Negative Review of Nuforce Amplifier Ref 8

TNT · « **Reply #40 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 05:21 pm »

see http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=25308.msg233841#233841

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #41 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 05:26 pm »

Tranh / TNT, please make your company position known in your sign-off.

There are over 6000 registered members of Audio Circle, no doubt many more un-registered here, that cannot automatically know that you are nphysics CTO and President of Nuforce from referring to one posting among hundreds of thousands.

Thank you

kfr01 · « **Reply #42 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 05:36 pm »

By "sign-off" I'm sure TCG means signature.

skrivis · « **Reply #43 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 05:39 pm »

Quote from: art

"My amps emit EMI, but that's ok.
I make mean posts
About your amps
And all the other Class D.
Not that you know who I am
My business is history!"

"He's an EE and he's ok." Etc.

Sorry, guys.........an opening that big is hard to resist.

Apologies to the Python troupe, and anyone here without a sense of humor.

Pat

Very good.

You get the Laugh of the Day Award.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #44 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 05:45 pm »

Quote from: kfr01

By "sign-off" I'm sure TCG means signature.

Correct - signature would be more appropriate.

zybar · « **Reply #45 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 05:54 pm »

Quote from: miklorsmith

The Real World - AudioCircle!

We've got manufacturers posing as disinterested parties, reviewers that don't know that matching amps/speakers/components could affect performance, owners in deep distress, and a peanut gallery.

What could be better?

Well I just saved 20% on my auto insurance!

George

skrivis · « **Reply #46 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 07:41 pm »

Quote from: zybar

Quote from: miklorsmith
The Real World - AudioCircle!

We've got manufacturers posing as disinterested parties, reviewers that don't know that matching amps/speakers/components could affect performance, owners in deep distress, and a peanut gallery.

What could be better?

Well I just saved 20% on my auto insurance!

George

Was it through Progressive?

John Ashman · « **Reply #47 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 08:38 pm »

Quote from: SSassen

As firstly most of that is DIY, because there's no commercially available kit that'll satisfy me, and secondly the kit that I did not DIY has been modified so cannot be directly compared to the same products off-the-shelf..

Wouldn't that statement alone make you completely ineligible to be a reviewer for *anything*?!? Wow, talk about arrogance. Who *would* send you gear to review with that attitude?

skrivis · « **Reply #48 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 08:47 pm »

Quote from: John Ashman

Quote from: SSassen
As firstly most of that is DIY, because there's no commercially available kit that'll satisfy me, and secondly the kit that I did not DIY has been modified so cannot be directly compared to the same products off-the-shelf..

Wouldn't that statement alone make you completely ineligible to be a reviewer for *anything*?!? Wow, talk about arrogance. Who *would* send you gear to review with that attitude?

They send Harry Pearson gear to review. He's always seemed to be pretty arrogant. Genuflect in the direction of Seacliff, please.

zybar · « **Reply #49 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:01 pm »

Quote from: skrivis

Quote from: zybar
Quote from: miklorsmith
The Real World - AudioCircle!

We've got manufacturers posing as disinterested parties, reviewers that don't know that matching amps/speakers/components could affect performance, owners in deep distress, and a peanut gallery.

What could be better?

Well I just saved 20% on my auto insurance!

George

Was it through Progressive?

Nope.

Just move from NY to MA and save, save, save!

George

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #50 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:15 pm »

Yeah, I remember moving from NY to Virginia 12 years ago...my auto insurance dropped to $800 from $2200.00 yearly. And, my wife and I had several good drivers discounts applied, as well.

When I moved to DC, I think the rated nudged up to $1300.00 a couple years later.

NY auto insurance (I think NJ is the highest, tho) is costly madness.

Now back to our regularly scheduled (increasingly ugly) topic on Audio Central....

John Ashman · « **Reply #51 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:26 pm »

Quote from: skrivis

They send Harry Pearson gear to review. He's always seemed to be pretty arrogant. Genuflect in the direction of Seacliff, please.

Him too!!! Only Magnepan can send him gear safely!

Wind Chaser · « **Reply #52 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:45 pm »

Quote from: John Ashman

Quote from: SSassen
As firstly most of that is DIY, because there's no commercially available kit that'll satisfy me, and secondly the kit that I did not DIY has been modified so cannot be directly compared to the same products off-the-shelf..

Wouldn't that statement alone make you completely ineligible to be a reviewer for *anything*?!? Wow, talk about arrogance. Who *would* send you gear to review with that attitude?

That is exactly my point. AC is host a fine consortium of lesser known audio manufacturers. None of them deserve to be made sport by hacks from within or incompetent wannabe apprentices from without. In the case of the latter, I think flags should be posted, as they are far more dangerous. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with scrutinizing the self appointed gurus and calling a spade a spade. I doubt there is any maunfacture here on AC or on the outside that would argue that.

kfr01 · « **Reply #53 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:50 pm »

Quote from: Wind Chaser

That is exactly my point. AC is host a fine consortium of lesser known audio manufacturers. None of them deserve to be made sport by hacks from within or incompetent wannabe apprentices from without. In the case of the latter, I think flags should be posted, as they are far more dangerous. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with scrutinizing the self appointed gurus and calling a spade a spade. I doubt there is any maunfacture here on AC or on the outside that would argue that.

I agree that they don't deserve to be made "sport" of if the reviewer is being disingenuous.

However, when the reviewer is being genuine, I think that everyone, no matter how green, has every right to comment on any product in the marketplace.

It is up to the public readers to filter the fluff from the gold.

Kevin Haskins · « **Reply #54 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:52 pm »

I think I pay about $450 per YEAR for my old truck (liability only) but full coverage on the minivan.

skrivis · « **Reply #55 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 09:54 pm »

Quote from: Kevin Haskins

I think I pay about $450 per YEAR for my old truck (liability only) but full coverage on the minivan.

Hmmm.... insurance prices really _are_ cheap here in Ohio.

kenk · « **Reply #56 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 10:01 pm »

Quote from: Wind Chaser

That is exactly my point. AC is host a fine consortium of lesser known audio manufacturers. None of them deserve to be made sport by hacks from within or incompetent wannabe apprentices from without. In the case of the latter, I think flags should be posted, as they are far more dangerous. Moreover, there is nothing wrong with scrutinizing the self appointed gurus and calling a spade a spade. I doubt there is any maunfacture here on AC or on the outside that would argue that.

He might be green but he did bring up some interest points. Honestly I was looking to buy a used ref8 as the price seems reasonable but not now. The biggest problem I have with NuForce is that they knowingly sold bunch of those defective ref8 with RF problem.

Ken

SSassen · « **Reply #57 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 10:32 pm »

Oh, and I made the following post in the DIYaudio forums a while ago, I think it exactly expresses my sentiments regarding this.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=863707#post863707

As for the people that think I don't know how to properly match components in a system, rest assured I do. I've been building loudspeakers, amplifiers and just about everything else from scratch for the past 15-years and I also happen to have a MSEE, which does come in handy when wrapping your head around things.

So please, unless you can provide me with some valid arguments why I'm less qualified than any of the journalists that can't distinquish a transistor from an arse biscuit if it fell from their undies please refrain from uttering such nonsense comments.

And to further up the ante, when has a Audio Precision measurement system ever lied? I think Audio Precision would be making toasters or worse, fuse-boxes, if you could not rely on the data generated by their equipment.

Best regards,

Sander Sassen
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com

Wind Chaser · « **Reply #58 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 10:39 pm »

Quote from: kfr01

I agree that they don't deserve to be made "sport" of if the reviewer is being disingenuous.

However, when the reviewer is being genuine, I think that everyone, no matter how green, has every right to comment on any product in the marketplace.

It is up to the public readers to filter the fluff from the gold.

Is Sander genuine? The only reason he’s become an audio critic as of late is because he has been raked over the coals in his former area of expertise. Google search “Sander Sassen ATI” Hereis a link if you can’t be bothered…

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MTUwMjEsU2VwdGVtYmVyLDIwMDU=

There is a plethora of industry professionals who know Sandor as critic of computer hardware that would laugh at the mere mention of Sandor being genuine. [/b]

SSassen · « **Reply #59 on:** 7 Mar 2006, 10:47 pm »

Wind Chaser,

If you start quoting that, I think you should also quote the other side of the story, which puts things back into perspective. And what's with the personal attacks? Can't attack the problem hence attack the person, that's soo childish, I'm quessing you can't formulate any proper arguments about our findings which makes you resort to such tactics?

Slander Sander? A reply to ATI
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/columns/article/1814/

In the above mentioned article you'll read my rebuttal to ATI's claims in which I expose them for trying to discredit me with lies and false claims. If you do not want to take the effort of reading through that you really have no right posting here, attacking me, as then it is you that clearly has a bias.

Best regards,

Sander Sassen
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com