GB300D Kit Build

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mgalusha

GB300D Kit Build
« on: 24 Feb 2006, 04:52 am »
I received my GB300D ("Simple Killer Amplifier") kit yesterday and will post as I get them assembled and running.

To start with, the boards look nicely laid out and of high quality. All parts were packaged in small ziplock style bags, 1 bag for all parts and 1 bag for the transistors per channel.

Greg sent the assembly instructions via email and they appear to be quite straight forward. I do have one complaint thus far in that all of the component values are in one paragraph only separated by semi colons. This makes it much more difficult to read than if each value is listed on a separate line. It's a small matter to reformat this to one's liking but IMO it would be nice if this was already done.

A shot of the kit: (pardon the flash glare, I didn't have enough light to shoot it without the flash)


More to follow in the next few days.

I know other AC members are building these as well, so hopefully they will offer some comments. By no means is this thread tied to my kit build. :)

Mike

KLe

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« Reply #1 on: 24 Feb 2006, 12:04 pm »
Hi mgalusha
A friend listened to my GB300D based system, on Wednesday (< 12 hours of run in), and I asked him to write for me summary of his listening experience. This was his experience ...  :roll:

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I'd be happy to summarize my listening experience at your home this past Wednesday.
 
A brief recap.
 
The system in general performed at a very high level, and seemed to get sweeter and smoother as the afternoon wore on.  What I heard was a very relaxed, effortless, and lifelike musical presentation.  It was engaging and thoroughly enjoyable. The stage was wide and deep, and retrieval and resolution of micro detail was excellent.  Most important to me, was the obvious coherence.  Time related linearity bettered some of the obscenely expensive systems I have heard.
 
The interconnects were a major component in the chain.  Changing them out made a huge difference, which also attests to the ability of the loudspeakers to reveal these subtle--or not so subtle shadings.
 
Hope this proves helpful.
Randall  


mine to come
rgds  :o

KLe

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« Reply #2 on: 24 Feb 2006, 12:06 pm »
Hi mgalusha
I have built Greg's GB300D, his 300W amp modules. I am running them at 200W/8ohms, 400W/4ohms (+/-63VDC rails).

I am asked Greg for some tweaks and he suggested the following
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R) important Resistor's for substitution are R4 (1W is good) , R14, R3, R2.
C) important Capacitor's are C19, C3, and C1 if you choose to fit a DC blocking capacitor.


Hope this is helpful and all tweaks (that work) are welcome
:beer:
KL

mgalusha

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #3 on: 24 Feb 2006, 02:42 pm »
KL

Thanks for the info. I'll probably build them with all the original parts to get a good handle on the sound before I do anything tweaky to it. Hopefully I can get started on the boards tonight and drill the heatsinks tomorrow.

Mike

Folsom

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #4 on: 24 Feb 2006, 03:18 pm »
You sure, I see some Xicon's that could easily be swapped for some FC's or BG in the signal area.  :mrgreen:

mgalusha

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #5 on: 24 Feb 2006, 05:02 pm »
Quote from: Destroyer of Smiles.
You sure, I see some Xicon's that could easily be swapped for some FC's or BG in the signal area.  :mrgreen:


It will be hard to resist, especially as I tend to keep some around for tweaking... Fortunately there are no 'lytics directly in the signal path, so it's not as tempting to mess with things. 'Course you never know, I might break down and succumb to the temptation to mess about. :)

BradJudy

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #6 on: 27 Feb 2006, 02:19 am »
Looking forward to seeing how this goes, Mike.  Good luck.

JoshK

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #7 on: 27 Feb 2006, 02:34 am »
In my case, I have a bunch of Nichicon Fine Gold caps that are the same  values as most of the 'lytics in the kit.  It will be hard not to solder those in instead.

mgalusha

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #8 on: 27 Feb 2006, 02:56 am »
It turns out I don't have any botique caps on hand that will work, so that temptation has been removed but looking at the schematic and KL's post about the resistors I did use some Vishay RN series on the input and feedback positions as I had them on hand. They seem to be very quiet from my previous experiece with them, so I figured those were two of the most logical places to put them.

I have one of the boards done. I was hoping to get them completed this weekend and get started on the heat sinks but too many things popped up.

BTW, if anyone is interested I have a PDF file with a grid laid out for drilling the heatsinks. This should make drilling them accurately much easier. It prints out to the correct physical dimensions, at least on my printer, and the grid lines match up with the center pins of each output transistor. If anyone would like a copy right click on this link and choose save as. It's not pretty but is functional.

Mke

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« Reply #9 on: 3 Mar 2006, 12:26 am »
Hi All
Another friend listened to my GB300D based system, on Sunday (now about 30 hours of run in), and I asked him to write a summary of his listening experience. This was his experience ... :D

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Dear KL
 
Firstly, let me thank you for introducing me to the GB300D.  I had only read about it in the various audio forums and was very interested to hear it for myself.   The following is taken from notes I made whilst auditioning the amplifier at your place, I was also able to compare this to the notes I had made at other listening sessions we had had with your previous (and highly regarded) amp.
 
My first impression was of an incredible smoothness to the music, certainly the best I have heard to date.  The next impression was the total abscence of any sense of  speaker location.  When doing a critical listening session I always do so with my eyes closed in order to focus better on the music and these two features positively lept out at me immediately.
 
At first I thought the soundstaging was a little narrow, then another CD was played and the soundstage was well beyond the width of the speakers and had futher depth as well. This amp really shows up any flaws in the recording as you can clearly hear if the recording engineer has done his/her job properly.  Dynamics were sensational as well, but yet again, the quality of the redording is paramount to getting the best dynamics. People who get this amp will certianly be searching for audiophile quality CD's as there is the quality there to show up whatever signal the amp is fed.
 
Now onto the various levels of the musical spectum.  Bass was clean and clear, definitely not a one note bass amp, this one.  It was very easy to discern the bass was played on either an electric or accoustic guitar.  Mid range was exceptionally smooth and all the instruments played within this range were there right in front of you.  Treble was also very good but perhaps not as prominent as your previous amp.
 
One feature I always look for is the quality of reproduction of the piano as this is the instrument I play.  I can report that the GB300D has the honour of being the best I have heard to date.  Prior to taking up playing the piano I had always found the reproduced piano music lacked a lot and it was only on hearing it played live that I found what rich harmonics this instrument has.  As you would know the piano is a large instrument and this is because it has a large sound board in order to produce it's beautiful tones and harmonics, I am pleased to say that the GB300D is easily the best I have come across, well above all previous amps.
 
Lastly, I had an unusual experience during the latter part of the listening session, as mentioned before, I had my eyes closed whilst listening and at some stage I started visualising the group in front of me.  I know critics have written of this before but it was my first experience of this and I found it quite startling to have this happen to me.
 
All in all an exceptional amplifier.
 
best regards
Ian    


mine still to come
:beer:

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« Reply #10 on: 3 Mar 2006, 07:17 am »
Hi mgalusha
Over on DIYaudio the guys have been discussing components and ...
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ShinOBIWAN, just ordered the following caps for his GB300D's: C4, C8, C19, C9 and C5 with Blackgate N 10uf 50v; 8 x Blackgate 100uf 100v for the bootstrap caps; For C3 I was thinking of something like a silver mica or tantalum?

The BG's should be very nice tweaks indeed, and, I think that C3 should be a silver mica. I have this feeling that C19 should be twice the size, ie. approx 100uF, or even larger. The reason for this is electrolytic distortion. I can't remember the complete reason for this distortion, without doing some reading/researching.  What do you think :?:

Also, I think that you should replace R2 with a very nice resistor. :D

rgds
KL

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« Reply #11 on: 6 Mar 2006, 06:35 am »
Hi mgalusha
To let you know that it is not a problem to reduce C2. Greg quoted the following in a post on another site ...
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C2 and R2, the 1nF (1000pF) and input 1K resistor, set an input filter response of -3dB at 160KHz. C2 cannot be removed, as it's necessary for input stage bandwidth and stability. It can be reduced to 680pF for a 250KHz bandwidth or even as low as 100pF.  

The standard values result in a 20KHz rolloff of < 0.1dB and < 3 degrees of phase non-linearity, which should be inaudible.

:beer:

mgalusha

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #12 on: 6 Mar 2006, 08:20 pm »
Thanks KL, I'll keep that in mind. Thus far the only things I changed were R2 and R14 as I had some nice Vishay on hand and they've proven very queit in other projects.

mike

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GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #13 on: 6 Mar 2006, 11:49 pm »
Hi Mike,

Tht's fine R17->24 are all Vishays std.  As an indication the smaller amplifier (GB150D)  is very quiet and has been measured -110dB re 1W/8ohm by a US owner who also reviewed it -

"I have finally installed the GB150D in my system. For reference, I have listened to a large number of amps through the years and a number of them would make me happy (many would not) as their differences are, for me, subtle and the impact of my listening room and speakers are a much larger effect.

In one word, the GB150D is, for me, precise. Imaging is excellent with instruments well placed and stable, i.e. precise. As ShinOBIWAN pointed out, instrument sizes are natural and not out of proportion. The precise characterization carries over to attack and decay of sounds as well. As others have noted the dynamics are superb. One thing I particularly enjoyed is the amps ability to reveal subtle detail in very dynamic passages. I am particularly fond of Beethovens Ninth, and there is a lot of subltle detail in the highly dynamic 4th movement that you may not be aware of if you have not heard a live performance. I use the word precise in the sense of being correct, with little error, not to imply clinical or sterile.

I am not too good at assigning words to what I hear, so I will sum it up by saying the sound is Precise and Correct to my ear. Do not know what those words will mean to you, but they mean to me that I like the GB150D.

Bill"

Cheers,
greg

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« Reply #14 on: 8 Mar 2006, 04:32 am »
And here's Bill's (a physicist from Minnesota) FFT result on his built GB150D using his HP339A and  soundcard based analysis all with residual some 20dB below -

http://www.audiocircle.com/image.php?id=6462

My intention with this simple topology was not to have vanishingly low THD, but below audibility low order harmonics disappearing with higher orders into the (very low) noise. Was it Walt Jung who said a good amplifier has a low noise floor. < 110dBA re 1W/8ohm works for me.

Thanks Bill. :mrgreen:

Cheers,
Greg

mgalusha

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #15 on: 12 Mar 2006, 12:52 am »
The boards are finally done! Yea! :bounce:

Thought I would never have the time to sit down and get these finished. Hopefully the rest won't take long. Just have to drill & tap the heatsinks, mount the boards and wire it up as the power supplies in the donor chassis are useable as is. Nice to actually have a weeked where I'm not working. :)

amplifierguru

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« Reply #16 on: 12 Mar 2006, 09:59 pm »
Hi Mike,

That's good progress.

I'm not providing any help. Let's see how easy it is.

Ha, a weekend off for me is one NOT building amps :D , but mowing the lawn, fixing things around the house,..... did get a body surf in sunday morning!

cheers,
greg

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« Reply #17 on: 13 Mar 2006, 07:48 pm »
Quote from: amplifierguru
Hi Mike,

That's good progress.

I'm not providing any help. Let's see how easy it is.

Ha, a weekend off for me is one NOT building amps :D , but mowing the lawn, fixing things around the house,..... did get a body surf in sunday morning!

cheers,
greg


Your lawn is so overgrown you can body surf on it? :)

amplifierguru

GB300D Kit Build
« Reply #18 on: 13 Mar 2006, 09:37 pm »
Hi skrivis,

No - I live 10minutes drive from a surf beach. And I could never allow the lawn to grow - grass seed wreaks havoc with the wife's hay fever! Keeping nature back isn't one of my favourite pastimes, just a chore.

Back to amps.

cheers,
greg

KLe

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« Reply #19 on: 23 Mar 2006, 09:56 am »
Hi all

Thought that you might like this image :mrgreen:  http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=875976#post875976
This amp was a Metaxas Solitare, but, now it's a Metaxas GB300D

mgalusha, just wondering how your GB300D is going :?:
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