The Disease is Spreading

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Ravi

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« Reply #40 on: 2 Jun 2003, 04:40 am »
Dan, you hit the nail right on the head.  Recent "albums of the year" winners like "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" and now Norah Jones,  speak well of the future in music.  I believe one of the reasons people loved those CDs so much (including myself), was because they had little or no dynamic compression.  The music was great, especially on Oh Brother, but it was the purity, and noise free presentation that attracted so many music lovers.

I have a lot of non-audiophile friends, and even they appreciate great recordings.  They also hate badly recorded CDs, if not quite as much as us.  Even before I came into this hobby, the CDs that sounded the best were the ones that got the most playing time.

Now, the average Joe has Polk, Energy, PSB, or Paradigm speakers, and for the money they are fantastic.  They also bring out the ugliness of bad recordings.  So more and more people will stop buying crappy CDs, as their systems become more highrez,  as these speaker companies keep pushing what a budget speaker can do.

Paul

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« Reply #41 on: 2 Jun 2003, 10:33 am »
Quote from: nathanm

Wouldn't it be cool to have a big database of music where you could plug a certain album into a search engine and then you could see the waveform and the stats for that album?  Kind of a "this CD kinda sucks, let's check the stats" kinda thing.  Major project I know, but an inte ...


Thats a good idea. I had toyed with the concept of a 'submit your sample from a CD and redVU will automatically analyse it and give you a suckiness rating' kind of thing. I got quite far,  as far as calling the suckiness rating a 'cRED' score. ( "see red" ... cred .. well never mind ;-) )

Only hampered by copyright issues  ( I think unlike a CD sample, the waveform gifs are property of the person who takes the time to do them ) and my own lack of skill^H^H^H^time on the programming side.

Having said all that, the little bit I'm working on now which some of you have seen does have provision for the catalog number of the CD. So I may have that linked to Amazon / Somewhere.com in case someone wants to buy the examples of well engineered music. Kind of a positive incentive - get on the 'good list' and people might be interested enough to buy it.

Anyhow, my thanks to those who have sent analysis and website suggestions. All have been good. I'm spending a bit of time on it before 'opening for business' as a sucky site is not going to have any stickiness with a broader audience. The placeholder home page will remain while I sort it all out. Please continue to send me your ideas or submissions, and those beta testing please let me know your feedback, positive or negative. Please be aware the beta parts of the site may be down/broken/messed-with at no notice, but I do not expect to lose anyones submissions.

Paul

ps I'm not sure of the amazon thing. I will take pains to avoid any apparent or real 'huckstering' if I link anywhere. I dont want a commercial site. I will find out if its possible *not* to be an affiliate of Amazon and still link to them  :mrgreen:

thepogue

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this was an eye opener for me also....
« Reply #42 on: 2 Jun 2003, 01:03 pm »
i just didn't put 2 and 2 together....i thought that i was just getting to damed ole and music was just too much at times....(which still may be the case;) but save my Jazz CD's most of the newish Rock CD are just plain LOUD!!!!! and make no mistake 'bout it...i NEED me loud once in awhile.....but i need it mixed with a bit of dynamic flavor!! i think the pendulum will swing in the very near future and a wave of minimalistict music will be heading this way...
a very good read indeed.

Peace, Pogue

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« Reply #43 on: 2 Jun 2003, 01:31 pm »
I could have used some compression this weekend.  We were driving 2 hours for a wedding and I brought Norah Jones in the car.  (her cd that is).  It was hard to listen to at a volume that you could still talk to your wife with.  The quiet passages were too quiet.  When you turn it up then the louder passages were too loud.

Now I'm not saying to bring on compression, but I can see why it is done at least in this instance.  Maybe the compression should be on the playback unit which can be turned on or off.  Escpecially for car audio.

Tonto Yoder

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« Reply #44 on: 2 Jun 2003, 01:42 pm »
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Now I'm not saying to bring on compression, but I can see why it is done at least in this instance.  Maybe the compression should be on the playback unit which can be turned on or off.  Escpecially for car audio.


Agree about car audio and might add boomboxes---I listen to a CD boombox at work (sometimes noisy) so quiet passages probably couldn't be heard. It'd be best if the compression was in the playback unit as Max said--heck, for my purposes, the boombox might as well be mono as long as it had a good tonal balance.

Dan Banquer

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« Reply #45 on: 2 Jun 2003, 02:19 pm »
Given the high ambient noise in a car, I think some amount of compression could well help. User adjustable would be the best alternative. We have already witnessed what the recording business is fully capable of.