If Loreleis and B&W 804s were the same price...

ckunstadt · « **on:** 7 Mar 2006, 07:49 pm »

which would be best for most types of music?

with a Stratos amp
medium room
CDs and computer audio only (no TT)
will also be fronts in HT setup

I am familiar with the 804s and like them a lot. A local dealer has a good trade-up program so I can ease my way into them ($4000!)... but i don't love the 700 series B&Ws. I like the idea of something different like the Loreleis... I can't hear them though. Has anyone, other than one guy on Audioreview.com, compared these two speakers?
It would be nice to find less-biased opinions... but not many people have heard the Loreleis, so I'll ask you guys.
thank you for your opinions.

eric the red · « **Reply #1 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 08:51 pm »

Here's a pair of 804s for $2200.00. Even with shipping from Fiji I'll bet you could get them for under $2700.00.
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1146917731

buckeyefanandy · « **Reply #2 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:14 pm »

I find it interesteing that I have never once in the last 7 months seen a pair of used Lors come available on the used market. I have watched with my fingers crossed that some might come availavle, but never. And only a few occasion have the other Odyssey speakers gone for sale. I would guess this is because they have found happy homes where they have landed.

miklorsmith · « **Reply #3 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:31 pm »

Nothing against the Odysseys, but I would also postulate that there are very few pairs in existence. Statistically, you won't see too many for sale even if the occurance rate was high (which I doubt it is).

pixies · « **Reply #4 on:** 9 Mar 2006, 12:18 am »

I heard both. My decision was Lorelei and I use them the same as you intend: CD's and front for HT. No complains. A brief manufacturing comparation and you'd rather choose Lorelei against China pre-fab speakers. In the end the sound is the thing that is stunnig every time I play them. No matter what music or film is playing, no matter how complicated the music gets I am enjoying them from the first movement to the last. The B&W 804's value/money ratio is lower than Lorelei's.

ckunstadt · « **Reply #5 on:** 9 Mar 2006, 12:30 am »

Quote from: pixies

I heard both. My decision was Lorelei and I use them the same as you intend: CD's and front for HT. No complains. A brief manufacturing comparation and you'd rather choose Lorelei against China pre-fab speakers. In the end the sound is the thing that is stunnig every time I play them. No matter what music or film is playing, no matter how complicated the music gets I am enjoying them from the first movement to the last. The B&W 804's value/money ratio is lower than Lorelei's.

Thanks! I think that's what I wanted to hear. We'll see how taxes work out...

pixies · « **Reply #6 on:** 9 Mar 2006, 11:17 pm »

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Thanks! I think that's what I wanted to hear

My name is not Lorelei - and I do not sound like one!!!

ckunstadt · « **Reply #7 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 02:20 am »

but you typed it so pretty.

F-100 · « **Reply #8 on:** 10 Mar 2006, 05:59 pm »

Quote from: ckunstadt

which would be best for most types of music?

with a Stratos amp
medium room
CDs and computer audio only (no TT)
will also be fronts in HT setup

I am familiar with the 804s and like them a lot. A local dealer has a good trade-up program so I can ease my way into them ($4000!)... but i don't love the 700 series B&Ws. I like the idea of something different like the Loreleis... I can't hear them though. Has anyone, other than one guy on Audioreview.com, compared these two speakers?
It would be nice ...

I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to listen to both speakers but not in the same room and environment. I've always been a big fan of B&W, especially the look of their speakers but not the price. Last week, I got a chance to listen to the Lorelei for the first time at a fellow AC member's house (Peter59). Of course, his room is treated with acoustic treatment from 8thNerve, but Man oh Man!! the Lorelei sound so wonderful with a hughe soundstage. The treble is not harsh, the midrange is clear and very dynamic and the bass are firm and tight. Female Vocals are vivid and completely believeable. Sure, we all have our preferences but to my ear, the Lorelie can deliver the music that make you want spend more and more time with her.

In your case, I would go with the Lorelei since you already have the Stratos. There is something special about Lorelie when matting with Odyssey gears. Synergy!!! as Klaus usually refers to this relationship.

bunky · « **Reply #9 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 01:11 am »

Quote from: F-100

I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to listen to both speakers but not in the same room and environment. I've always been a big fan of B&W, especially the look of their speakers but not the price. Last week, I got a chance to listen to the Lorelei for the first time at a fellow AC member's house (Peter59). Of course, his room is treated with acoustic treatment from 8thNerve, but Man oh Man!! the Lorelei sound so wonderful with a hughe soundstage. The treble is not harsh, the midrange is clear and v ...

the Loreleis are very special loudspeakers and they were designed by Rolf Gemein of Symphonic line so they are obviously a ideal match when paired with Odyssey/ Symphonic Line gear. mine are not going anywhere!these babys are extremely musical and i can listen to them for hours on end without a hint of listening fatigue.

try a pair and if you dont feel that they are right in your system Klaus will gladly let you return them. thanks....WCW III

speedcenter · « **Reply #10 on:** 11 Mar 2006, 06:41 pm »

Chris - you're abandoning your headphone rig or this is for when you can really turn up the volume?

Peter

ckunstadt · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 Mar 2006, 02:10 am »

Quote from: speedcenter

Chris - you're abandoning your headphone rig or this is for when you can really turn up the volume?

Peter

Hey Peter!
Yeah, I took your advice (like a year later) and bought a Stratos (used). It's awesome but now I need to build a real stereo (speaker) system around it. I still listen to headphones everyday, but it gets a little boring sometimes. Plus, I've moved to Santa Fe where my friend is into mid-priced hi-fi as well. That makes it a little more fun too. The dac is still going strong though I'll admit to considering an AC powered dac for the speaker setup.
What have you been working on?

Chris

speedcenter · « **Reply #12 on:** 15 Mar 2006, 05:06 pm »

Quote from: ckunstadt

Hey Peter!

What have you been working on?

Chris

too much to list - am finishing up a new DAC (USB-I2S custom DDDAC mod), tube preamp completely eliminated, computer as the only source and volume control, room treatment, etc

The Odyssey amps are still in the system - keep up with everything I am throwing at them. I have so far resisted from modding them, although there's soon nothing else left in my system that I could tweak

Peter

lazydays · « **Reply #13 on:** 28 Mar 2006, 06:39 pm »

Quote from: pixies

I heard both. My decision was Lorelei and I use them the same as you intend: CD's and front for HT. No complains. A brief manufacturing comparation and you'd rather choose Lorelei against China pre-fab speakers. In the end the sound is the thing that is stunnig every time I play them. No matter what music or film is playing, no matter how complicated the music gets I am enjoying them from the first movement to the last. The B&W 804's value/money ratio is lower than Lorelei's.

The one thing I was watching for in this thread was a bass comment, as well as the upper midrange. How well do they do piano music? Female vocals? And of course just how transparent are the highs?
I bought Meadowlarks for the way they do acoustic jazz unmiced. In otherwords a bass with gutt strings and no pickups. The low notes of a tenor sax are also important, and if heard live are kinda strange in the way they sound. Somewhat raspy.
gary

byteme · « **Reply #14 on:** 28 Mar 2006, 07:12 pm »

The Lors are wonderful. I've not heard the 804's but I can tell you that the Lors shine in HT and obviously in music. The amount of bass derived from a 7" driver is amazing. Build quality is fantastic. They draw you in to the music and don't let you go. I like a wide variety of stuff but some of my favorites now are Ray Brown Trio and The Master Tapes - Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. Piano and stand up bass are amazing! Female vocals are equally as good. Very high "you are there" factor on these. Exceptionally musical speakers these are.

lazydays · « **Reply #15 on:** 5 May 2006, 03:50 pm »

Quote from: byteme

The Lors are wonderful. I've not heard the 804's but I can tell you that the Lors shine in HT and obviously in music. The amount of bass derived from a 7" driver is amazing. Build quality is fantastic. They draw you in to the music and don't let you go. I like a wide variety of stuff but some of my favorites now are Ray Brown Trio and The Master Tapes - Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. Piano and stand up bass are amazing! Female vocals are equally as good. Very high "you are there" factor on these. Exceptionally musical speakers these are.

I'd be interested in listening to the Lorelis via a turntable. As for Ray Brown, I've sat eight feet away from him more than one, so I think I have a good idea what his bass should sound like. Just as important to me is the left to right imaging from the speakers. In otherwords, can I pick out the exact location of each instrument? Can I tell when the alto player moves from the extreme left side of the stage to the center for his solo?
Will I be able to hear the squeaks and finger nails on the neck of that upright base?
Turn Tables Rule!!
gary

lazydays · « **Reply #16 on:** 5 May 2006, 03:50 pm »

Quote from: byteme

The Lors are wonderful. I've not heard the 804's but I can tell you that the Lors shine in HT and obviously in music. The amount of bass derived from a 7" driver is amazing. Build quality is fantastic. They draw you in to the music and don't let you go. I like a wide variety of stuff but some of my favorites now are Ray Brown Trio and The Master Tapes - Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. Piano and stand up bass are amazing! Female vocals are equally as good. Very high "you are there" factor on these. Exceptionally musical speakers these are.

I'd be interested in listening to the Lorelis via a turntable. As for Ray Brown, I've sat eight feet away from him more than one, so I think I have a good idea what his bass should sound like. Just as important to me is the left to right imaging from the speakers. In otherwords, can I pick out the exact location of each instrument? Can I tell when the alto player moves from the extreme left side of the stage to the center for his solo?
Will I be able to hear the squeaks and finger nails on the neck of that upright base?
Turn Tables Rule!!
gary

lazydays · « **Reply #17 on:** 5 May 2006, 03:51 pm »

Quote from: byteme

The Lors are wonderful. I've not heard the 804's but I can tell you that the Lors shine in HT and obviously in music. The amount of bass derived from a 7" driver is amazing. Build quality is fantastic. They draw you in to the music and don't let you go. I like a wide variety of stuff but some of my favorites now are Ray Brown Trio and The Master Tapes - Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. Piano and stand up bass are amazing! Female vocals are equally as good. Very high "you are there" factor on these. Exceptionally musical speakers these are.

I'd be interested in listening to the Lorelis via a turntable. As for Ray Brown, I've sat eight feet away from him more than one, so I think I have a good idea what his bass should sound like. Just as important to me is the left to right imaging from the speakers. In otherwords, can I pick out the exact location of each instrument? Can I tell when the alto player moves from the extreme left side of the stage to the center for his solo?
Will I be able to hear the squeaks and finger nails on the neck of that upright base?
Turn Tables Rule!!
gary

lazydays · « **Reply #18 on:** 5 May 2006, 03:52 pm »

Quote from: byteme

The Lors are wonderful. I've not heard the 804's but I can tell you that the Lors shine in HT and obviously in music. The amount of bass derived from a 7" driver is amazing. Build quality is fantastic. They draw you in to the music and don't let you go. I like a wide variety of stuff but some of my favorites now are Ray Brown Trio and The Master Tapes - Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington. Piano and stand up bass are amazing! Female vocals are equally as good. Very high "you are there" factor on these. Exceptionally musical speakers these are.

I'd be interested in listening to the Lorelis via a turntable. As for Ray Brown, I've sat eight feet away from him more than one, so I think I have a good idea what his bass should sound like. Just as important to me is the left to right imaging from the speakers. In otherwords, can I pick out the exact location of each instrument? Can I tell when the alto player moves from the extreme left side of the stage to the center for his solo?
Will I be able to hear the squeaks and finger nails on the neck of that upright base?
Turn Tables Rule!!
gary

daniloreyes · « **Reply #19 on:** 16 Jun 2010, 04:45 am »

I really like the 804's, I haven't listened the Loreliss. If anything you should search locally and listen to your known music.
It is custom to audition the equipment, even if used. Take your time and don't hesitate to ask for help.
Also local audiophile owners are willing to help by auditioning their setup.
This hobby is about improvement but also about showing off our gear