Any news on the NEW line array??????

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Any news on the NEW line array??????
« on: 5 Jan 2006, 12:06 am »
Danny whats the ETA on the new Line Arrays?  Thanks, ,Guy

Danny Richie

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« Reply #1 on: 6 Jan 2006, 02:22 pm »
They hit the number and finally implemented the XBL^ on the woofer. I am awaiting the samples for final approval then all the drivers go into production. We are getting close now.

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« Reply #2 on: 15 Jan 2006, 03:04 am »
Danny,

Your response about the ETA on the line arrays borders on sounding like a politician.   :wink:

Let me try it this way...

Reporter asks, "Mr. President, when will the new line array kits be ready for shipment."

The President answers, "They hit the number and finally implemented the XBL^ on the woofer. I am awaiting the samples for final approval then all the drivers go into production. We are getting close now."

The reporter asks, "Sir, is "close", next Monday or next month?"

The President answers, "[Input answer here]"

The reporter asks, "Mr. President, what about the matching center channel?  I have heard from reliable sources that folks are not interested in the line arrays without a matching center channel."

The President answers, "[Input answer here]"

The reporter asks, "Mr. President, I realize it is a busy time for you, but is it possible to move up the priority of the center channel?"

The President answers, "[Input answer here]"

The reporter closes with, "Mr. President, thank you for your time, we now return you to CNN/Fox (depending on your political leaning) news."

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« Reply #3 on: 15 Jan 2006, 04:56 am »
Well, Danny's from Texas, so if he's going to be President, just one thing:


It's not pronounced "Nu-Cue-ler."

Danny Richie

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« Reply #4 on: 15 Jan 2006, 03:12 pm »
Well, I have passed on info when I had something new to report, like in this thread here:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=23797

Development of the new drivers and the woofers in particular have taken much longer than I would have liked. I wish more were in my control.

I can just image the looks on their faces when they first looked over the motor structure drawings of the XBL^ motor. From their responses it was obvious that they were seeing something that they had never seen before and had never thought of. You want us to make this? Multiple field gaps? How do we machine this? Copper faraday rings between the dual gaps and below the pole piece?  :?

They were supposed to air mail me the samples and have them arrive here right after Christmas. They were to send the new line source woofers and a pair of the new M-130's with XBL^ together. The line source woofers looked perfect. The M-130 woofers looked good but still did not hit the Qts and Fs figures as per my specifications. So they scrambled to knock out another pair of M-130's with changes to the compliance to hit the target figures on them. Then they had to stop everything and head to the US for the CES... I still await the samples.

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The reporter asks, "Sir, is "close", next Monday or next month?"


A lot closer than we were 6 months ago when they were not sure if they could produce this XBL^ motor structure properly.

I get the samples here for approval, I approve them, and they begin production on 1000 units to start out with. If all of this goes quickly I can expect drivers here by the end of February. It is more likely that it will be mid March.

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The reporter asks, "Mr. President, what about the matching center channel? I have heard from reliable sources that folks are not interested in the line arrays without a matching center channel."


Using the same woofers and possibly Neo 3's I will create a matching center channel. It might even use Neo 8's and a Neo 3.

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The reporter asks, "Mr. President, I realize it is a busy time for you, but is it possible to move up the priority of the center channel?"


The LS-6 and LS-9 will be completed first. My customers and I have waited for them long enough. The center channel will soon follow.

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« Reply #5 on: 15 Jan 2006, 06:55 pm »
Thanks for the detailed response Mr. President.  Appreciate the update.  

The problem I have right now, is that I have squirreled away enough for speakers and the money is burning a hole in my pocket.  

Thanks again for the info.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #6 on: 15 Jan 2006, 07:00 pm »
Would you like for the President to hold that for you in the presidential vault until such time that which product becomes available?  :wink:

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« Reply #7 on: 15 Jan 2006, 07:08 pm »
Danny,

Will you be providing any distortion measurements for the new woofers?  Do you concern yourself with these type of tests that are ever so popular now?

Thanks

Danny Richie

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« Reply #8 on: 15 Jan 2006, 07:59 pm »
This is a very low distortion design. I will be very interested to see the measured distortion responses.

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« Reply #9 on: 15 Jan 2006, 08:17 pm »
Danny,

With the line arrays in the works, will the smaller version of ur open baffle speakers come out anytime soon or will the line arrays take precedence?

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« Reply #10 on: 15 Jan 2006, 09:25 pm »
Danny (or anyone knowledgeable)...

Please desribe the theoretical benefits and drawbacks of the ported WWMTMWW open baffle vs the ported LS9, and the ported MTMWW open baffle vs the ported LS6 (providing the W's on the open baffle speakers have XBL M-130s once available). Given that  my room is 20' x 16' x 9', a 96" screen will be midroom on one of the long walls and a couch will be opposite the screen and 3' from the rear wall, what speakers would work best? I'll start with a 5.1 system and most likely end up 7.1. For the sake of simplicity, assume the only furniture in the room will be the couch, the screen, a wall mounted projector and an equipment rack flush with the wall. Please keep in mind room loading and the fact that the front of the L, C and R speakers will be about 30" from the front wall, the L and R speakers will be 9-10' apart (center to center), and a string between the center of the R and L speakers and the listening position will be about 11' long.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #11 on: 15 Jan 2006, 10:14 pm »
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Would you like for the President to hold that for you in the presidential vault until such time that which product becomes available?


Let's see if we can get Congress to appropriate funds...  :lol:

Did you post the dimensions for the LS6 and 9 enclosures?  I was thinking about modelling one up and try the curved side on one.

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« Reply #12 on: 15 Jan 2006, 11:16 pm »
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With the line arrays in the works, will the smaller version of ur open baffle speakers come out anytime soon or will the line arrays take precedence?


The smaller open baffle model will be ready before the line source woofers can even arrive.

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Please desribe the theoretical benefits and drawbacks of the ported WWMTMWW open baffle vs the ported LS9, and the ported MTMWW open baffle vs the ported LS6 (providing the W's on the open baffle speakers have XBL M-130s once available). Given that my room is 20' x 16' x 9', a 96" screen will be midroom on one of the long walls and a couch will be opposite the screen and 3' from the rear wall, what speakers would work best? I'll start with a 5.1 system and most likely end up 7.1. For the sake of simplicity, assume the only furniture in the room will be the couch, the screen, a wall mounted projector and an equipment rack flush with the wall. Please keep in mind room loading and the fact that the front of the L, C and R speakers will be about 30" from the front wall, the L and R speakers will be 9-10' apart (center to center), and a string between the center of the R and L speakers and the listening position will be about 11' long.


First off I will mention that the larger WWMTMWW with the side loaded powered sub has been changed slightly since the first model. The woofers (the upper and lower "WW") are no longer in a ported enclosure. They are now sealed.

There were two main factors that influenced this change. One, with the side loaded sub handling the bottom end, there was really no reason to require the woofers to play down so low. Secondly, in some smaller rooms, like the one used at the RMAF, the ported woofers loaded the room slightly. At the RMAF we got a better room response when we plugged the ports with foam. Plus, having sealed woofers allows for closer rear wall placement and less room gain.

The woofers in the open baffle design are our M-130's and they are 5.25" woofers. The woofers use in the new LS-6 and LS-9 are 6.5" woofers.

Distortion will be much lower with the line sources. High output levels can be hit with easy and power handling is very high. There is nothing like hearing the snap of a large bass drum through a speaker using a lot of small drivers. There is a quick snap of the drum with very little cone travel even at high SPL's. So it plays it and stops immediately. It is clean like you can't imagine, or maybe you can. It is like that of a real drum. The only decay is that of the real instrument and what was picked up by the mic. There is no added decay of the woofer used to recreate it.

Both the LS-6 and LS-9 should -3db in the mid 20's.

Your room may be wide but your listening area is small. 11' away is really a little close for LS-9's. LS-6's would be a better bet if you wanted to go line sources.

Not counting the added height of bases or floor spikes LS-6's are 5' 8" tall. The LS-9's are 6' and 8.875" tall. A layout of the front baffle (to scale) is here: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=21017

The strength of the open baffle models is the midrange. The clean, open sound of vocals in these speakers is incredible. They are really good in all other areas too. These speakers are a joy to listen to for moderate listening levels. Aside from the line sources, these have been my favorite speakers of all that I have designed or worked on.

For your sized room (klh) they will be fine. There is even a WMTMW side laying, open baffle, matching center channel, wall mounted surrounds (like the A/V-1RS) and smaller versions like the A/V-1 too. You can't go wrong with them at all.

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« Reply #13 on: 16 Jan 2006, 12:20 am »
Ahhh, why'd you have to go an post such tastey info on those LS line sources for, I was just about to pull the trigger on the open baffle designs you sent me.  Seems some other projects might have to take priority, so now i'd be able to wait for the new designs.  Now back to the decision drawing board.

Any ideas on what cabinet construction plans for the line sources will look like?  The open baffle designs were well within my capabilities (though veneering may have gotten tricky) and want to make sure the line sources are as well.  Any similarities (looking for approximations here, not actual dimensions) to your prior alpha line sources?  If so, are those plans anywhere to be had for a quick peek?

Thanks again for answering all my quesitons
Michael.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #14 on: 16 Jan 2006, 02:49 am »
The line sources will be a big rectangular box with a lot of braces and a lot of driver holes to cut. Nothing really hard, just big and heavy.

External measurements are as follows:

The LS-6 will be 68" high by 12.375" wide by 16.5" deep.

The LS-9 will be 80.875" high by 12.375" wide by 20.5" deep.

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« Reply #15 on: 16 Jan 2006, 04:22 am »
Danny,

  I have a question about the line arrays.  Why do they have to be built as closed boxes?  I see that you have made what sounds like a killer open baffle speaker for one of your latest speakers and it sounds like that you were quite pleased with the results, as were others.

  Would you lose effeciency without the cabinets?  I am in McKinney, Texas myself and was wondering if you allow customers to come to your place of business and listen to your products?

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« Reply #16 on: 16 Jan 2006, 04:02 pm »
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I have a question about the line arrays. Why do they have to be built as closed boxes?


Actually both models on the drawing board are in ported boxes.

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I see that you have made what sounds like a killer open baffle speaker for one of your latest speakers and it sounds like that you were quite pleased with the results, as were others.


Just give me some time and I'll have an open baffle line source out there too. I have one in the plans. Much to do first though.

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Would you lose effeciency without the cabinets?


As you go lower in frequency range, the dipole design does give up SPL.

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I am in McKinney, Texas myself and was wondering if you allow customers to come to your place of business and listen to your products?


Sure, come on up. I have people over all the time. This past weekend was a couple from Austin. Just call or e-mail to set up a time.

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« Reply #17 on: 16 Jan 2006, 04:25 pm »
Danny,

Do you have a cut list and/or dimension layout for the LS6 and LS9 yet?  I'd like to start while waiting for the parts to come in.

Thanks,

Kelly

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« Reply #18 on: 16 Jan 2006, 07:10 pm »
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Just give me some time and I'll have an open baffle line source out there too. I have one in the plans.

Darn!  Just as I was about to make a decision, Danny posts this.   An Open Baffle Line Source design is what I'm ultimately interested in.  Okay, I'm giving my rosewood A/V-3's to my daughter as her requested wedding present in July.  Danny, will you have the OBLS designed this Summer?

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« Reply #19 on: 16 Jan 2006, 07:22 pm »
I would second Hank on the desire to have the new OBSL, but have previously taken a vow of patience and silence...... perhaps I could express myself through non-verbals :bounce:  :bounce:  :bounce:  :bounce: