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« Reply #20 on: 8 Dec 2005, 11:40 pm »
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From the enthusiasm I'm seeing, it looks like there will be a fair number of buyers purchasing on faith. It may turn out to be a great sounding dac, but without actually trying it, with no track record of performance,  and no knowledge of the producer? Too much of  leap of faith for me. A couple hundred bucks or a few hundred bucks still represents more than chump change for me.

I would however consider a group buy. By that I mean a bunch of us kick in  $25 - $50 each to buy one, then we each try the dac ...


I would be interested in the group try.

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« Reply #21 on: 8 Dec 2005, 11:42 pm »
I'd like to be on the list....

If I had my druthers, I'd like it to be USB capable and have the Sonicap upgrade kit installed.

It's not a deal breaker, if those can't be done.

I would be happy to wait until it can be done though, if you would pass one around at that time.

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« Reply #22 on: 8 Dec 2005, 11:42 pm »
Danny,
  What is the warranty and return policy on these DAC? Thanks!

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« Reply #23 on: 8 Dec 2005, 11:57 pm »
I agree with Marbles.  I'd go for one with USB and standard inputs with a cap upgrade.

I might buy now if it was possible to easily upgrade it to USB later.

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« Reply #24 on: 9 Dec 2005, 04:10 am »
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1. Will a digital AES/EBU input be available?


Not that I know of.

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2. Will XLR outputs be available?


They can easily be added, but not sure yet if I can get them sent that way from the get go or if it will be extra.

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3. Will both 1 and 2 be available together?


One of the best thing about these is all the things that can be done with them and how far they can be taken with different mods.

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Can the units be shipped to australia with 230 voltage?


They are available in 115 and 230 Volt.  :mrgreen:

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If I had my druthers, I'd like it to be USB capable


They are working on it Marbles and I am sure it will came with an additional cost.

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What is the warranty and return policy on these DAC?


Checking on that. All parts are readily available and these units are easy to work on. No worries from me from what I can see, but will find out more.

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« Reply #25 on: 9 Dec 2005, 01:24 pm »
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If I had my druthers, I'd like it to be USB capable and have the Sonicap upgrade kit installed

I think it would difficult for everyone to agree on which model to group buy. I'm wondering if we agreed on a standard model without any mods,
it would still give us a barometer of how good the other models would be, with or without any mods. If we really like the sample, then I'm sure many of us would opt to get the version of our choice.  

Personally, I'd like to try the DAC-72 at $395 or the DAC-60 at $470.  :)

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« Reply #26 on: 9 Dec 2005, 01:37 pm »
I have another idea
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Instead of a group purchase, what if Danny agreed to accept an audition fee from folks wanting to get on an audition list. Say $25 each.
    If we got 10 guys, that would be $250 going directly to Danny.
    If we got 20 guys, that would be 500 smackers. That would more than cover the the cost of the highest model.
    On top of that, Danny would still own it once the auditions are done!
    Each person on the list would be responsible for shipping to the next at their expense, which would be minimal. The last person on the list ships it back to Danny.
    Each person gets to use it for a week or so.[/list:u]
    Good idea or dumb? :?:  :?:
    Danny, this would require your thoughts, of course.

    The other option is to order Lonewolf to buy one, and he would loan it out to everyone anyways  :P

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« Reply #27 on: 9 Dec 2005, 01:42 pm »
audiojerry :
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    The other option is to order Lonewolf to buy one, and he would loan it out to everyone anyways ... :lol:
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      Buy one....I've got four dac's already :? ....but I'd like to try one out....prices are very good. :D [/list:u]

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    « Reply #28 on: 9 Dec 2005, 02:11 pm »
    A word of advice, if you're interested.
    I'm sure a lot of guys are interested in trying a dedicated dac via a connection to their cdp. I can't speak for others' experiences, and I don't want to discourage anyone, but the quality of the cdp will make a significant difference on the performance of any dac.

    My personal experience:
    Earlier on in my audiophile life, I owned a very well built Rotel cdp. It was good, but there was room for improvement. I tried to upgrade the sound using the digital output of the cdp with a dedicated dac. I couldn't hear any difference. So I thought the problem was the dac, so I asked the dealer if I could try his top of the line dac, a Lamda of some sort that sold for around $6k in '96. I still didn't hear any difference. I was becoming skeptical.

    My dealer suggested that the reason for not hearing any difference was my cdp, not the dac. So we experimented at the dealership with a dedicated transport (and higher priced) using both dacs that I auditioned. With the dedicated transport, the difference in dacs was readily apparent.

    Recently I owned a Classe cdp, which listed for around $2k. It sounded good on it's own, but even better when I used it as a transport feeding my Modwright P-3A. When I replaced the cdp with a Classe transport, the level of improvement was definitely worthwhile.

    The moral of the story is that dacs can make a difference, but only if the source component is up to the task. The better the source component, the bigger difference it will make. For me, I know that a dedicated transport definitely makes a difference.

    Then you must also add to the mix the effects of the digital cable. In my case my digital cable would be about the same price as the DAC-72.

    Then there's the issue of a quality power cord, which probably makes the biggest difference with digital components. I've got mine plugged into power cord filter, which itself is plugged into it's own isolation transformer.

    Combined, I think all these things help to hear differences in the quality of any component in the digital chain.                  

    In the world of high-end audio, I still think that digital playback is the weakest link. I've been pleased with the progress that has been made recently in the quality of dac's, and it's exciting to learn if the next creation will elevate our listening experience even further.

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    « Reply #29 on: 9 Dec 2005, 02:16 pm »
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    Let's see....... 20 times 1 week each not counting shipping time  = 5 months. I don't think so.

     :nono: patience is a virtue  :D

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    « Reply #30 on: 9 Dec 2005, 03:20 pm »
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    What is the warranty and return policy on these DAC? Thanks!


    There is a one year warranty for the parts and labor but not include the
    damage of case and all shipping charge, and there is no return policy.

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    Can the units be shipped to australia with 230 voltage?


    Shipping cost to Australia is a little less than shipping to the US. Ten dollars less for you.  :D

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    « Reply #31 on: 9 Dec 2005, 06:08 pm »
    I've been considering a DAC for awhile and these certainly get added to the list. Audiojerry's post about the relative improvements a DAC can bring to a given system echoes my own questions and concerns. For all I know my cdp is not a particulary good transport though I do seem to recall some posts suggesting otherwise. Does anyone have any experience with a Sony DVP-S9000ES as transport? Also, I've replaced my tube pre with a passive and while overall I think it has been a good move I miss that tube sound...a tubed DAC might be just the thing. ANy thoughts?

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    « Reply #32 on: 9 Dec 2005, 06:26 pm »
    I have a Lite Dac-ah, stock form, definitely a fine sounding dac.

    but just recently I got a "Zhalou 1.3 dac" also from china, fully modified (the distributer offers this as an option) upgrades the power supply, clock, and opamp to a dy2000 chip (awesome opamp).  for $420 shipped to your door 2 days from china.  let me just say... it will blow your socks off.  

    check out head-fi

    do some searches for "lite dac" and "zhalou"


    the lite dac-ah is definitely an awesome performer.! nice to see these chinese dacs getting some recognition from a good dealer here in the US!!!


    I will be posting full reviews and comparisons of the lite dac ah and zhalou soon on head-fi.org in the dedicated source section of the forums as well.


    chinese dacs own!!

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    « Reply #33 on: 9 Dec 2005, 07:01 pm »
    The DAC-AH is a great sounding unit. I favored it slightly over my Ack dAck except for the lower noise floor of the battery powered Ack.  For the price it is a steal.

    The DAC-72 was better still. The DAC-60 was even better again. Then after some mods from Sonic Craft, it became outstanding!

    I never heard of the Zhalou but it is up there in cost with a DAC-60.

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    « Reply #34 on: 9 Dec 2005, 07:18 pm »
    I look forward to hearing the lite dac-60, now its that much easier to order with a US dealer...!

    Once you go Chinese DAC you never go Back!!

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    « Reply #35 on: 9 Dec 2005, 07:59 pm »
    Danny, did we hear the DAC60 stock or was that modified?

    With regards to the transport impact I was wanting to use a PC and have been thinking of these configs from good to better:

    a) usb to DAC - I assume this would sound better than Revo sound card w/ASIO to DAC using SPDIF.

    b) If I want to use SOCS for my Ref 3's then I assume I would have to go SPDIF to p1a and spdif to DAC which would require using a soundcard or TRANSIT USB box.  

    c) I assume the $1k EA Offramp (modified Transit) would be an outstanding combo with a high-end DAC and p1a.

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    « Reply #36 on: 9 Dec 2005, 09:27 pm »
    The DAC-AH looks interesting, looks like a fun one to mod.  I have seen a bit of the buzz about it over on head-fi.  Do you know what the power supply is giving to the board?  It seems like yanking the PS and doing a fancy external one might be another interesting mod.

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    « Reply #37 on: 9 Dec 2005, 11:12 pm »
    Quote from: tigzstudio
    I have a Lite Dac-ah, stock form, definitely a fine sounding dac.

    but just recently I got a "Zhalou 1.3 dac" also from china, fully modified (the distributer offers this as an option) upgrades the power supply, clock, and opamp to a dy2000 chip (awesome opamp).  for $420 shipped to your door 2 days from china.  let me just say... it will blow your socks off.  

    check out head-fi

    do some searches for "lite dac" and "zhalou"


    the lite dac-ah is definitely an awesome performer.! nice to see these ...


    Is there a distributor who can take orders in English?  

    It's interesting that Zalou DAC version 1.1 used AKM 4393 DAC chip, then the new 1.3 version uses AD 1852 DAC chip.  I would have been more likely to order 1.3 if it used the newest and greatest AKM 4396 chipset, which is supposed to be Bee's knees...

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    « Reply #38 on: 10 Dec 2005, 12:00 am »
    $470 for the Dac-60 does that include the sonic craft mods, if not what is the price of the Dac-60  with the mods? Danny can you be a little more specific on the sonic qualities brought by the sonic craft mods.

    Tks Ray

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    « Reply #39 on: 10 Dec 2005, 12:49 am »
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    Is there a distributor who can take orders in English?  

    It's interesting that Zalou DAC version 1.1 used AKM 4393 DAC chip, then the new 1.3 version uses AD 1852 DAC chip.  I would have been more likely to order 1.3 if it used the newest and greatest AKM 4396 chipset, which is supposed to be Bee's knees...


    do you have a link to the specs for the 1.1 version?


    All i know is what i am hearing is amazing,  mind you, mine has all mods done to it...i have not heard the stock 1.3.

    imo,
    Its not always just the chip that matters tho, its the combination, quality of parts/build, and implementation.
    however, I have not heard the AKM chip integrated in any dac...

    do you know of any other dacs that have this chip?? you have me wanting to compare now,  because i cant imagine something sounding a whole lot bettter then this....

    maybe i can try and get a 1.1 version fully moded then.... hmmm....

    heh

    whats cool is its really easy to swap out opamps on the zhalou 1.3 too.





    Danny,...

    do you know which chip the dac-60 uses?
    do they use any AKM?