Speaker Design - Why I've gone from fullrange to minimonitor

Mad DOg · « **Reply #60 on:** 7 May 2003, 04:56 am »

Quote from: Sotantar

...I have never heard anything sound poor on them yet. If your ever in the Los Angeles area, you are welcome to check them out. Peace

Sotantar,

I'm sorry I haven't had time to take you up on your offer! I am still very interested in hearing your Druids...just haven't had time! Thanks!

MD

doug s. · « **Reply #61 on:** 7 May 2003, 11:02 am »

sotantar, thanks for the offer, but i'm in maryland - mite be a bit far for an audition!

so, you think they don't have as much punch as proac 2's, & audiojerry thinks they have more punch than proac 2.5's... audio is great!

regards,

doug s.

Danny Richie · « **Reply #62 on:** 7 May 2003, 02:35 pm »

Since you seem to be discussing it so much, I thought I would let you know that I will be taking a new look at the network in the Criterion real soon.

Since I was able to cross the ribbon in the Diluceo at 2.5kHz without any problems I am going to do the same with the Criterion.

The Criterion is crossing the woofer and tweeter at 3.4kHz so a lot of that detail some of you are searching for is being covered by the woofer.

Comparing the two the Diluceo is really kicking its tail in that range. I think the drivers are blending better there too.

I was a little gun shy at first to let the ribbon in the Criterion play down too low because of the 85db sensitivity of that speaker I was concerned it would see some heavy power loads to get the high SPL's it may sometimes be called on to produce. Then again the tweeter is padded down pretty hard. For every 100 watt peak the speaker sees the tweeter only gets a 9 watt peak.

So I will pull it down and will see what it will do.

Don't you just love it when things just get better and better? Thanks for the great feedback guys.

audiojerry · « **Reply #63 on:** 7 May 2003, 02:36 pm »

Quote from: doug s.

sotantar, thanks for the offer, but i'm in maryland - mite be a bit far for an audition! so, you think they don't have as much punch as proac 2's, & audiojerry thinks they have more punch than proac 2.5's... audio is great!

I believe I remember reading that the Druids can produce 113+ db spl.
Try playing the ProAc 2's or any ProAc at that level. Try playing them at anthing +100db with a Blue Man Group cd or some similar recording with heavy emphasis on drums. Then try getting the blown up ProAc's repaired under warranty...

John Casler · « **Reply #64 on:** 7 May 2003, 02:49 pm »

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Sotantar,

I'm sorry I haven't had time to take you up on your offer! I am still very interested in hearing your Druids...just haven't had time! Thanks!

MD

Hi Sotantar,

Count me in. I'm in LA and this is one of the few speakers I haven't heard. It is in the same list price category ($5000) as the RM40 FST, so I would like to hear them.

Maybe when MD finds time, I'll pop in too.

And you are also welcome to come by and hear the RM40s TRTs (and I'll have some 626R FSTs in less than a week)

Sotantar · « **Reply #65 on:** 7 May 2003, 03:32 pm »

Mad Dog; Anytime you have time, the offer still stands, (I realize playing for the L.A. Lakers must be consuming much of you time right about now!!!)

Doug S; Well, when I think of punch, I usually refer to how hard the bass drum punches you in the chest. The Response Two's driver brought out that characteristic quite well. The 2.5 has that carbon fiber driver, it may have a different character. The speakers look really cool as well. I cant imagine you returning them after auditioning them, if you decide to.

John; You could come by and check them out. You don't have to wait for Mad Dog either. Drop me a pm or email and we could set it up. I know of a couple of people who have Trt'd Rm 40's in this area. One of them is listening to them through the Ear digital amp.

The Criterions look really great

Sotantar · « **Reply #66 on:** 7 May 2003, 03:46 pm »

BTW, Sorry for dragging this thread away from the women and back to audio again. I just thought audio was the means to the end. I just feel that when we get our audio systems perfected, the women will be so impressed they will just flock to us. Isn't that what it's all about?

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #67 on:** 7 May 2003, 05:18 pm »

Quote from: Sotantar

BTW, Sorry for dragging this thread away from the women and back to audio again. I just thought audio was the means to the end. I just feel that when we get our audio systems perfected, the women will be so impressed they will just flock to us. Isn't that what it's all about?

No that's not it.

One must have "girl music": Air Supply, the guy that dresses in pink and has flamingos in his record covers (I forgot his name--Christopher Cross?), etc. Even if you don't like it, you must have a wide selection of "girl music"...

Sa-dono · « **Reply #68 on:** 7 May 2003, 05:54 pm »

Quote from: Sotantar

John; You could come by and check them out. You don't have to wait for Mad Dog either. Drop me a pm or email and we could set it up. I know of a couple of people who have Trt'd Rm 40's in this area. One of them is listening to them through the Ear digital amp.

John...if you do take up Sotantar's offer and go before MD has time, how about waiting until the 626R's are broken-in so we can A/B them

Sa-dono · « **Reply #69 on:** 7 May 2003, 05:56 pm »

Quote from: Psychicanimal

Quote from: Sotantar
BTW, Sorry for dragging this thread away from the women and back to audio again. I just thought audio was the means to the end. I just feel that when we get our audio systems perfected, the women will be so impressed they will just flock to us. Isn't that what it's all about?

No that's not it.

One must have "girl music": Air Supply, the guy that dresses in pink and has flamingos in his record covers (I forgot his name--Christopher Cross?), etc. Even if you don't like it, you must have a wide selection of "girl music"...

Bah..forget the girly music.

You gurly men can listen to that! You have to bring out the pimp music for the girls

audiojerry · « **Reply #70 on:** 7 May 2003, 05:58 pm »

If it ever comes about, I'd love to have you L.A. boys report your impressions of the Druid / RM40 comparison. They are such radically different approaches to speaker design.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #71 on:** 7 May 2003, 06:01 pm »

Quote from: Sa-dono

Quote from: Psychicanimal
Quote from: Sotantar
BTW, Sorry for dragging this thread away from the women and back to audio again. I just thought audio was the means to the end. I just feel that when we get our audio systems perfected, the women will be so impressed they will just flock to us. Isn't that what it's all about?

No that's not it.

One must have "girl music": Air Supply, the guy that dresses in pink and has flamingos in his record covers (I forgot his name--Christopher Cross?), etc. Even if you don't like it, you must have a wide selection of "girl music"...

Bah..forget the girly music. You gurly men can listen to that! You have to bring out the pimp music for the girls

Well, the next step is erotic stuff like Gato Barbieri or the Pachelbel Cannon--they have to be in a horizontal position already!!!

John Casler · « **Reply #72 on:** 8 May 2003, 03:00 am »

Quote from:

"Sa-dono
John...if you do take up Sotantar's offer and go before MD has time, how about waiting until the 626R's are broken-in so we can A/B them

I might get them as early as tomorrow

Will keep you posted.

John Casler · « **Reply #73 on:** 8 May 2003, 03:07 am »

Quote from: audiojerry

If it ever comes about, I'd love to have you L.A. boys report your impressions of the Druid / RM40 comparison. They are such radically different approaches to speaker design.

I can pretty much guarantee that it will not be in the same room at the same time.

At least the RM40s won't be leaving my place anytime soon unless someone want to buy them (they are for sale).

How much do the Druids weigh anyhow? The RM40s are 240# each.

We might be able to get away with the same CDP/Pre/AMP/ and software.

Most likely it will be same cuts, but different rooms and systems.

Sa-dono · « **Reply #74 on:** 8 May 2003, 03:22 am »

Quote from: John Casler

I might get them as early as tomorrow

Will keep you posted.

Sweet!

Quote from: John Casler

Quote from: audiojerry
If it ever comes about, I'd love to have you L.A. boys report your impressions of the Druid / RM40 comparison. They are such radically different approaches to speaker design.

I can pretty much guarantee that it will not be in the same room at the same time.

At least the RM40s won't be leaving my place anytime soon unless someone want to buy them (they are for sale).

How much do the Druids weigh anyhow? The RM40s are 240# each.

We might be able to get away with the same CDP/Pre/AMP/ and software.

Most likely it will be same cuts, but different rooms and systems.

That's why I figured we can A/B the 626R's with the Druids and RM40's. That's probably as close as we can get it unless Sotantar wants to try and drag the Druids to your place. Even then, we still wouldn't be able to get a direct A/B .........A/B comparison with those big 'ol honkin RM40's

Sotantar · « **Reply #75 on:** 8 May 2003, 04:12 am »

Audiojerry; What I meant by the punch thing was, at "normal volumes", there is not as much punch in the Druid's as there is in the Proac's. The Druids have the same sound at any level basically.

As far as getting together and listening. I would rather NOT move the Druids because they are kind of long and the whole glossy paint thing.

It would be fine if you could bring your associated gear that you are familiar with and the 626's would be great as well, as they are relatively easy to move around.

I live in the Park Labrea Complex, Fairfax district.

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #76 on:** 8 May 2003, 04:25 am »

Where's the beef?

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This one looks like you could take her to mother's house:

http://www.sotb.com/bio_r345.html

Young is young!

http://www.sotb.com/c_bio_d103.html

JohnR · « **Reply #77 on:** 8 May 2003, 05:10 am »

"Add Her To Cart"?!!

Val · « **Reply #78 on:** 8 May 2003, 01:11 pm »

Quote from: Danny

Since I was able to cross the ribbon in the Diluceo at 2.5kHz without any problems I am going to do the same with the Criterion.

I was a little gun shy at first to let the ribbon in the Criterion play down too low because of the 85db sensitivity of that speaker I was concerned it would see some heavy power loads to get the high SPL's it may sometimes be called on to produce. Then again the tweeter is padded down pretty hard. For every 100 watt peak the speaker sees the tweeter only gets a 9 watt peak.

I agree with you 100%, it should improve the speaker and let it compete better with the Diluceo. One of the keys to enjoying a speaker is to know its limits. Without having listened to either one, I tend to prefer the Criterion for listening nearfield in a small room with a small tube amp and a subwoofer, due to the series crossover and the all around better graphs. I will probably move soon and the Criterion is on my sights!

Val

randytsuch · « **Reply #79 on:** 9 May 2003, 12:09 am »

Quote from: Sotantar

Audiojerry; What I meant by the punch thing was, at "normal volumes", there is not as much punch in the Druid's as there is in the Proac's. The Druids have the same sound at any level basically.

As far as getting together and listening. I would rather NOT move the Druids because they are kind of long and the whole glossy paint thing.

It would be fine if you could bring your associated gear that you are familiar with and the 626's would be great as well, as they are relatively easy to move around.

I live in the Park Labrea Complex, Fairfax district.

Hey, can I come too? Would like to hear what somebody else's system sounds like, for grins. Of course, I called up John a few months ago, about listening to his RM40's, and still have not made it over there. Of course, my excuse now is I want to wait for the 626's to break in

Randy