Groneberg TS premium speaker cables

byteme · « **Reply #20 on:** 24 Oct 2005, 04:43 pm »

James,

I wouldn't worry too much about them coming loose from their solder. I, too, prefer the spades for the speaker end and banana's for the amp end. The only thing with the banana's for me is depending on how the cable lies they can move in and out of the binding post when you're getting everything set. However, the bayonnets are adjustable width and will hold tight as long as you're not walking over the cable all the time or moving it around a lot. If you are (and why would you be?) then just check to make sure they're in all the way once you're finished dicking around.

pugs · « **Reply #21 on:** 24 Oct 2005, 05:52 pm »

Quote from: byteme

James,

I wouldn't worry too much about them coming loose from their solder. I, too, prefer the spades for the speaker end and banana's for the amp end. The only thing with the banana's for me is depending on how the cable lies they can move in and out of the binding post when you're getting everything set. However, the bayonnets are adjustable width and will hold tight as long as you're not walking over the cable all the time or moving it around a lot. If you are (and why would you be?) then just check to make sure they're in all the way once you're finished dicking around.

How are the banana plugs adjustable? Do you just spread them open a little to make them tighter? I have problems with my speaker cables coming out of the speaker binding posts. I have the topline WBTs on my mono extremes now, so I don't have any issues with the cables coming loose on the amp end.

jkm · « **Reply #22 on:** 24 Oct 2005, 10:20 pm »

I've decided not to order the Premium speaker cables just yet. My Quatros are bi-wired and if I buy the Loreleis next year (maybe) I'll have to order non bi-wired Premiums at that time. However, one of the banana plugs did come off just yesterday which I was able to reattach without solder for now. Think I'll go with spades next time.

I have ordered Premium ICs though with extra casings. I may currently have RF interference from my cables which may be causing the pops and clicks mentioned in my other post, so I want the extra protection.

My two pair of 3' Quatro ICs are now for sale and Klaus said he would check them out if anyone wants to buy them.

James

bunky · « **Reply #23 on:** 24 Oct 2005, 11:33 pm »

Quote from: James K-M

I've decided not to order the Premium speaker cables just yet. My Quatros are bi-wired and if I buy the Loreleis next year (maybe) I'll have to order non bi-wired Premiums at that time. However, one of the banana plugs did come off just yesterday which I was able to reattach without solder for now. Think I'll go with spades next time.

I have ordered Premium ICs though with extra casings. I may currently have RF interference from my cables which may be causing the pops and clicks mentioned in my other pos ...

yeah James, i was running Quatros in a biwire configuration as well. dbjnh,byteme,and myself all have the TS premium ic,s. byteme has the TS speaker cables and likes them alot. i talked to Klaus this evening and he is finishing my speaker cables tonight so maybe i will get them on thursday.i hope so. thanks....WCW III

byteme · « **Reply #24 on:** 25 Oct 2005, 01:47 pm »

Quote from: pugs

How are the banana plugs adjustable? Do you just spread them open a little to make them tighter?

Yup, that's how you can "adjust" them a bit. Either open a touch or make them a bit smaller.

jkm · « **Reply #25 on:** 25 Oct 2005, 10:10 pm »

Bunky, dbjnh or byteme,

Did you upgrade your Premium ICs from the Quatros? If so, how much improvement did you notice?

James

bunky · « **Reply #26 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 09:09 pm »

Quote from: James K-M

Bunky, dbjnh or byteme,

Did you upgrade your Premium ICs from the Quatros? If so, how much improvement did you notice?

James

i did and the difference was immediate and dramatic and when i posted my impressions byteme said that it reafirmed his first impressions as well.thanks....WCW III

bunky · « **Reply #27 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 09:32 pm »

i just came home and my 10' pair of TS premium speaker cables were sitting on my doorstep. i hooked these babys up and just like with the TS premium ic cables it was an immediate bigtime improvement in sound quality over the Quatros. and even my ten year old daughter Courtney who loves both Klaus and our two channel rig and is allowed full use and access to said sound system says that she can tell the difference also. man if you guys could only hear how good my system sounds now! all i can think of to say right now is WOW !thank you once again Klaus. i guess now i can focus my attention on the MK II factory 24 bit upgrades to my Vibrato cd player.thanks....WCW III

byteme · « **Reply #28 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 09:34 pm »

Quote from: bunky

i just came home and my 10' pair of TS premium speaker cables were sitting on my doorstep. i hooked these babys up and just like with the TS premium ic cables it was an immediate bigtime improvement in sound quality over the Quatros. and even my ten year old daughter Courtney who loves both Klaus and our two channel rig and is allowed full use and access to said sound system says that she can tell the difference also. man if you guys could only hear how good my system sounds now! all i can think of to say ...

Glad to hear it! Now go listen and quite rubbing it in that you've got a Symphonic CD player...

byteme · « **Reply #29 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 09:41 pm »

Quote from: James K-M

Bunky, dbjnh or byteme,

Did you upgrade your Premium ICs from the Quatros? If so, how much improvement did you notice?

James

The only quattro cables I've ever had were an 8' pair used to bi-wire my center channel. I upgraded my IC's from various highly touted "bang for your buck" brands (Zcable, Zu, JPS, DH Labs, etc.) and have never considered another IC.

bunky · « **Reply #30 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 09:51 pm »

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Glad to hear it! Now go listen and quite rubbing it in that you've got a Symphonic CD player...

was i rubbing it in ? its an ok player i guess. i may just get the new Reference clock

module while it is in the shop getting the MK II mods. thanks buddy....WCW III

Sonny · « **Reply #31 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 10:24 pm »

bunky, do you have pictures of the ts cables?
Klaus sent me some ts i/c raw cables, but they look exactly like the gronebergs, and to be honest, since I terminated the gronebergs myself and i terminated the ts too, they are really the same in everyway. that's if klaus sent me the new ts premium last week.
sonny

bunky · « **Reply #32 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 10:43 pm »

Quote from: Sonny

bunky, do you have pictures of the ts cables?
Klaus sent me some ts i/c raw cables, but they look exactly like the gronebergs, and to be honest, since I terminated the gronebergs myself and i terminated the ts too, they are really the same in everyway. that's if klaus sent me the new ts premium last week.
sonny

Hey Sonny,i dont have a digital camera but pictures of the TS premiums are shown on the Groneberg website. the TS premiums have a medium metallic blue colored plastic sheath covering a spiral wound metal outer shell and are very substancial as far as construction goes and they also have TS premium printed on the outside of them as well. thanks....WCW III

byteme · « **Reply #33 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 10:43 pm »

TS cables should have the blue "metal" jacket on them. You can seet them here - http://www.groneberg.com/premium/premium.html

byteme · « **Reply #34 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 10:44 pm »

Quote from: bunky

Quote from: byteme
Glad to hear it! Now go listen and quite rubbing it in that you've got a Symphonic CD player...
was i rubbing it in ? its an ok player i guess. i may just get the new Reference clock module while it is in the shop getting the MK II mods. thanks buddy....WCW III

You SHOULD be rubbing it in...doesn't mean I like it though!

Sonny · « **Reply #35 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 10:52 pm »

Quote from: byteme

TS cables should have the blue "metal" jacket on them. You can seet them here - http://www.groneberg.com/premium/premium.html

I thought so, but Klaus told me that mine will not have the jacket (the blue metal like cover), however, I can tell you that on the cables itself it has a very very faded scripture of TS Premium...but as I mentioned to you in the previous, the wires, symetry and all is just like the groneberg quattros...

S

bunky · « **Reply #36 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 11:01 pm »

Quote from: Sonny

Quote from: byteme
TS cables should have the blue "metal" jacket on them. You can seet them here - http://www.groneberg.com/premium/premium.html

I thought so, but Klaus told me that mine will not have the jacket (the blue metal like cover), however, I can tell you that on the cables itself it has a very very faded scripture of TS Premium...but as I mentioned to you in the previous, the wires, symetry and all is just like the groneberg quattros...

S

the TS premiums are a much improved wire that is an offshoot of the Quatro reference design project or at least that is what i read somewhere. i think i translated it from the Groneberg website.thanks....WCW III

Sonny · « **Reply #37 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 11:04 pm »

Quote from: bunky

the TS premiums are a much improved wire that is an offshoot of the Quatro reference design project or at least that is what i read somewhere. i think i translated it from the Groneberg website.thanks....WCW III

Well, maybe Groneberg pulled a good one on us in regards to dressing the cables...but having taken them apart and terminating them...I can tell you, they are the same...

bunky · « **Reply #38 on:** 2 Nov 2005, 11:19 pm »

Quote from: Sonny

Quote from: bunky
the TS premiums are a much improved wire that is an offshoot of the Quatro reference design project or at least that is what i read somewhere. i think i translated it from the Groneberg website.thanks....WCW III

Well, maybe Groneberg pulled a good one on us in regards to dressing the cables...but having taken them apart and terminating them...I can tell you, they are the same...

i know that they both have a quad geometry but the wire does not have the same metalugical makeup and they surely dont even sound remotely close to each other, at least not with my particular gear in my system. thanks....WCW III

bunky · « **Reply #39 on:** 4 Nov 2005, 09:34 pm »

Oh"my God , these TS premium speaker cables surely do bring out the very best that my system has to offer. and with the loudspeaker and ic TS premiums all the way around, my cable search has definately come to an end.again thanks Klaus!....WCW III