Audiophile grade wall outlets and bybee purifiers??

Redbeard · « **Reply #20 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 12:45 am »

Hi to all,

I just visited the Bybee website (http://www.bybeetech.com/). The only information given about the composition of these things is zirconium (any of you guys given a cubic zirconium ring to your wife latley?) and neodymium.

Neodymium implies super magnet, as in the positioner motor in a disk drive. Has anyone checked to see if these things to see if they are highly magnetic?

They claim they have no inductance, which if true, rules out the obvious answer. Has anyone actually verified that with a lab grade lrc meater?

Is there any reason to believe that these things are anything other than a tarted up choke?

Hantra · « **Reply #21 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 12:54 am »

Hmmm. .

Hey Red, can you post that again?

I don't think it came through right. .

Unless you meant to say I'M A TROLL! in giant crayon font. . .

hmm. . ?

nathanm · « **Reply #22 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 01:46 am »

Yeah Redbeard, how dare you ask questions! You've got some nerve! You should be ashamed of yourself. Please stick to head nodding and agreement only thank you very much.

Hantra · « **Reply #23 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 01:57 am »

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Please stick to head nodding and agreement only thank you very much.

There were NO questions in his original post. . .

Take note that Red's original post was HEAVILY edited almost an hour after my post. His original post was serious trolling. One sarcastic line which includes insults to anyone who uses Bybees, followed by 50+ "lol's" is trolling in my book.

I am the master of questioning. Trolling is a different matter Nathan. . .

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nathanm · « **Reply #24 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 02:49 am »

Well, that may be a different matter then. I didn't see any of the older versions. That's what the Preview button is for of course.

Type, Preview, Type, Preview, Submit

NOT

Type, Submit, Edit!

Pez · « **Reply #25 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 03:58 am »

Quite honestly to answer redbeards question or troll or whatever it was. Who gives a shit what it is or what you think it is. I cannot deny the difference I heard in comparison to a stand alone cable with no bybee. It was a completely different beast. I guess if you're a guy like me and even something as simple as crossover design is over your head you tend to listen with your ears and not with your beliefs.

Redbeard · « **Reply #26 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 04:51 am »

Hantra is right, my original post was highly sarcastic, although it was not specifically aimed at him. Hopefully the re-write is a little more constructive.

I don't dispute your claims that Bybees affect the sound, but I am curious enough to ask why. The obvious answer is that they are chokes.

In the AC line, they filter out HF noise. That is a good thing. The bad thing is that the power supplies in your components aren't doing this for themselves. This is understandable since no one pays any attention to this aspect of audio components, and the manufacturers can save a few bucks by cutting corners here.

In interconnects they also filter out HF. This is why people say they lower the noise floor. Unfortunately, they are not selective about when they reduce HF. They reduce it, period. I would venture a guess that they have been carefully engineered to introduce a subtle, barely perceptible reduction in the HF in the line level signal.

I really applaud the engineers at Bybee Technologies. They have done an excellent job of re-direction. They are selling chokes that aren't chokes. They have put together a product description full of adjectives that give audiophiles woodies. They are selling products using top secret submarine technology that apparently no one else on the planet has access to. In reality, this is just a group of engineers that are having some chokes fabricated to their specifications, and are taking advantage of the gullibility of the audiophile community. Right-on Bybee Technologies!!!

Redbeard · « **Reply #27 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 05:41 am »

That may not have been a very constructive post either.

I guess Bybee provides products that serve their purpose. As long as people don't question why they get the results they do, they won't realize they could accomplish the same thing at a fraction the cost. This is where the re-direction and hype are vital to companies like Bybee. More power to them.

nathanm · « **Reply #28 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 06:33 am »

Quote from: redbeard

As long as people don't question why they get the results they do, they won't realize they could accomplish the same thing at a fraction the cost.

Wha!? Huh!? NOT spend money!? Blasphemy! Ban this naughty person at once! We shall have none of this ludicrous kind of thinking! Guards, seize him!

Amen my brother. You don't sound like a troll to me. Or if you ARE you are a good troll. You know, like that friendly one in Norway everyone gets their picture taken with. Or maybe the ones with pink fuzzy hair that you can stick on a pencil. Just a guess.

Are there bridges in Fremont, CA?

Hantra · « **Reply #29 on:** 25 Apr 2003, 11:59 am »

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I guess Bybee provides products that serve their purpose. As long as people don't question why they get the results they do, they won't realize they could accomplish the same thing at a fraction the cost.

Red:

I would love to know how they work. I wouldn't mind seeing some measurements. No one seems to be willing to do that, and I can't say I blame them. Someone else who has similar tactics is NBS. In other words, if you make something so outrageously expensive, WHO in their right mind is going to buy them JUST to measure them, or cut open a $5000 power cord to "check it out".

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satfrat · « **Reply #30 on:** 26 Apr 2003, 06:01 pm »

I`d like to throw my hat in the ring as being one who`s interested in Wayne from Bolder Cable`s suggestion to build Bybee speaker filters. There`s no way I`m tearing into my speakers or sending them out for modification so this is the only way I`ll have to install Bybee`s to them. I would want 5 filters for my 5.1 home theater system. I have emailed Wayne so he knows of my wishes but I thought I`d post so`s to hopefully garner enough interest to encourage Wayne to undertake this project. I`ve already witnessed the Bybee affect firsthand as I own a BPT BP2.5 with 2 Bybee`s and love what they`ve done to increase to depth of my speakers. If Bybee`s will have that type of positive affect at the power source, what would they be like at the speakers? Inquiring minds want to know! Regards, Robin

Wayne1 · « **Reply #31 on:** 26 Apr 2003, 06:43 pm »

Thanks for the "nudge", Robin.

I have just placed an order for some more Bybees to experiment with speaker cable and interconnect add ons. The DAM will get together at some point to take a listen to see how big a difference these might make.

bubba966 · « **Reply #32 on:** 26 Apr 2003, 07:06 pm »

Wayne,

Would it be possible to put Bybees in your existing speaker cables?

I'd be serioulsy interested in M-80 speaker cables w/Bybees (Cryo'd, of course).

I also fall into the "does not want to void warranty on speaks" group. But I also don't have speaker cable that I'm planning on keeping.

So it would be a better option for me to get them built into the cable when I get new cables.

Wayne1 · « **Reply #33 on:** 26 Apr 2003, 07:29 pm »

Bubba,

Yes it is possible to build a Bybee into either the NITRO or M-80 speaker cable. That is one of those projsects I have been meaning to try but never got around to.

Once I get the next shipment of Bybees in I will try thrm out on speaker cables.

satfrat · « **Reply #34 on:** 26 Apr 2003, 08:29 pm »

As a point of interest Wayne, another dealer of the Bybee purifiers ( www.audionut.com at A`gon) has offered them wrapped in Stillpoints ERS cloth for EMI/RFI protection. Look at http//cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?accstwek&1056384572 Have you heard of this and what are your thoughts on this tweak? Regards, Robin

Psychicanimal · « **Reply #35 on:** 29 Apr 2003, 12:04 am »

My Modwright Swans have four Bybees installed at the driver terminals. They work very well...

I have an ACME silver plated cryo outlet. It is the single most cost effective measure I have seen. I have purchased a few PS Audio Power Port receptacles and plan to send them to cryo treatment this week. Cryo treatment is extremely effective for power products.

Wayne1 · « **Reply #36 on:** 29 Apr 2003, 02:52 am »

Robin,

I just today received an e-mail from Jack Bybee. He is now only producing the Purifiers wrapped in the ERS and Cryo-Treated.

The cost of the purifiers has now gone up with these additions. I did have some on order but now I have to send him some more money for the new design Purifiers.

I will post my impressions when I receive the new Purifiers.

satfrat · « **Reply #37 on:** 29 Apr 2003, 03:39 am »

Damn Wayne, wish I could have had those upgraded Bybee`s in my BPT conditioner. Bet that ERS cover would of done some good with those Bybee`s setting right next to that 2.5k Plitron transformer. LOL Not that I`m complaining with what I have, don`t ya`know. I`m really looking forward to your impressions on the Bybee speaker filters and if in your opinion their worth the expense of adding them. In the archives of past opinions, I`ve heard both positive and negative as they seem to be system sensitive. I`m glad to hear Psychicanimal likes them, his psychic instinct and animal intensity is usually right on! Regards, Robin

audiojerry · « **Reply #38 on:** 29 Apr 2003, 05:46 pm »

Quote from: Psychicanimal

My Modwright Swans have four Bybees installed at the driver terminals. They work very well...

Do you have 4 Bybee's for each speaker or a pair of Bybee's in each?

randytsuch · « **Reply #39 on:** 29 Apr 2003, 06:54 pm »

Robin,
Why don't you buy some ERS, and wrap the bybees yourself?
Here's their website, http://www.stillpoints.us/

Randy