You know you guys just make me angry because you are all stupidly closed minded. When I ever ask a skeptic if they actually ever listened I almost NEVER get a response because they NEVER actually tried it. Instead they spout shite and comments about things they never experienced themselves. That’s makes them foolish and closed minded. They will immediately grasp hold of the only logical explanation (placebo) and hold it till the bitter end - such foolish nonsense.

I haven't tried to listen to my system with the power off either. To paraphrase a wise man (Mr. Spock if you must know): "If I drop a hammer, I need not see it fall to know that it has fallen".

Fuses will never make a difference because they can't make a difference. And yes, it's a placebo and I don't particularly care if you don't like it.

I’ve ready billions of words from endless people and most of what is being said is repeated dribble of others. Again, I doubt any of you actually tried it yourself. Instead you pick up shite you read and regurgitate it to others as gospel. Blah, blah, blah!

Right back at ya!

How about this? Some audiophile fuses are directional!

Only a complete moron with absolutely zero knowledge of the way electricity works would believe that fuses could be directional! 

[eric the red]

Boed-while you're ranting, please list a few more audio manufacturers besides YBA who use and actively tout the use of audiophile fuses in their gear. Not reviewers or consumers, but manufacturers. Again, it seems that if manufacturers wanted to maximize the performance of their gear, an audiophile fuse would be a cheap upgrade.

I can't imagine how anyone could be skepical about the sonic benefits of audiophile fuses after reading this gem from Albert Porter's review in PF:

"In my system, the change from stock fuses to Isoclean fuses was absolutely positive. The Isoclean mostly reduced distortion and grunge while tightening up imaging and improving the sense of placement. This kind of upgrade is so right that you accept the change as part of the music within a few minutes. It's very much like the benefit offered by a fine aftermarket power cord, but in miniature.

In my listening evaluation, the Isoclean fuses were installed into the holders on the back panel of each Aesthetix power supply. The Improvement was obvious from the moment the system was turned on. Better still, everything continued to improve for several days as the fuses settled in." It took a few days for the fuses to settle in...

This entire discussion somehow reminds me another Positive Feedback reviewer's closing remarks in his review of the (yet another sonic miracle device that I've never tried) Clever Little Clock:

"In the final analysis, I want The Clever Little Clock. Machina Dynamica promises that with the Clock there will be less distortion, and that was genuinely the case. My curse is that usually my favorite music is so poorly recorded that it does sound distorted on our system. The Clock can not make up for a bad recording, but the distortion was lessened to such a degree that the bad recordings actually sounded good. I found my entire listening experience to be much more enjoyable with the Clock in place. My primary goal when listening to music is to be transported away from the cares of everyday life, and into a place where I fully connect with the music. That goal was attained beautifully with the Clever Little Clock."
Wow-A device that actually cures bad recordings!

Excuse me while I go and change the fuses on my electric ab machine...